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3 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Johnson almost word for word in PMQs just now

Do you write his scripts? 

I noticed this. In truth not a difficult prediction 

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I've found boris is a bit more confident at PMQs now. His answers are still worthless but he doesnt look as rattled as in the first couple of weeks against starmer. 

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42 minutes ago, RoverDom said:

I've found boris is a bit more confident at PMQs now. His answers are still worthless but he doesnt look as rattled as in the first couple of weeks against starmer. 

He’s just resorted to shouting, flailing his arms around and moving the subject matter. As a serious politician he’s out of his depth.

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1 hour ago, RoverDom said:

I've found boris is a bit more confident at PMQs now. he doesnt look as rattled as in the first couple of weeks against starmer. 

Yes he does more confident and he must have been practicing behind the scenes

Also he knows that getting this economy restart, investing in NHS, protect workers jobs or new jobs and get the country to back to normality as much as we can is the way he will win the next election. 

 

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10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Yes he does more confident and he must have been practicing behind the scenes

Also he knows that getting this economy restart, investing in NHS, protect workers jobs or new jobs and get the country to back to normality as much as we can is the way he will win the next election. 

 

Dont take that as me praising him btw. I've come across plenty of confident people in line of work, a good portion of them tend to be overpaid consultants who have no idea what they're actually doing. 

 

P.s. nice editing of my quote to remove the bit about his answers being worthless. Can I take that to mean that you think his responses to each question were of a decent quality? 

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Just now, RoverDom said:

Dont take that as me praising him btw. I've come across plenty of confident people in line of work, a good portion of them tend to be overpaid consultants who have no idea what they're actually doing. 

 

P.s. nice editing of my quote to remove the bit about his answers being worthless. Can I take that to mean that you think his responses to each question were of a decent quality? 

I thought they were decent response. But thats my opinion and thats I am sure plenty will disagree. 

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12 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I thought they were decent response. But thats my opinion and thats I am sure plenty will disagree. 

Do you think he answered the questions he was asked? 

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What I don't like is all this talk of 'getting back to normal'.

Our 'normal' left us woefully unprepared for one of the greatest health and economic crises in a century.

We need a new 'normal' that doesn't have homelessness and starving children in one of the world's wealthiest economies. Notable that many of the 'lastminute.com' solutions for this crisis were pretty much lifted straight from manifests of rival parties at the last 2 elections, especially Labour and the Greens.

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24 minutes ago, Mike E said:

What I don't like is all this talk of 'getting back to normal'.

Our 'normal' left us woefully unprepared for one of the greatest health and economic crises in a century.

We need a new 'normal' that doesn't have homelessness and starving children in one of the world's wealthiest economies. Notable that many of the 'lastminute.com' solutions for this crisis were pretty much lifted straight from manifests of rival parties at the last 2 elections, especially Labour and the Greens.

Most countries in the world have had a economic crisis due to this coronavirus.  

When I said getting back to normal. I mean like socialising with friends whether it meal out or a drinking session, Family parities, going on day trips to different parts of the world, Getting back to going to Sporting events, or concerts or theatre. Not having to wear face masks to go out. 

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58 minutes ago, Mike E said:

What I don't like is all this talk of 'getting back to normal'.

Our 'normal' left us woefully unprepared for one of the greatest health and economic crises in a century.

We need a new 'normal' that doesn't have homelessness and starving children in one of the world's wealthiest economies. Notable that many of the 'lastminute.com' solutions for this crisis were pretty much lifted straight from manifests of rival parties at the last 2 elections, especially Labour and the Greens.

Another very good post. The bit I have highlighted I may very well use in a speech I am preparing, if you don't mind Mike?

Edit: The speech isn't a party political one, it is my annual report to my housing association's AGM.

Edited by oldjamfan1

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3 minutes ago, RoverDom said:

I'd be charging a fee there Mike. 

PMSL - I'll buy him a pint next time we are able to physically attend a game :)

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It's yours for a pint!

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3 hours ago, RoverDom said:

Do you think he answered the questions he was asked? 

He never answered the one about car park fees for NHS staff.  Thats a scandal 

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43 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

He never answered the one about car park fees for NHS staff.  Thats a scandal 

He didnt really answer any of the questions. But according to chaddy that constitutes a decent response to the questions. 

I'm amazed how starmer keeps his cool, it must be so frustrating having idiotic non responses thrown back at you. 

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Boris is painted into a corner (by his Government as much as himself) by having already u-turned on so many obvious things, that even a shred of humanity in apologising for what he's said will be perceived as another u-turn.

Acknowledging mistakes is important, but you can only make so many, and few as blatantly incorrect as we've seen re: PPE provision, timing of locking down/easings, NHS parking, and now remarks about care workers.

By contrast Starmer has acted pretty decisively on his MPs mistakes, giving them a chance to retract/apologise, and even committed to sensitivity training after his own mistake.

Contrast that with Corbyn or Johnson, and Starmer just comes across as a relatively modest, compassionate, intelligent man. Ie: Normal.

Edited by Mike E

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1 minute ago, Mike E said:

By contrast Starmer has acted pretty decisively on his MPs mistakes, giving them a chance to retract/apologise, and even committed to sensitivity training after his own mistake.

