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55 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Some people never learn. How's the supply of 3 D printed ventilators coming along ?

You are case and point, Tyrone.

Thankfully many people in the engineering and manufacturing world are pulling their weight. 

Vauxhall and Airbus are printing 3D parts for Penlon as we speak. Round the clock too I hear. A couple of specialised ventilation manufacturers in the UK are now working around the clock and the parts that are being 3D printed by various other companies are coming in very handy. I'm fairly certain JLR is going to do what it can in the coming days judging by little tidbits I've heard from pals working there.

In Brum we've seen a lot of factory closures which has unfortunately hit a lot of my school mates. Some factories simply not geared for it - ZF, for example, only really do gear boxes and suspensions. However, even factories that can't necessarily produce the parts have offered factory floor space so companies with that expertise can maximise output.

Even seen the likes of Dior switch to making hand wash!

You may laugh and ridicule but whilst the likes of yourself and the rest are doing nowt but browsing the net and looking for a political point to score the majority of the country are taking their hands out of their pockets and doing everything they can to help the global effort. You stick to counting your 150 designer polos and being the self-proclaimed champagne socialist of the internet though!

Edited by Dreams of 1995

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If you blithely think that it's going to be business as usual for the Tories and their cronies when this is all over you are really deluded. This will be a politic earhquake of a similar magnitude to the last 2 world wars. Things will change and for the better. The denigration of the collective spirit and the social movements that previously existed will be revealed as a massive error of judgement. People will look at the large amounts of money being spent and ask " Why have we been forced into all the cuts when money can be found so easily ". This is all got to be paid for and if this lot think for one minute that more austerity is the answer for a second time they better think again. The load will have to be shared more fairly in the future and that means the rich paying their fair share for once. I'll pay more tax, no problem, but the fat cats better be paying more also.

I was reading the other day about Ernie Bevin speaking to the troops on the eve of D-Day. One of the audience asked him at the end of his speech " When we've gone over and sorted this job out Ernie we won't be coming home to go back on the dole ! ".

I'm retired now so my contributions can only be limited unfortunately but when you've got a box full of ventilator parts off your rapid prototyping pals feel free to bring them around to my house and I'll build one for you on my kitchen table. Once an engineer, always an engineer.

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Why lying in Politics is harmful.

Lies - we believe you

More lies - hmm, not sure.

But you’re our guy so OK

More lies - er, that first one turned out to be a lie

More lies - you’re a liar

Very Important True Advice - It’s probably all bollocks.

We’re off to mob a Tesco’s

 

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There was a leaked list of Starmers staff going around on Twitter today. Sensible candidates - Corbyn and Milne gone, Nandy and RLB have roles but not major and the remainder filled with Centre-Left staff. 
 

It looked promising and with any luck it happens. Starmer would be credible opposition and by the sounds of it would attract swing voters back to Labour. 
 

Coincidentally there were a lot of tweets from people saying they’d abandon the Labour Party if this happened and move to another socialist party, claiming Starmer would bring the country to a USA styled political system. Don’t quite know where that comes from but the profiles genuinely tended to share / follow the same theme as some I saw that tweeted joy at BJ getting Covid-19. I don’t doubt labour members are happy to see the back of them. 

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Apparently, the Loony Labour Leadership have discussed announcing Corbyn is staying on and blaming the virus, just to stop Starmer winning.

Labour party about to self combust.

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17 minutes ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

Apparently, the Loony Labour Leadership have discussed announcing Corbyn is staying on and blaming the virus, just to stop Starmer winning.

Labour party about to self combust.

Source?

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1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

Who did you vote for Jim? 

Yes come on Jim.

Please tell who you voted for in the leadership contest.

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3 hours ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

Where does it say, to quote you:

Apparently, the Loony Labour Leadership have discussed announcing Corbyn is staying on and blaming the virus, just to stop Starmer winning.

 

This is not Sunday Times language

Still awaiting the exact quote and source of this

 

Edited by jim mk2

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1 hour ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

Apparently, the Loony Labour Leadership have discussed announcing Corbyn is staying on and blaming the virus, just to stop Starmer winning.

Labour party about to self combust.

They wouldn’t dare. 
The ugly side of Labour is gone from Saturday should KS win. Good riddance too.

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36 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

 Where does it say, to quote you:

Apparently, the Loony Labour Leadership have discussed announcing Corbyn is staying on and blaming the virus, just to stop Starmer winning.

Who did you vote for in Labour leadership contest? Or haven't you not voting since Corbyn is leaving his post after losing back to back elections. 

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4 hours ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

Where does it say, to quote you:

Apparently, the Loony Labour Leadership have discussed announcing Corbyn is staying on and blaming the virus, just to stop Starmer winning.

This is not Sunday Times language. Still awaiting the exact source of the above

 

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Chamberlain wasn't removed by the electorate in the last war. He was removed by the people who actually knew the war was going more badly than was being revealed. Look behind you Johnson.

