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1 minute ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

Good interview with Anneliese Dodds.

She was of the same opinion as me.... Times piece basically says nothing controversial at all. Good to see Labour MPs behaving like adults instead of the past rabble.

 

Remember China caused the virus and then deliberately hid it from the world for 2 months. This is the only time which was lost and has basically killed thousands around the world.

Not so, read the article above I posted above. I'll bet you haven't.

"Britain was still doing quite well in containing the disease by testing, tracing contact and setting up quarantine for those suspected of being infected with Covid-19 at this time. “Then, in March, the government decided to abandon this approach and shift from containing the disease to delaying its progress,” says Wingfield. “I would really like to know why the decision to give up testing and contact tracing was taken.”

 

 

16 minutes ago, Kamy100 said:

It is now becoming clear that the government has made some critical errors that have resulted in thousands dying:

* The policy to initially follow the herd immunity at the start of the pandemic

* The delay in going into lockdown and banning of all public gathering

* The decision not to aggressively contact trace those that have been infected, a policy that they are now reviewing (however this particular horse has now bolted)

* The failure to use the 6 critical weeks to prepare for what was about to hit us by stock piling PPE and pivioting manufacturers to build ventilators (instead our government's focus was on ensuring they "got brexit done" by the end of January)

* The continued failure of not testing those coming into the country from virus hit regions and the lack of clear plan to limit travel in and out of the country

*  The failure to provide adequate PPE to front line health/social care workers which has almost certainly resulted in some deaths

And now via the times and a few other reports over the last few days there seems to be people within Boris's own government briefing against him by leaking damaging information about him missing Cobra meetings etc, this could be potentially devastating if the government starts to spilit at the most critical time.

On the economy side of things the government have got a lot right and have probably done as much as can be reasonably expected.

 

 

Absolutely my view.

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Going forward we need a plan to manage this for the next 12-18 months (the realistic timescale for a vaccine).  Obviously we cannot stay in lockdown for such a long period, so the government need to put forward a plan to manage this situation for this period of time given that in this time we are likely to see around 4-6 more peaks in the virus.  

It is not an easy task for any governemnt but they cannot get this wrong, they need to learn from their previous mistakes and hopefully now the decisions will be able to be made on sound scientific knowledge rather than the flawed information that it now appears that China had released initially.

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Michael Gove completely debunked the Times story.

Great interview.

Nothing to see here either.

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11 hours ago, Gav said:

but if the government has been asleep at the wheel heads need to roll, but not until this crisis is over. 

 

At which point, you and others will say "its easy in hindsight".

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Michael Gove on Andrew Marr show saying PM Johnson not be in the 5 cobra meeting is standard as they would be led by department leader so it would be health secretary who led the meetings and report back to PM. Prime Minister doesn't attend every cobra meeting. 

 

Edited by chaddyrovers

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45 minutes ago, tomphil said:

So the opposition driven media all out to get Johnson over his women issues contributed to him having to miss meetings to instead deal with that over hysterical nonsense ?

NIce work as usual.

Opposition media? The Times is as Tory as they come....In fact, the British media in the main is overwhelmingly Conservative. 
 

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1 minute ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

Michael Gove completely debunked the Times story.

Great interview.

Nothing to see here either.

See Chaddy post below yours. He wasn’t at the cobra meetings apparently. 

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1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Sarah Gilbert on bbc 1 Andrew Marr this morning. She is on discussing the vaccine she is creating. 

She is professor of vaccinology at Oxford university 

Sarah Gilbert was very impressive on the Andrew Marr Show. Learnt alot from her. 

And this is part of what she said:

Sarah Gilbert, professor of vaccinology at Oxford University, who is leading a team to develop a coronavirus vaccine, said nobody can be sure that it is possible to find a workable vaccine.

A far cry from "a vaccine being available in September' which is what you told us in an earlier post.

 

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1 minute ago, den said:

See Chaddy post below yours. He wasn’t at the cobra meetings apparently. 

because its normal.

like I said...nothing to see here.

 

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5 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Prime Minister doesn't attend every cobra meeting. 

That's a different thing to missing 5! The lengths you will go to to defend this rabble!

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2 minutes ago, den said:

See Chaddy post below yours. He wasn’t at the cobra meetings apparently. 

Cos Matt Hancock led the 5 cobra meetings Johnson didnt attend as it was Health problem to he would chair the meeting then report back to PM Johnson about the meetings. 

