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More lies from the government exposed by full fact.org  There are 6 times less people being tested than they claim.


“We are testing 330,000 people a day.” 

Nick Gibb MP, 5 August 2020 [2:26:34]

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Claim

330,000 people a day are being tested for Covid-19 under the Test and Trace programme

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Conclusion

This is not true. The real number, in England, is around 52,000. It will be slightly higher for the whole UK and if antibody and surveillance tests are included.

https://fullfact.org/health/nick-gibb-330000/

 

Any of the Tory supporters want to condemn the continual lies that they spout?

 

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Does it say where 330k came from? Usually their BS numbers are based on a number that has been written down somewhere and then skewed beyond belief but rarely completely made up. 

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6 minutes ago, RoverDom said:

Does it say where 330k came from? Usually their BS numbers are based on a number that has been written down somewhere and then skewed beyond belief but rarely completely made up. 

We contacted Mr Gibb’s office and a spokesperson told us, “the Minister unintentionally misspoke. When he said ‘we are testing…’ he should have said ‘we are able to test…’; he was referring to testing capacity in the system.”

The UK’s daily testing capacity currently stands at around 338,000. However, this figure includes antibody and surveillance tests that are not part of the Test and Trace programme. Nor is the number of tests the same as the number of people being tested, because some people are tested more than once. 

or is it he intentionally misspoke the numbers?

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30 minutes ago, jodrell said:

We contacted Mr Gibb’s office and a spokesperson told us, “the Minister unintentionally misspoke. When he said ‘we are testing…’ he should have said ‘we are able to test…’; he was referring to testing capacity in the system.”

The UK’s daily testing capacity currently stands at around 338,000. However, this figure includes antibody and surveillance tests that are not part of the Test and Trace programme. Nor is the number of tests the same as the number of people being tested, because some people are tested more than once. 

or is it he intentionally misspoke the numbers?

'I did not knowingly not tell the truth, even though unknowingly I might not have done.'

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2 hours ago, jodrell said:

We contacted Mr Gibb’s office and a spokesperson told us, “the Minister unintentionally misspoke. When he said ‘we are testing…’ he should have said ‘we are able to test…’; he was referring to testing capacity in the system.”

The UK’s daily testing capacity currently stands at around 338,000. However, this figure includes antibody and surveillance tests that are not part of the Test and Trace programme. Nor is the number of tests the same as the number of people being tested, because some people are tested more than once. 

or is it he intentionally misspoke the numbers?

He’s been taking lessons off another serial liar - Hancock.

He knew exactly what he was doing. He knew he was lieing.

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9 hours ago, RoverDom said:

I'm still of the opinion that if you gave the same task / problem / objective to a public sector company and a private sector company to do independently, the private sector would do it quicker, cheaper and better. The problem occurs when you try and mix public and private sector. For whatever reason our public sector struggles to get value for money out of such arrangements. 

I used to see it all the time when I worked in a professional services company. Tendering for contracts we'd always wheel out our best and brightest but as soon as the work was won we'd chuck a grad on the contract whilst the decent staff serviced the corporate clients. Dont get me started on the monthly billing that often went unchallenged by public sector clients. The quality of work was always poor as well as the public sector were not strict with the amount of budget we had or the length of time it took to finish the review whereas corporates would be on us from day 1. The public sector is far too trusting of the private sector and gets taken for a mug. Needs some commercial nouse. 

But----from what I posted its hard to imagine a worse job isn't it? This is millions of taxpayers money thrown away? And the jobs created are at the minimum wage of course.

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24 minutes ago, 47er said:

But----from what I posted its hard to imagine a worse job isn't it? This is millions of taxpayers money thrown away? And the jobs created are at the minimum wage of course.

Dunno a jobs a job I suppose. But yeah waste of money so far, from what I've read existing NHS tracers are doing as much as these new serco tracers. 

25k tracers if I'm right? About 800 cases per day? Average of 5 contacts (complete guess) so 4-5k contacts need to be traced per day. Works out at 5 tracers per contact per day. No wonder they're bored. That's before you take into account that some cases probably wont need traced e.g. I assume hospital patients may not fall under serco contract. 

Edited by RoverDom

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53672841

'Fifty million face masks bought by the government in April will not be used in the NHS because of safety concerns ... They were bought for healthcare workers from supplier Ayanda Capital as part of a £252m contract ....  It also emerged that the person who originally approached the government about the deal was a government trade adviser who also advises the board of Ayanda.'

