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13 minutes ago, Yoogo said:

I might be asking a dumb question here, but it sounded to me as though the adviser was basing the 14 days on one person having it for 7 days, and perhaps on the 7th day, passing it onto another person for 7 days. What if, on the 14th day, you then pass it on to another person in the household? Maybe it doesn't work like that, but just wondering.

The way I understand it is that a person is no longer infectious four days after initial symptoms. They are most infectious at the point of first symptoms appearing. That being the case, a household should be clear before 14 days.

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1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

My family will be fine BDS. A pub crawl is just a day out. So don't worry about. 

I rung my uncle twice today and he is fine. He has lungs problems. 

It is pathetic that any Children's parents have to pay for their kids to recieve any medical care. Well yeah I think it was very obvious that the kids didnt pay for it themselves. 

Yes the Irish's system is like American one. 

Schools remain open. 

The pub crawl came 24 hours before advise from the government stating that people shouldnt go to pubs etc. Would that mean that you would refrain from doing so if you had planned to go tomorrow on one?

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1 hour ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

In the pub.

After work drink.

It's busy as usual.

No surprise tbh there.

1 hour ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

It's not like the American one Chaddy, but I wouldn't expect you to understand. So please stop talking about things you neither understand nor grasp. Just go ,sit listen to Boris and await further instructions. 

Do you pay or need medical insurance to see Doctor? If so it's similar to American one or others around the world..ours is free. 

 

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

The pub crawl came 24 hours before advise from the government stating that people shouldnt go to pubs etc. Would that mean that you would refrain from doing so if you had planned to go tomorrow on one?

I wasnt on the pub crawl tho it was my parents and other family members. 

 

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2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

.ours is free. 

Labour socialist creation. You love it. 

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2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

No surprise tbh there.

Do you pay or need medical insurance to see Doctor? If so it's similar to American one or others around the world..ours is free. 

 

I wasnt on the pub crawl tho it was my parents and other family members. 

 

Chaddy you said it was the same earlier,now you are asking me how it works. 

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11 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

No surprise tbh there.

Do you pay or need medical insurance to see Doctor? If so it's similar to American one or others around the world..ours is free. 

 

I wasnt on the pub crawl tho it was my parents and other family members. 

 

If you had a pub crawl organised for tomorrow, or alternatively if your parents did and you was just advising them, would the decision be to go or not, baring in mind the advice given, not orders, advice?

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1 hour ago, den said:

The way I understand it is that a person is no longer infectious four days after initial symptoms. They are most infectious at the point of first symptoms appearing. That being the case, a household should be clear before 14 days.

Actually the big concern is that people are infectious for 5 days before symptoms. That is what makes it so hard to control.

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USA now recommending that no gatherings of 10 or more.

A nationwide lockdown is coming I feel.

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2 hours ago, Yoogo said:

I didn't mean to panic you, but maybe just stick to what they said today, i.e. 14 days. They might need to update the website, but nothing like official information from the horse's mouth.

Your post raises another point. Does it affect pets/animals? 🤔

Yes---dogs can get it. Don't know about other animals but I assume they could ----logically?

 

2 hours ago, DE. said:

Also from what I've read as it stands there is no evidence that it can be passed on to animals. 

 Wrong.

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4 minutes ago, 47er said:

Yes---dogs can get it. Don't know about other animals but I assume they could ----logically?

 

 Wrong.

In fairness until a few days ago the WHO advised that dogs could not get the virus, and thus far there is only one known case of a dog in Hong Kong I believe who may have contracted the virus - although not confirmed for sure yet.

Dogs can get types of coronovirus but there's no concrete proof they can get COVID-19 yet, although that may change if more cases are detected over the next few weeks. 

Edit: An exact quote from the following page: https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/news/can-dogs-get-coronavirus/

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The World Health Organization has stated, “While there has been one instance of a dog being infected in Hong Kong, to date, there is no evidence that a dog, cat or any pet can transmit COVID-19. COVID-19 is mainly spread through droplets produced when an infected person coughs, sneezes, or speaks. To protect yourself, clean your hands frequently and thoroughly.”

 

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1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Do you pay or need medical insurance to see Doctor? If so it's similar to American one or others around the world..ours is free.

But there is considerable difficulty getting an appointment-----no? Can't see the doctor who's familiar with your case, can't get appointment for days or weeks?

Have to persuade the receptionist you actually need the appointment? Have to discuss your personal details with her (usually her)?

NHS is not the Rolls-Royce service you imply and not what it used to be before Austerity.

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As many said, the govt had got it badly wrong.

“The UK Only Realised "In The Last Few Days" That Its Coronavirus Strategy Would "Likely Result In Hundreds of Thousands of Deaths"

 

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17 minutes ago, 47er said:

Yes---dogs can get it. Don't know about other animals but I assume they could ----logically?

