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9 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Must be the first known case of a politician being criticised for telling the truth. Tragic for the family of course but no fault of the British government.

Johnson has form on this. Failed to get the ratcliffe woman out of an Iranian jail and now he’s bowing to agent orange. Who needs enemies when you haven’t got a pm fighting your cause? 

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Just now, jim mk2 said:

You’re missing the point. The Tories are talking about reducing or cancelling apd for all airlines which would only increase air traffic at a time when the planet is overheating and countries have legal climate change targets to meet. The Tories could not give a flying fig though 

Under Tory governments the UK has done well in reducing carbon emissions. 

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Just now, jim mk2 said:

Johnson has form on this. Failed to get the ratcliffe woman out of an Iranian jail and now he’s bowing to agent orange. Who needs enemies when you haven’t got a pm fighting your cause? 

What is he supposed to do ? Declare war on the US ?

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23 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

I'm fully aware of the rescue as there is a branch about half a mile from my home. Without trawling through financial statements I would suggest the UK airline was no good which is why it has gone under.

You can suggest all your like but the fact is the airline was profitable and there were buyers for it. 

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24 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

What is he supposed to do ? Declare war on the US ?

How about standing up for British citizens ?

Novel concept for Johnson after his disastrous tenure as foreign secretary

 

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3 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

Johnson has form on this. Failed to get the ratcliffe woman out of an Iranian jail and now he’s bowing to agent orange. Who needs enemies when you haven’t got a pm fighting your cause? 


Well how did we get her home when Iran will say she is Iranian-British citizen? would you be in favour of sending in the SAS to get her back? 

The British Government tried to get her back just before Christmas but Iran rejected the terms yet again. 

What would Jeremy do? keys to MI6 intelligence offices and documents ?

 

5 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

If it's EU rules why have IAG this morning complained to Brussels?

https://www.ft.com/content/961f87ca-3766-11ea-a6d3-9a26f8c3cba4

This is flagrant misuse of taxpayers' money. 

And the message the APD bailout sends on climate change is appalling.

I wonder if Flybe are Tory donors?

Flybe is vital for economy in Isle of Man and British. As businesses said yesterday on the BBC News in Isle of man that half of flights there are done by Fly BE. So what happens to those jobs that require those services? or taking people to Liverpool hospitals for operations from Isle of Man? Also if Flybe went bust it would be disaster for the Northern Ireland economy 

Misuse of taxpayers money? They are still paying the tax debt in total but over a number of years 

5 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

Tories are now doing what they said they'd never do - performing a stealth nationalisation of railways and now a failing airline. 

So much for the free market, eh?

King Jeremy is no more but his policies live on.

Oh yes that Jeremy that deliver Worst Labour results since 1935. :lol:

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9 hours ago, den said:

It appears as though the Tories are going to change the way hospital performance is measured. The idea seems to be to move the targets to the performance, not perform to achieve the targets, which have already been downgraded from the ones NHS were hitting prior to 2010.

In other words, let’s applaud what the government achieves rather than it be shown for its failings. Typical of this lot.

When it first came in the target required hospitals to treat 98% of A&E arrivals within four hours. The Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition government reduced that to 95% in 2010. The target was last met in July 2015. and performance has dropped 10% in the last year alone.

So bad news will be buried by abandoning the targets. Disgraceful act by a morally bankrupt party

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1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

What would Jeremy do? keys to MI6 intelligence offices and documents ?

Superb whataboutery

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1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Flybe is vital for economy in Isle of Man and British. As businesses said yesterday on the BBC News in Isle of man that half of flights there are done by Fly BE. So what happens to those jobs that require those services? or taking people to Liverpool hospitals for operations from Isle of Man? Also if Flybe went bust it would be disaster for the Northern Ireland economy 

 

 It's a bankrupt and failed airline. If it's that important to national infrastructure it should be nationalised, as Jeremy said. 

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7 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Superb whataboutery

Typical Jeremy Labour response 

5 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

 It's a bankrupt and failed airline. If it's that important to national infrastructure it should be nationalised, as Jeremy said. 

No to nationalised. 

Give it help and support but no to government ownership. 