A pandemic of corruption brought to you by the Tory party. 

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4 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53672841

'Fifty million face masks bought by the government in April will not be used in the NHS because of safety concerns ... They were bought for healthcare workers from supplier Ayanda Capital as part of a £252m contract ....  It also emerged that the person who originally approached the government about the deal was a government trade adviser who also advises the board of Ayanda.'

A pandemic of corruption brought to you by the Tory party. 

The number of cases of outright corruption are increasing faster than the virus.

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8 minutes ago, lsp82 said:

 

 

Outrageous. 
 

One of the first things you do when procuring materials of any nature is ensure it meets the specifications set. They didn’t even bother to do that. No excuses whatsoever.

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18 minutes ago, lsp82 said:

 

 

A story of government throwing away millions of pounds of tax payers money on equipment unfit for purpose. Strangely enough into the hands of companies linked to Tory ministers.

and nobody cares.

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18 minutes ago, den said:

A story of government throwing away millions of pounds of tax payers money on equipment unfit for purpose. Strangely enough into the hands of companies linked to Tory ministers.

and nobody cares.

It would be interesting to know the total amount  this lot have wasted / given to  linked to Tory ministers? If it had been any other  party the press would have been all over it yet  it seems to get little press coverage.Yet people think Bo Jo can't do no wrong.

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16 hours ago, RoverDom said:

Dunno a jobs a job I suppose. But yeah waste of money so far, from what I've read existing NHS tracers are doing as much as these new serco tracers. 

25k tracers if I'm right? About 800 cases per day? Average of 5 contacts (complete guess) so 4-5k contacts need to be traced per day. Works out at 5 tracers per contact per day. No wonder they're bored. That's before you take into account that some cases probably wont need traced e.g. I assume hospital patients may not fall under serco contract. 

Some of the contract tracers are being assigned to each member of 1 family, so 5 family members in one household, 5 tracers, you couldn't make it up, private sector eh......

Its a bit like the private company doing the testing, they rolled up at facility to test its employees after an outbreak, tested everyone, then just lumped the testing into a pool with the rest of the town, so nobody knows which are which! 

I'm sure these private companies do some good, but thats just ineptitude on a massive scale, fits in with the government response to care homes, testing capacity, data.......

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From the FT, use of official numbers which the FT also points out that in the UK consistently makes forecasts/estimates which are far too optimistic.

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26 minutes ago, philipl said:

From the FT, use of official numbers which the FT also points out that in the UK consistently makes forecasts/estimates which are far too optimistic.

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which are the actual and which are the BoE? I can only see one set of figures for each area.

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1 hour ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

which are the actual and which are the BoE? I can only see one set of figures for each area.

Those are the BoE figures.

The FT points out elsewhere in the article that BoE forecast figures (2019 estimated actual) are typically 20% more optimistic than the outturn.

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Just another case of the Tories going it alone, they did the same when locking down the night before EID.

They ask for local support, they get local support, then sh1t on that local support and go it alone.

Shambles. 

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Preston will have restrictions on meeting in people's houses and gardens from midnight tonight. But not South Ribble.

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5 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

When did I give it credit?  Don't remember but happy to be proved wrong if you can find the evidence. Otherwise it's another example of you making things up.

 

On 20/03/2020 at 21:20, jim mk2 said:

First up, congratulations to the Conservatives for adopting a huge social and benefits programme at a time of national crisis. 

But don't tell them that. 

Next up...universal income

Vote Tory to save yourselves from socialism. Haha!! We live in weird times - we have socialism at last...........under a Tory government. 

 

I'm always here to help you out Jim. 👍

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9 hours ago, Gav said:

Just another case of the Tories going it alone, they did the same when locking down the night before EID.

They ask for local support, they get local support, then sh1t on that local support and go it alone.

Shambles. 

Its populism Gav, the new creed.

Say one thing in Westminster, say something different in your local constituency.

Tell everyone what they want to hear.

Oh---and blame Labour.

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13 hours ago, only2garners said:

Preston will have restrictions on meeting in people's houses and gardens from midnight tonight. But not South Ribble.

Yep, you can go to a packed pub where no one adheres to social distancing because they are hammered, but you can't go and sit in your Mum's garden and have a chat over a nice cup of tea.

That's the Tories for you. Utterly clueless. 

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If you live in one of the affected areas, in order to help prevent the spread of coronavirus, you must not:

a) Meet people you do not live with unless there is a cash register involved.

Made it simple for everyone

:P

 

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