Contrast that with Corbyn or Johnson, and Starmer just comes across as a relatively modest, compassionate, intelligent man. Ie: Normal.

Visionless and ineffective is how I'd describe Starmer's Labour. Corbyn had his faults but at least he had a vision. I don't know what Starmer's Labour stands for and that is probably because Starmer has never really stood for anything in his entire life. Labour are directionless and failing to effectively challenge the government as the Polls show, over 65000 excess deaths and the Tories are still comfortably ahead.  Johnson got him spot on today with his 'bandwagon' comment and when Boris Johnson is able to hurl those sort of accusations at you then you really are in trouble.

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1 hour ago, Ewood Ace said:

Visionless and ineffective is how I'd describe Starmer's Labour. Corbyn had his faults but at least he had a vision. I don't know what Starmer's Labour stands for and that is probably because Starmer has never really stood for anything in his entire life. Labour are directionless and failing to effectively challenge the government as the Polls show, over 65000 excess deaths and the Tories are still comfortably ahead.  Johnson got him spot on today with his 'bandwagon' comment and when Boris Johnson is able to hurl those sort of accusations at you then you really are in trouble.

I think you are correct when you describe Starmer's Labour. I found the shadow chancellor response to the Chancellor's speech Bizarre keep going on NHS track and trace instead on focusing on their packages the Chancellor announced today. 

On NHS Track and test, my parents visited Manchester town centre and have a few beers in the pubs. Their names, addresses and phone number were taken at every pub they went to and are taken NHS track and test purposes. They had to clean their hands every time they enter the pub. Social distancing were done at all times

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2 hours ago, Ewood Ace said:

Visionless and ineffective is how I'd describe Starmer's Labour. Corbyn had his faults but at least he had a vision. I don't know what Starmer's Labour stands for and that is probably because Starmer has never really stood for anything in his entire life. Labour are directionless and failing to effectively challenge the government as the Polls show, over 65000 excess deaths and the Tories are still comfortably ahead.  Johnson got him spot on today with his 'bandwagon' comment and when Boris Johnson is able to hurl those sort of accusations at you then you really are in trouble.

You've posted this tripe before.

Starmer's only a few months into his leadership amid a global health crisis - since his first PMQs he's continually exposed the incompetence of this government in dealing with the pandemic and the lies and blame deflections of Boris Johnson.

He's shown the type of party Labour will become by the shadow cabinet reshuffle which saw Corbyn's acolytes shunted out and shown he is willing to tackle difficult issues by sacking Long Bailey. 

As for the future it will depend among many other things on the economic fallout of the pandemic and the likely mass unemployment. I can't see how any party leader can have a "vision" when there are so many unknowns over the long term effects of this unprecedented crisis.

As for "Starmer has never really stood for anything in his entire life" - WTF does this mean?  He is not a career politician and as Director of Public Prosecutions was the country's top legal expert for many years. 

Polls show Starmer has overtaken Johnson as preferred choice for prime minister. 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/27/starmer-overtakes-johnson-as-preferred-choice-for-prime-minister

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1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

I think you are correct when you describe Starmer's Labour. I found the shadow chancellor response to the Chancellor's speech Bizarre keep going on NHS track and trace instead on focusing on their packages the Chancellor announced today. 

Dodds was saying that people are staying at home and not spending money because they don't think it's safe enough to go out. Until people think it's safe to socialise and shop they're going to vote with their feet and stay in.

Sunak can throw around as much money as he likes but until the government gets to grips with the virus the economy will not recover fully.

She's right

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Posted (edited)

Money for Covid is disproportionately still sticking plaster in the UK with little or no long term vision.

Edited by philipl

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First Group has just warned it is in danger of collapse.

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5 hours ago, philipl said:

Money for Covid is disproportionately still sticking plaster in the UK with little or no long term vision.

The money has so far saved thousands of jobs and businesses, the government didn’t have or need a plan in this case, it simply came to the aid of its citizens when required.

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15 minutes ago, Gav said:

The money has so far saved thousands of jobs and businesses, the government didn’t have or need a plan in this case, it simply came to the aid of its citizens when required.

 Have I misread that? Are you saying the government doesnt need people in employment or for businesses to survive?

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11 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

I think you are correct when you describe Starmer's Labour. I found the shadow chancellor response to the Chancellor's speech Bizarre keep going on NHS track and trace instead on focusing on their packages the Chancellor announced today. 

On NHS Track and test, my parents visited Manchester town centre and have a few beers in the pubs. Their names, addresses and phone number were taken at every pub they went to and are taken NHS track and test purposes. They had to clean their hands every time they enter the pub. Social distancing were done at all times

I didn’t sign in to any pub in Brum city centre at the weekend. In fairness to Dodds what she said was right - a proper track and trace system would leave people feeling far more secure, and willing, to enter restaurants and bars. £10 off is rather pointless if you fear going to the restaurants. On the flip side though the voucher can be used for take out so you aren’t forced to attend anywhere you don’t want. 
 

Still half expected a bigger “incentive”. £10 off is a far cry from the recommended £500 by the RF thinktank, and quite meaningless in truth. 

Edited by Dreams of 1995

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