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2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

Always now the link with Europe!" Second wave in Europe". Clear intention of blaming foreigners, the Hun at the gates! The invaders on the border. Not our fault--theirs. This is a clearly scripted attempt at spin which all ministers have decided to adhere to.

Much like you with your foreign driver Chaddy!

Your government 's not blaming unfit Britons is it? Or overcrowded and adequate housing?

Too close to home those factors. Easier to blame foreigners.

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5 minutes ago, 47er said:

Always now the link with Europe!" Second wave in Europe". Clear intention of blaming foreigners, the Hun at the gates! The invaders on the border. Not our fault--theirs. This is a clearly scripted attempt at spin which all ministers have decided to adhere to.

Much like you with your foreign driver Chaddy!

Your government 's not blaming unfit Britons is it? Or overcrowded and adequate housing?

Too close to home those factors. Easier to blame foreigners.

And the timing is straight from the Cummings playbook.

Imagine saying don’t visit other houses at 9pm Xmas Eve on Twitter!

Some family gatherings will have gone to bed legal and woke up breaking the law.

Muslim families just won’t adhere to it, and the narrative can then easily be spun on Facebook that it is “their fault” and not the governments litany of murderous fuckups.

And absolutely NOTHING helps keep the “red wall” blue like the stoking of racial & cultural tensions.

Whole thing stinks.

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27 minutes ago, 47er said:

Much like you with your foreign driver Chaddy!

😄 a pivotal moment in the pandemic,  that poor bloody driver. I wonder if he knows about his fame

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Last week the government was telling everyone to get back in the office (even if they can work from home) and that social distancing would end by Christmas.

Now with a spike in cases you can still go to the pub but you can't socialise in your own home.

Johnson and his sidekick Hancock are morons

 

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6 hours ago, S8 & Blue said:

And the timing is straight from the Cummings playbook.

Imagine saying don’t visit other houses at 9pm Xmas Eve on Twitter!

Some family gatherings will have gone to bed legal and woke up breaking the law.

Muslim families just won’t adhere to it, and the narrative can then easily be spun on Facebook that it is “their fault” and not the governments litany of murderous fuckups.

And absolutely NOTHING helps keep the “red wall” blue like the stoking of racial & cultural tensions.

Whole thing stinks.

Large Muslim families can often be scattered around the country so hopefully they have the time and means to travel and make a mockery of this racist ruling . If not I kind of hope they just do as they please as the whole thing is a nonsense anyway . Be it Cummings or the phe admission 

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So you can go to the pub etc with members of your own household,  you just can't mix with other households while you're there. In a pub 😂 What a load of nonsense.

Edited by Hoochie Bloochie Mama

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Just to make matters complicated, tomorrow I’m moving from a borough on the restricted list, to one that isn’t and I’m seeing a girl from one on the restricted list. Lovely.

Piss up, brewery etc.

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The government meet every Wednesday to look at the data and speak to local government on measures being taken in hotspots, so the timing isn't aimed at EID really, but they could have predicted last week that the rates are going up in all these areas and acted then, the sensible option, but no, its a Trumpian late night tweet that puts millions of people in lock down.

Lets also not forget he devolved powers to local government to enforce lock down, then goes and does it himself, undermining the brilliant work going on at local level.

Absolute sh1t show Hancock.

 

 

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There is a significant issue here.

A Minister (hancock) has just changed the law with criminal consequences for transgressors

... by Tweet!

Basically this change for BwD has no legal standing whatsoever.

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If the majority of the cases within east lamcashire are in the South Asian community ( due to houses having multiple occupants) and you can see that those households are about to widespread mix, you know you are going to end up with a significant increase in cases.

How else do you stop this rise in cases?

The decision is ridiculously late, the communication is poor and many, many people are going to be affected by it. But if nothing happened and cases doubled around the north by next week, everyone would be saying that the government did nothing.

Dont forget they've just hit tens of thousands of holiday makers in Spain with a 14-day quarantine. It's not like they are just pissing off one community here.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, philipl said:

There is a significant issue here.

A Minister (hancock) has just changed the law with criminal consequences for transgressors

... by Tweet!

Basically this change for BwD has no legal standing whatsoever.

It's on the government website and says "the government will pass new laws", but I'm sure that isn't done in a matter of hours. 

How does passing new laws work? Can a government pass whatever it wants with no challenge or scrutiny?

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49 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

Just to make matters complicated, tomorrow I’m moving from a borough on the restricted list, to one that isn’t and I’m seeing a girl from one on the restricted list. Lovely.

Piss up, brewery etc.

Not even Hancock knows the new rules. 

 

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Just now, Hasta said:

It's on the government website and says "the government will pass new laws", but I'm sure that isn't done in a matter of hours. 