Oh yes Jeremy. Did he not lose the last election by the bigger majority since 1935? People rejected Corbyn, Labour policies and the party!!!

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1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

Give it help and support but no to government ownership. 

The Tories have taken the East Coast main rail line back into public ownership and they are about to take Northern rail back into public ownership too. Rail privatisation is a failed model and Flybe has failed too. It should be in public ownership. 

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7 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Oh yes Jeremy. Did he not lose the last election by the bigger majority since 1935? 

Superb whatabbouttery again

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1 minute ago, jim mk2 said:

Superb whatabbouttery again

Just cant face the facts. Jeremy lost the election by the biggest majorty in 84 years!!! :lol:

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Can we stop repeating ourselves all the time please lads? 
Thanks. 

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If you're going to criticise Corbyn for his nationalisation ideas, why not criticise Conservatives for actually doing it?

Hypocrisy imo.

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33 minutes ago, Mike E said:

If you're going to criticise Corbyn for his nationalisation ideas, why not criticise Conservatives for actually doing it?

Hypocrisy imo.

In FlyBe case we have done a deal to allow them to pay their taxes over a number of years. No nationalisation. 

In the Rail nationalisation, we have to take over the poorly run rail lines like Northern rail then take them over in short term before looking for private company to run the line. 

 

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Just caught up with the Lisa Nandy interview by Andrew Neil and thought she came across extremely well, even had Andrew on the back foot at times.

She was extremely well versed, gave direct answers to direct questions and did herself no hard at all.

 

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1 minute ago, Gav said:

Just caught up with the Lisa Nandy interview by Andrew Neil and thought she came across extremely well, even had Andrew on the back foot at times.

She was extremely well versed, gave direct answers to direct questions and did herself no hard at all.

 

A poll out today of Labour people puts her at around 7%.

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1 hour ago, Gav said:

Just caught up with the Lisa Nandy interview by Andrew Neil and thought she came across extremely well, even had Andrew on the back foot at times.

She was extremely well versed, gave direct answers to direct questions and did herself no hard at all.

 

Seems like with opinion poll recently done she not in with a chance. 

Look like Long Bailey from here on in. Her as leader and Rayner as Deputy. 

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29 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Seems like with opinion poll recently done she not in with a chance. 

Look like Long Bailey from here on in. Her as leader and Rayner as Deputy. 

A vote for Starmer or Bailey is in my opinion another example of the party membership not listening to the voters.

Don't get me wrong, both are good people, but with Starmer being another entrenched in the Westminster bubble and Rebecca far to close to Corbyn, its going to be a longtime before Labour get anywhere near the top table sadly.

 

 

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On 15/01/2020 at 11:49, Mashed Potatoes said:

Good to see that the government have intervened to help save the FlyBe airline whose services are so important to people living in areas of the country like the South West and Anglesey not served by the large airlines.

Thank you Tories.

You mean they're looking after Tory voters ?

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On 15/01/2020 at 14:27, jim mk2 said:

You can suggest all your like but the fact is the airline was profitable and there were buyers for it. 

They also had debts of over 1.5bn. They had a disastrous merger in 03 with MyTravel, almost went under in 2013 and issued profit warnings on their final accounts. They had over thousands of shops on high streets which were leaking money. They didn't extend their online market which is why they suffered and failed.

What you are saying is a half-truth (as always). The airline arm of Thomas Cook may have been profitable, but the tour operator (or package holidays) wasn't. Ultimately though the bottom line was that the company was in debt over 1.5bn and the only people seriously interested would have asset stripped it anyway.

Besides, Flybe and Thomas Cook are two separate entities. Flybe provide services domestically often for smaller airports that are out of reach of major airports easily. Flybe are a key part of our internal infrastructure in that regard, whereas Thomas Cook and Monarch are operating in a market where others can very easily step in and replace.

If Fosun were seriously interested in every acquiring Thomas Cook they would have but the company wasn't worth anything. Any takeover deal required the debt to be wrote off, which if you can find a bank willing to write off over £1bn then let me know because I would like to take a loan out with them.

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1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

You mean they're looking after Tory voters ?

They believe in One Nation. Throwing people outside the big metropolitan areas on to the scrapheap is Labour policy not Conservative - that's why they voted Tory.

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