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4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

They are trying to trust the British public. 

Just follow the simple advice. 

Trusting the public means abdicating responsibility. I mean we don't do it with crime do we. We trust the public to all behave. 

And again Chaddy, the advice isn't simple no matter how many times you say it. All the evidence and reaction says it's far from simple. 

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2 minutes ago, den said:

It isn’t just that Gav, it’s a fundamental difference of approach.

Have SAGE given different advice to all four countries?

Don't shoot the messenger, I'm telling you what Nicola Sturgeon said at lunchtime today, that was her reason for not relaxing restrictions.

 

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1 minute ago, Gav said:

Don't shoot the messenger, I'm telling you what Nicola Sturgeon said at lunchtime today, that was her reason for not relaxing restrictions.

 

As Blue blood said, that might be part of the reason but all three of them think England are making a mistake.

So, who’s following the science?

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4 minutes ago, Blue blood said:

Trusting the public means abdicating responsibility. I mean we don't do it with crime do we. We trust the public to all behave. 

And again Chaddy, the advice isn't simple no matter how many times you say it. All the evidence and reaction says it's far from simple. 

No its treating us like sensible people. We arent stupid the vast majority of us. I cant defend the minority of people dont listen. 

Maybe you dont understand the advice but I do, my family and friends do and we will follow it to the rules. 

I cannot help people who dont. You got PM, CSO and CMO talking right now to the nation. 

 

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5 minutes ago, den said:

As Blue blood said, that might be part of the reason but all three of them think England are making a mistake.

So, who’s following the science?

In future if you ask a question please add the answer you want, save us all the time and effort.

 

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Boris is a big problem here. He can't give clear answers, he's making things sound much more complex than they should be. Would be better if they had someone else up there.

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6 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

Boris is a big problem here. He can't give clear answers, he's making things sound much more complex than they should be. Would be better if they had someone else up there.

 Suggestions? There's so little ability in the cabinet I don't trust or have faith in any of them

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32 minutes ago, den said:

Stay alert now means stay at home. 

"Stay alert" seems perfectly self explanatory to me. "Stay alert" (by continuing to observe social distancing when you're out).

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13 minutes ago, Gav said:

In future if you ask a question please add the answer you want, save us all the time and effort.

 

Ok Fair enough. 🙂

I guess what I’m struggling to do is to emphasise that at the end of the day * the decisions are made by the politicians, not the scientists.

* hate that phrase.

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10 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Suggestions? There's so little ability in the cabinet I don't trust or have faith in any of them

I've never voted Tory but over the years they have had plenty big beasts, of this cabinet the only one who appears even semi competent is Gove. It's without a doubt the most incompetent cabinet I have ever seen most of whom would not even have been junior ministers in previous cabinet of either colour.

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65000 tests yesterday. 
we are easing restrictions but not doing the testing and tracing we are told is vital. Why?

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3 minutes ago, den said:

65000 tests yesterday. 
we are easing restrictions but not doing the testing and tracing we are told is vital. Why?

Said 104k on the briefing?

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12 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

I've never voted Tory but over the years they have had plenty big beasts, of this cabinet the only one who appears even semi competent is Gove. It's without a doubt the most incompetent cabinet I have ever seen most of whom would not even have been junior ministers in previous cabinet of either colour.

I don't know. I'm a Labour/Lib Dem voter but I think Rishi and Hancock have done pretty well, all things considered. Definitely better than Boris anyway. Rishi looks like he will do really well.

That said Keir is looking strong. Think he will paste Boris in PM questions every week. His shadow cabinet have looked right and disciplined on media appearances as well.

 

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7 minutes ago, den said:

65000 tests yesterday. 
we are easing restrictions but not doing the testing and tracing we are told is vital. Why?

I'm not convinced those 5 criteria that need to be met before easing lockdown has been achieved. 

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42 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

No its treating us like sensible people. We arent stupid the vast majority of us. I cant defend the minority of people dont listen. 

Maybe you dont understand the advice but I do, my family and friends do and we will follow it to the rules. 

I cannot help people who dont. You got PM, CSO and CMO talking right now to the nation. 

 

You can’t treat the public like sensible people. The last 4 years prove that. You have to calibrate any message for the lowest denominator. Keep it clear and simple. Then it stands a chance. This is a mess. How on earth can this be enforced?