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5 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Here is the latest opinion poll. Poll was taken between the 26th and 28th March

 

We'll have to run that again in 3 months Chaddy. Ultimately I do think that the virus is a death sentence for the re-election chances of whichever Government is in power in any particular Country. In the long run I think most people will think their leaders either acted far too excessively or nowhere near quickly or stringently enough

All the opposition parties in the various countries have to do is keep their heads down say nothing and pretend they're de-politicising the issue in the National Interest (which is what they're doing) and then of course when this is over whether or not hindsight concludes there was a massive over-reaction or tough enough measures weren't taken the opposing parties will steam in and criticise their Governments handling of it even though they said nothing and went along with it at the time.

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38 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

We'll have to run that again in 3 months Chaddy. Ultimately I do think that the virus is a death sentence for the re-election chances of whichever Government is in power in any particular Country. In the long run I think most people will think their leaders either acted far too excessively or nowhere near quickly or stringently enough

All the opposition parties in the various countries have to do is keep their heads down say nothing and pretend they're de-politicising the issue in the National Interest (which is what they're doing) and then of course when this is over whether or not hindsight concludes there was a massive over-reaction or tough enough measures weren't taken the opposing parties will steam in and criticise their Governments handling of it even though they said nothing and went along with it at the time.

I think it will be lose lose situation for the Labour Party as they cannot criticise the government as many MP's from all sides have worked together in the national interest and not played party politics like some on here

Government have followed the medical and scientist officers advice. People see this during the interviews and press conferences. 

PM Johnson has been straight, honest and openness about the country fight against the Coronavirus and that's he might have to get tougher with restrictions. Also people were saying this when he took over as PM about Brexit and the election. Lets not forget he and the Conservatives delivered Labour WORST election result since 1935

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I think people were naffed off that the result of the Brexit referendum and the will of the British people and the rule of democracy was being largely ignored by the majority of politicians. Almost like the vote never happened. (As was I)

That ludicrous woman Jo Swinson who ran her campaign on the basis of taking us back into Europe lost her seat which I can never remember happening to the leader of a major party.

Only time will tell the effect on Boris and the Tories of this. Will he be remembered as a hero or the PM who imprisoned us all in our homes, crashed the economy and ruined countless people's livelihoods and lumbered subsequent generations with mountains of debt over a relatively mild virus?

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2 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I think people were naffed off that the result of the Brexit referendum and the will of the British people and the rule of democracy was being largely ignored by the majority of politicians. Almost like the vote never happened. (As was I)

That ludicrous woman Jo Swinson who ran her campaign on the basis of taking us back into Europe lost her seat which I can never remember happening to the leader of a major party.

Only time will tell the effect on Boris and the Tories of this. Will he be remembered as a hero or the PM who imprisoned us all in our homes, crashed the economy and ruined countless people's livelihoods and lumbered subsequent generations with mountains of debt over a relatively mild virus?

Most likely the latter. I suspect there'll come a time were the economy will tip beyond the point of no return if this policy is sustained for more than a couple of months. Could be less, every day we see companies folding that will never open their doors again. We seem to be either unable or unwilling to follow the example of those countries who appear to have a handle on the problem. That means at some time in the near future we'll have to expect  working people to return to work whilst the virus is still circulating. This will go hand in hand with maintaining the very severe lock down on the older elements of the population.

The government will be rightly blamed for a state of affairs were we find ourselves with the economy in a deep decline, the virus still at large, and thousands of older Tory voters biting the carpet at being confined to their homes for month after month when they are in the twilight of their lives.

Edited by Tyrone Shoelaces

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An economy in recession, the huge bill for the Tory magic money tree, which will be have to be repaid (most likely ordinary working folk via another bout of austerity), and Johnson's poor handling of the outbreak will all weigh on voters' minds even 4 years form now. 

Add in the Tory commitment to the Red Wall seats will have to be binned because there's no money left on the magic tree and it's easy to see the Tories heading for a big defeat. 

The Tory press will try to shift the blame for all this away from the party for all their policy mis-steps but people won't be so easily fooled next time.

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Even when Johnson got his 80 seat majority I felt there is a high probability this Government will not see out its 5 years.

The Cabinet is pretty well exclusively totally inept.

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3 hours ago, philipl said:

Even when Johnson got his 80 seat majority I felt there is a high probability this Government will not see out its 5 years.

The Cabinet is pretty well exclusively totally inept.

give it a rest Philipl. You were saying in the last election that Boris Johnson wouldn't get a majority and look what happen. He walked it. 

What happened to Jo Swinson? did she really think she could PM? oh yes she couldn't even win her own seat. 

Keep living in fantasy land Philipl

7 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

An economy in recession, the huge bill for the Tory magic money tree, which will be have to be repaid (most likely ordinary working folk via another bout of austerity), and Johnson's poor handling of the outbreak will all weigh on voters' minds even 4 years form now. 

Add in the Tory commitment to the Red Wall seats will have to be binned because there's no money left on the magic tree and it's easy to see the Tories heading for a big defeat. 

The Tory press will try to shift the blame for all this away from the party for all their policy mis-steps but people won't be so easily fooled next time.

Voters will remember that the government paid 80% of their wages, 3 month mortgage holiday, and other policies. 

Can Starmer deliver a Labour win? what are his policies that can win the centre ground and moderate votes? Don't forget people rejected Labour policies for the last 4 elections. Even Labour supporters think Johnson has done a good job so far

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