That was Gove Said

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Just now, OldEwoodBlue said:

because its normal.

like I said...nothing to see here.

 

It is for Johnson. That’s the problem. 

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Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Cos Matt Hancock led the 5 cobra meetings Johnson didnt attend as it was Health problem to he would chair the meeting then report back to PM Johnson about the meetings. 

That was Gove Said

From the Times article:

Unusually, Boris Johnson had been absent from Cobra. The committee — which includes ministers, intelligence chiefs and military generals — gathers at moments of great peril such as terrorist attacks, natural disasters and other threats to the nation and is normally chaired by the prime minister.

Johnson had found time that day, however, to join in a lunar new year dragon eyes ritual as part of Downing Street’s reception for the Chinese community, led by the country’s ambassador.

 

 

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I will post the Andrew Marr part when its online

Edited by chaddyrovers

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Just now, 47er said:

And this is part of what she said:

Sarah Gilbert, professor of vaccinology at Oxford University, who is leading a team to develop a coronavirus vaccine, said nobody can be sure that it is possible to find a workable vaccine.

A far cry from "a vaccine being available in September' which is what you told us in an earlier post.

 

This is a perfect example of poor media.

Every grown intelligent adult knows there is no vaccine for 12-18 months. It has been said over and over.

Media hears there may be a vaccine by September (working in a lab) and suddenly silly headlines and fervent questions to MPs.

Next we will have journos asking MPs when the lockdown will end.

 

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1 minute ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

This is a perfect example of poor media.

Every grown intelligent adult knows there is no vaccine for 12-18 months. It has been said over and over.

Media hears there may be a vaccine by September (working in a lab) and suddenly silly headlines and fervent questions to MPs.

Next we will have journos asking MPs when the lockdown will end.

 

Sarah Gilbert has said a Vaccine could be ready by September but not for entire population to use which people know already. People working on the front line should get it 1st. 

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3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I will post the Andrew Marr part when its online

You don’t need to, gove didn’t deny that Johnson wasn’t present at 5 cobra meetings and you yourself have just said he didn’t.

you know what Chaddy, there’s an easy answer for you here.
“Yes, Johnson should have chaired those meeting”. That’s it, it’s really undeniable that he should. Stop backing the wrong horse ( Cheltenham pun intended).

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Has Johnson never heard the saying 'The buck stops here's? In times of real crisis he should have been at cobra meetings, even if PMs dont necessarily attend. These were not standard meetings but extra ones and he should have been there as a priority, even if the issues were largely being dealt with by relevant ministers. He should want to hear first hand not rely on second hand info. Its scandalous to miss 5, but then this is Johnson

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They couldn't even get it right when they called for British made ventilators

https://www.ft.com/content/5f393d77-8e5b-4a85-b647-416efbc575ec

They might as well have called it the Brexit Ventilator:  based on delusions, sold on nationalist exceptionalism, not deliverable as described and ultimately a waste of time and effort for all concerned.

This haphazard approach throughout the crisis has been typical of the "it'll be alright on the night" amateur stuff from the "wing it" Johnson government.

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14 minutes ago, gumboots said:

Has Johnson never heard the saying 'The buck stops here's? In times of real crisis he should have been at cobra meetings, even if PMs dont necessarily attend. These were not standard meetings but extra ones and he should have been there as a priority, even if the issues were largely being dealt with by relevant ministers. He should want to hear first hand not rely on second hand info. Its scandalous to miss 5, but then this is Johnson

Johnson's in the Earl Haig Blackadder mould of British generals .......consuming coffee and cake 2 miles behind the front lines while the lads in the trenches get slaughtered.

.... and Operation Last Gasp is a great big jolly wheeze that will be over before Christmas

 

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No point keep posting subscription only articles Jim.

But remember we still have excess ventilator capacity so can't be anything of significance.

 

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11 minutes ago, philipl said:

Gove confirmed the Sunday Times story if you listen carefully.

COBRA purpose is to inform PM decision making . It is his personal committee ffs.

Murdoch has decided there needs to be a new PM

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-govt-missed-a-series-of-opportunities-to-lessen-impact-of-covid-19-11975328

Can you not post misleading things like that please?

It’s not Rupert Murdoch specifically saying we need a new PM, it’s a journalist by the name of Jon Craig basically re hashing the piece from The Times.

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More bad news for doctors and nurses. The shipment of 400,000 gowns has been delayed and won’t be arriving today. I pity those people who must decide whether to put their own lives even more on the line than before. I don’t know what I would do.

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