 

 

There is no evidence that dogs can get this particular strain of corona virus but can have secondary contamination. i.e infected stroking a dog and you stoke the same dog within a period of time

WHO issued a statement on the 13th of March

The Hong Kong dog has been released as it tested for secondary contamination from its infected owner and did not contract  the virus

 

Edited by perthblue02

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8 minutes ago, DE. said:

In fairness until a few days ago the WHO advised that dogs could not get the virus, and thus far there is only one known case of a dog in Hong Kong I believe who may have contracted the virus - although not confirmed for sure yet.

Dogs can get types of coronovirus but there's no concrete proof they can get COVID-19 yet, although that may change if more cases are detected over the next few weeks. 

Edit: An exact quote from the following page: https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/news/can-dogs-get-coronavirus/

 

Same article has a headline which reads "DOGS CAN GET SOME TYPES OF CORONA VIRUS".

Not scoring points here, I agree with you that the likelihood seems remote at this point.

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Just now, 47er said:

Same article has a headline which reads "DOGS CAN GET SOME FORMS OF CORONA VIRUS".

Not scoring points here, I agree with you that the likelihood seems remote at this point.

Yeah there are canine versions of coronavirus so I should have been more precise in my original post. As far as COVID-19 is concerned it's just a single case in Hong Kong, although considering we don't even have enough testing equipment for humans I doubt any dogs are realistically being tested to confirm one way or the other. 

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9 minutes ago, den said:

As many said, the govt had got it badly wrong.

So the scientists proved not to be experts after all. As the bodies mount up Johnson has his ready made excuse.

Heard today that Brent council in N London has bought a big redundant old factory...... for use as a morgue.

There's something the govt is not sharing with the British public

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22 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

So the scientists proved not to be experts after all. As the bodies mount up Johnson has his ready made excuse.

Heard today that Brent council in N London has bought a big redundant old factory...... for use as a morgue.

There's something the govt is not sharing with the British public

Heard on the ABC in Au yesterday that the UK Gov were in talks to purchase land and buildings to use as burial and morgue/storage sites because cremations and other facilities will be stretched. so obviously not a big secret. Also mentioned using empty hotels as emergency testing / isolation centres.

Is it not just  forward planning in case it is needed.??

 

 

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2 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

Labour socialist creation. You love it. 

Tories voted against it at the time!!!!

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1 hour ago, jim mk2 said:

 

There's something the govt is not sharing with the British public

Have we ever known a reaction like this before to a virus outbreak?

Doesn't feel right this...something has the experts very 'spooked' for want of a better word.

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11 minutes ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

Have we ever known a reaction like this before to a virus outbreak?

Doesn't feel right this...something has the experts very 'spooked' for want of a better word.

I think this maybe explains it :

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/coronavirus-uk-strategy-deaths

Wow. 18 months.

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15 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

I think this maybe explains it :

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/coronavirus-uk-strategy-deaths

Wow. 18 months.

I posted that earlier JBN.

this article explains in general terms how the virus reacts to social distancing, quarantine etc. It’s interesting if we want to understand what tactics are open to scientists at the forefront of trying to combat this virus.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

Above all, health officials have encouraged people to avoid public gatherings, to stay home more often and to keep their distance from others. If people are less mobile and interact with each other less, the virus has fewer opportunities to spread.

Some people will still go out. Maybe they cannot stay home because of their work or other obligations, or maybe they simply refuse to heed public health warnings. Those people are not only more likely to get sick themselves, they are more likely to spread simulitis (coronavirus), too.

More social distancing keeps even more people healthy, and people can be nudged away from public places by removing their allure.

“We control the desire to be in public spaces by closing down public spaces. Italy is closing all of its restaurants. China is closing everything, and we are closing things now, too,” said Drew Harris, a population health researcher and assistant professor at The Thomas Jefferson University College of Public Health. “Reducing the opportunities for gathering helps folks social distance.”

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3 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Chaddy you said it was the same earlier,now you are asking me how it works. 

You said you have to paid 50 to 70 pounds to see a doctor or have to medical insurance. So it is a similar system to America so why argue? 

3 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

If you had a pub crawl organised for tomorrow, or alternatively if your parents did and you was just advising them, would the decision be to go or not, baring in mind the advice given, not orders, advice?

My parents would make the own decisions. I wouldn't advice on this. 

Myself, I wouldn't go on pub crawl anyway. Will I still go to my local? I don't know. Am I planning to this weekend coming? Nope. I will be at home all weekend with my missus and Daughter. 

2 hours ago, 47er said:

But there is considerable difficulty getting an appointment-----no? Can't see the doctor who's familiar with your case, can't get appointment for days or weeks?

Have to persuade the receptionist you actually need the appointment? Have to discuss your personal details with her (usually her)?

NHS is not the Rolls-Royce service you imply and not what it used to be before Austerity.

Well the last time I went for Doctor appointment I had no problem getting in the same day. My GP appointments are online now just I can just book online. No need to discuss owt with a receptionist. Your GP practice not online? 

Depends on your experience. Always recieve excellent service. 

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3 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

Labour socialist creation. You love it. 

A British creation. 

You love playing party politics don't you? 

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