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13 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

lets not re writing history again. he got 22 points from 15 games. That's over a season would have got us 67 points. He had a poor squad to play with. 

It's irrelevant how many points it would have got us over a season, the simple fact is he was tasked with the job of keeping us up with 15 games to play (32.5% of the season) and he failed. There are clubs who have been in similar or worse situations than 3 points adrift with 15 to play and have manged to stay up. 

 

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Poor Form? we are 11th in form table(last 6 games)

One point from our last 2 games is relegation form.

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1 minute ago, Ewood Ace said:

It's irrelevant how many points it would have got us over a season, the simple fact is he was tasked with the job of keeping us up with 15 games to play (32.5% of the season) and he failed. There are clubs who have been in similar or worse situations than 3 points adrift with 15 to play and have manged to stay up. 

 

One point from our last 2 games is relegation form.

Can’t tell if you’re being satirical but that is pretty funny 😂

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Just now, Inglorious basturk said:

When I’m enamoured with 11th place in a dorm table then it’s time to give up 

Is a dorm table, when the team is placed according to the degree to which the football sends us all to sleep?

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Just now, S8 & Blue said:

Can’t tell if you’re being satirical but that is pretty funny 😂

I'm simply highlighting how pointless form tables are as you spin them anyway. The only table that matters is the league table.

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3 hours ago, OnePhilT said:

Some time ago, when Bennett was idolised on here as a man of the people because he DOES care about the club, I asked if people were being sucked in a bit by his good social media skills (just to temper the enthusiasm), because I KNEW this day would arrive, whereby he'd become some sort of conspiring villain to stay in the team (which isn't the case anyway!). I think it says more about online behaviour by "supporters" than it does about Elliott Bennett who, while not the perfect player, clearly does put his all into the club and has done absolutely nothing to deserve some of the flack. Criticise, yes, but this "best mates with Mowbray" stuff and "sat on a wage" is bollocks and typical scapegoat-inventing.

Same with Richie Smallwood... After what he did for the team in League One, I thought he deserved a chance to show if he could do it a level higher. It turned out fairly quickly that he was off the pace, but going from King of Ewood to a "sponger of the club" is simply not a nice thing to say about somebody who, again, gives his best.

Same with Tony Mowbray... Do some people on here REALISE where the hell we were heading before he came in?! I seriously do not think the penny has dropped, and I often wince at what they must think after all of these guys have tried to their utmost to get us back to where we belong. Of course, after Owen Coyle was through with our club just three years ago and set us on a downward spiral to League One, I can certainly see how being in the top-half of the Championship today is not good enough and, well, "just f*ck off Mowbray"... 🤔 Be careful what you wish for, people.

I was right with you until that bit in bold.

Before he came in we were heading for relegation from the Championship and we needed Warnock. Instead we got Mowbray and relegation was assured.

He was then given the biggest budget in the division and got us back up at the first attempt. Kudos and he earned his chance in the Championship. He didn’t live up to the hype last season and (like Waggott with ST sales) didn’t make the most of the momentum we had. We have now slipped backward since last Summer and our squad is going to need a complete rebuild in the Summer and another full season to gel, then the season after to see if that rebuild has worked.

I don’t believe that this will be successful and I fear a second relegation. Not this season but next.

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14 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

He did the job he was to do against Fulham and, at Boro he did his defensive duties very well and that would have impressed the manager and his staff. That's he is willing to do the hard work defensive and not obsess with just his attacking play. 

Have you seen Chapman play for the under 23's this season? Ive seen him a couple of times, haven't impress me or his attitude. Others who have attend alot more than me have said similar things. We know that his attitude in training hasn't been impress the manager or that coaching staff. 

We have been over the transfer thing so we need to keep repeating daily?

Yes we did go for a couple of wingers but the finances weren't right. 

I agree on the Gallagher and his attitude/professionalism compare to Chapman

With Downing crossing ability play him wide. Never had pace. 

It never been effective tactic? didn't wide not use it last season and this season with Armstrong. Or in League 1 with Antonsson. Mowbray has us within the top half and a chance of playoff place this season so something must be working. 

No you aren't interested in facts that the players were sadly not right financial term wise or clubs/players wanted too much wage wise. We don't sign players without scouting them properly or would you rather just sign a player without knowing him properly cos an Agent recommend him. 

Yeah our attacking players shouldnt "obsess" about attacking duties!

Armstrong bar one month had an inconsistent and underwhelming season last season. His recent good form has been up front. Antonsson had a bit of a temporary hot spell then badly fizzled away post injury. But otherwise its not just last window  in which we have failed to sign competent wide men who naturally play there (Downing is best now centrally) and its really costing us now we are just devoid of options there.

Yeah we wouldnt want to sign a player for example for 7m based on a half decent performance against Derrick Williams in which the team he played for lost 1 nil! I would rather we scouted players that we could afford and had the competence and money to complete the deal.

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Just now, Ewood Ace said:

I'm simply highlighting how pointless form tables are as you spin them anyway. The only table that matters is the league table.

yes 6 points of the top 6. chance of top 6 and in the top half. 

last 4 games 7 points from it. 

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Interesting thought experiment to wonder if Colin W would have kept us up @Stuart but I feel it’s important to remind ourselves that we were abjectly, unforgivably dogbabb.

 

Will be a monumental collapse to see us back in that state.

Edited by S8 & Blue

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25 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

twice I think. Grabban or Watkins are offside alot more than Armstrong as been. 

Why cant I? cos you said so. 

Mowbray gave us a chance to survive and any other season we would have stay up. Yes Mowbray did get us up and it was very enjoyable season and I have some great memories from that season. I remember when people on here wanted him sacked after 10 games in that league 1 season

Poor Form? we are 11th in form table(last 6 games)

After a brief lapse following a win v Barnsley, you have reverted back to literally just being a soundboard for everything Mowbray does. Everything is defended and twisted even when there is no logic to it so theres no point continuing.