It’s a complete abdication of responsibility to ask the public to determine what is suitable or not. The vast majority of people may be sensible but the sizeable minority who aren’t will endanger thousands of lives. 

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17 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

"Stay alert" seems perfectly self explanatory to me. "Stay alert" (by continuing to observe social distancing when you're out).

The government is going to publish recovery figures from Hospitals now. Didnt you ask last week for these to be release

 

Very impressed with Prof Chris Whitty and Sir Patrick Vallance answers today. 

 

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7 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

Said 104k on the briefing?

They including tests sent to people homes aswell re test for people who have been tested before. 

If you go to a test centre it takes around 30 mins for each person test to happen

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3 minutes ago, den said:

65000 tests yesterday. 
we are easing restrictions but not doing the testing and tracing we are told is vital. Why?

The testing in this country has been shambolic from day one. We have a PM who didn't seem at all worried about the virus, a Health secretary who is completely out of his depth, a chief scientific advisor who wanted herd immunity and a CMO who said test and tracing 'wasn't likely to add a huge amount'.

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13 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

Said 104k on the briefing?

I was going off a tweet from the god that is now Piers Morgan. 
ok just checked. 65,000 is the number of people tested, that’s not what Hancock promised.

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23 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

I've never voted Tory but over the years they have had plenty big beasts, of this cabinet the only one who appears even semi competent is Gove. It's without a doubt the most incompetent cabinet I have ever seen most of whom would not even have been junior ministers in previous cabinet of either colour.

Gove is Murdoch's choice to replace Johnson. Can't stand him personally but he does have some grasp of detail unlike the PM. I thought May's cabinet was the worst I'd seen in my lifetime but this one is infinitely worse. 

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5 minutes ago, RoverDom said:

I'm not convinced those 5 criteria that need to be met before easing lockdown has been achieved. 

Well we haven't really relaxed it at all. Just a couple of very minor concessions.

I am worried though that the comms are so muddled people will start socialising and working indoors which is when the infection will really take off.

Boris speech last night, Raab this morning, then the briefing just now have been really poor in my opinion.

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4 hours ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

The detailed plan reads well, so far. I hope the drama lessens once people start reading it. Unfortunately though, like Brexit, the more drama the more relevant some journos are and that’s been evident in the reporting lately. 

I agree about the ridiculously hysterical reporting of the crisis, like Brexit before it, it has become the media's entire raison d'etre and they'll be gutted when it passes, they'll literally have absolutely nothing to talk about.

However although I haven't seen the exit plan in detail it seems to me that the Government rushed headlong into lockdown without the slightest idea of how they were going to come out of it and most of the rules and restrictions pertinent thereto are arbitrary nonsense they just make up as they go along.

For instance, if you (quite unreasonably) couldn"t sunbathe or have a picnic in a park one day (even if you socially distanced) or drive to the Peak District to walk your dog in complete isolation, why is it suddenly safe to do so another day? Why is it deemed safe to socially distance at 2m as opposed to say 1m or 3m?

And it seems hard to fathom why the first stage of relaxation didn't involve letting people see their immediate family for the sake of everyone's sanity. As I understand it from Wednesday you could hypothetically see an elderly parent in the Park but not visit them in their garden at home.

Absolute nonsense the lot of it. The Government were panicked into rushing into a blanket lockdown with little or no thought for the consequences and now are having to try to save face by coming out of it as gradually as possible and pretend they were right all along rather than be forced to admit they made a colossal error in introducing a blanket lockdown in the first place.

 

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Further confirmation that the rich and powerful (who are well out of harm's way)  are very keen for the workers to put their lives on the line and get back to work.

Anyone in a trade union (and most people should be) who are worried about going back should contact their union rep.  

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-25/billionaires-want-people-back-to-work-workers-aren-t-so-sure

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Both last night and tonight a phrase that keeps getting repeated is "covid secure".

You can go back to work if you can't work from home, but only if your workplace is "covid secure".

That phrase is an oxymoron surely.

If this disease was so easy to protect against, then it wouldn't be causing so many problems Worldwide. 

A workplace can have all the precautions known to mankind- full PPE, hand sanitizers by every doorway, 5m distancing between employees- the full shabang. Still doesn't make it covid secure.

Secure definition: "certain to remain safe and unthreatened."

The word certain is in the definition. I'd argue not a single workplace on Earth is "certain to remain safe" from Covid19. Maybe the International space station. 

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