How does passing new laws work? Can a government pass whatever it wants with no challenge or scrutiny?

With their majority they can be assured it will get through.

This is obviously significant in scope because there is a procedure for executive and legal notices whereby minor changes can be introduced without reference to Parliament in advance on the fly although they are all submitted for subsequent ratification.

Saying something will become law is not the same as empowering a copper to arrest you for it or a Magistrate being able to fine or imprison you for it. That should only be able to happen when it is law.

Incidentally it is Muslim Eid tonight. Possibly the timing is accidental but with that nasty arse Cummings involved, my betting is the announcement is deliberately timed to be aimed at the Muslim communities.

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Does anyone know what the coronavirus rules are any more? | Financial Times Alphaville

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6 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Not even Hancock knows the new rules. 

 

I was watching this unfold on twitter last night and journalists are just as much to blame about this.

In the unfettered yearning for "breaking news" dozens of journalists started to tweet half stories with the catchphrase "more when I know". This lead to a dozen different versions of events, each with a different translation of Hancock's tweets. Rather than wait and come up with the truth they rushed in headfirst and ended up re-tweeting several times before eventually landing somewhere near the correct version of events.

Hancock is to blame for that because he chose a platform such as Twitter to make an announcement. The Department of Health is just as much to blame because they have claimed this localised lockdown has been policy for weeks now, yet don't seem to have a plan to implement it when it is actually required. However, journalists are that quick to try and become breaking that they quite often report a half-truth or a misunderstood version of the truth which then leads to further confusion. The government should know better though, and the advice should be so well thought through that there is no room for misunderstanding. Alas that is not the case, and once again in a whip of media frenzy, and a dollop of incompetency, our national government is made to look an absolute shambles.

I am left wondering whether journalists like Halliday and co are enjoying this theme of contradiction and incompetence. It keeps them relevant. If this wasn't such a despised cabinet would there be a better understanding of real-time decisions and the perhaps lack of clarity at the immediate aftermath of a decision? 

Edited by Dreams of 1995

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Just now, Dreams of 1995 said:

I was watching this unfold on twitter last night and journalists are just as much to blame about this.

In the unfettered yearning for "breaking news" dozens of journalists started to tweet half stories with the catchphrase "more when I know". This lead to a dozen different versions of events, each with a different translation of Hancock's tweets. Rather than wait and come up with the truth they rushed in headfirst and ended up re-tweeting several times before eventually landing somewhere near the correct version of events.

Hancock is to blame for that because he chose a platform such as Twitter to make an announcement. The Department of Health is just as much to blame because they have claimed this localised lockdown has been policy for weeks now, yet don't seem to have a plan to implement it when it is actually required. However, journalists are that quick to try and become breaking that they quite often report a half-truth or a misunderstood version of the truth which then leads to further confusion. The government should know better though, and the advice should be so well thought through that there is no room for misunderstanding. Alas that is not the case, and once again in a whip of media frenzy, and a dollop of incompetency, our national government is made to look an absolute shambles.

I am left wondering whether journalists like Halliday and co are enjoying this theme of contradiction and incompetence. It keeps them relevant. Would this not be such a despised cabinet would there not be a better understanding of real-time decisions and the perhaps lack of clarity at the immediate aftermath of a decision? 

Hancock said it this morning when doing the rounds on TV. 

 

Edited by Hoochie Bloochie Mama

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Journalists were doing their job.

Hancock and Bozo weren't doing their's.

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Just now, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Hancock said it this morning when doing the rounds on TV. 

I was more talking about the announcement made last night, at roughly 10pm I think it was.

The media went into undiluted frenzy and retweet after retweet (correction after correction) followed. I couldn't help but think that their behaviour helped contribute to the utter confusion people faced when they woke up this morning.

I haven't seen morning TV so couldn't tell you the follow up from it today.

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1 hour ago, K-Hod said:

Just to make matters complicated, tomorrow I’m moving from a borough on the restricted list, to one that isn’t and I’m seeing a girl from one on the restricted list. Lovely.

Piss up, brewery etc.

Can you not just say she is in your support bubble? You can essentially carry on as normal then.

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Just now, LeftWinger said:

Can you not just say she is in your support bubble? You can essentially carry on as normal then.

You both have to apply to Lunar House and be interviewed by a heavily tattooed nazi before you can do that. 

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55 minutes ago, philipl said:

With their majority they can be assured it will get through.

This is obviously significant in scope because there is a procedure for executive and legal notices whereby minor changes can be introduced without reference to Parliament in advance on the fly although they are all submitted for subsequent ratification.

In September presumably as Parliament is now in recess until then?

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