Mowbray failed to save us from relegation but then got us promoted. Cant accept the negative, only the positive.

Armstrong has been massively improved but has a flaw that needs improving. Cant accept the negative, only the positive. 

 

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8 minutes ago, S8 & Blue said:

Interesting thought experiment to wonder if Colin W would have kept us up @Stuart but I feel it’s important to remind ourselves that we were abjectly, unforgivably dogbabb.

 

Will be a monumental collapse to see us back in that state.

He’d have kept us up. They’d have been frightened to death.

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10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

yes 6 points of the top 6. chance of top 6 and in the top half. 



last 4 games 7 points from it. 

And we are also only 6 points of 17th and only 1 point of the bottom half.  Just 1 point from the last 2 games.

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8 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Yeah our attacking players shouldnt "obsess" about attacking duties!

Armstrong bar one month had an inconsistent and underwhelming season last season. His recent good form has been up front. Antonsson had a bit of a temporary hot spell then badly fizzled away post injury. But otherwise its not just last window  in which we have failed to sign competent wide men who naturally play there (Downing is best now centrally) and its really costing us now we are just devoid of options there.

Yeah we wouldnt want to sign a player for example for 7m based on a half decent performance against Derrick Williams in which the team he played for lost 1 nil! I would rather we scouted players that we could afford and had the competence and money to complete the deal.

I suggestion moving him up front after Dack injury. 

Depends on the info you are given at the time about the player you want. What happen if a player agent says the player is available for x amount but then when you put the bid the selling club wants 5 times the amount you bid. or The loan deal we have agreed with Chelsea for the player. wasn't down to us why it didn't happen

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47 minutes ago, Husky said:

I would like to see Chapman and some of the other usual non starters given a go.

Our season is over (well it was back in August to be fair) so we may as well give some game time to others.

 

If Chapman has thrown his toys out of the pram then I wouldn't want him anywhere near the squad. 

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Just now, chaddyrovers said:

I suggestion moving him up front after Dack injury. 

Depends on the info you are given at the time about the player you want. What happen if a player agent says the player is available for x amount but then when you put the bid the selling club wants 5 times the amount you bid. or The loan deal we have agreed with Chelsea for the player. wasn't down to us why it didn't happen

Not interested in excuses or hypothetical scenarios that you want to dream up. Move to different achievable targets. The neglect of the wide areas has been far longer than just this January window.

The Chelsea player was a right back too which was odd.

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6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

After a brief lapse following a win v Barnsley, you have reverted back to literally just being a soundboard for everything Mowbray does. Everything is defended and twisted even when there is no logic to it so theres no point continuing.

Mowbray failed to save us from relegation but then got us promoted. Cant accept the negative, only the positive.

Armstrong has been massively improved but has a flaw that needs improving. Cant accept the negative, only the positive. 

 

So Armstrong has massively improved? he has a flaw? being offside. probably cos he is the one that is looking to run in behind the defence. Suggest you look at Grabban or Watkins offside stats. If you think Armstrong has a flaw they have a major problem. Better get them in for extra training and fine them a week wages ;)

Twisted? 🤣

 

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5 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Not interested in excuses or hypothetical scenarios that you want to dream up. Move to different achievable targets. The neglect of the wide areas has been far longer than just this January window.

The Chelsea player was a right back too which was odd.

very easy when you aren't in recruitment and scouting department. Very easy to comment on fans message board. 

How do you it was Hypothetical scenario? 

No you are never interested in excuses when it doesn't suit your viewpoint but very quickly to used excuses when it come to Chapman tho

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3 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

I actually don’t mean the Screen Grabber. But some of the other ones (you’ll know who I mean as it’s re-tweet central).

Positivity is great, negativity is fine if that’s your bag too, everyone is entitled to a view

What annoys me is the tweets and posts that are obviously passive aggressive, purely sarcastic and lacking any real point other than to score points 

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20 minutes ago, Tom said:

Positivity is great, negativity is fine if that’s your bag too, everyone is entitled to a view

What annoys me is the tweets and posts that are obviously passive aggressive, purely sarcastic and lacking any real point other than to score points 

 

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2 hours ago, S8 & Blue said:

“Mowbray took us to League One” is completely disingenuous and sadly, you know it is.

What’s the point?

No one has said it's his fault we went down, the question was asked "Where were we headed when he took us over"? The answer was League 1 and the fact was stated that that is exactly where we ended up anyway!

Obviously there is context to that but those supporting Mowbray don't like context when it doesn't suit ie citing our League position after a win which might temporarily push us up a couple of places up the League. The fact we might be say tenth iin any given week is cited as irrefutable evidence of huge strides being made despite the fact we may be only three points off 15th or the football is dire or we've just had another disastrous transfer window etc.

The fact we might occupy  a respectable position in the League in any given week apparently stands on it's own and can't be challenged. But mention the fact that Mowbray failed in his initially assigned task of keeping us up, that raises howls of derision and has to be put into context!!

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1 hour ago, Stuart said:

Before he came in we were heading for relegation from the Championship and we needed Warnock. Instead we got Mowbray and relegation was assured.

We'd missed out on Warnock the summer before, when Coyle was (laughably but not in a funny way) preferred. It wasn't a choice between Warnock or Mowbray when Mowbray was appointed.

If we had got Warnock in instead of Coyle that summer (like Cardiff did), maybe we would have got promoted (like Cardiff did) not relegated that season, and we would all be none the wiser about Mowbray. But then isn't it just as likely that we would also have been relegated again (like Cardiff were) and currently sat in 8th place in the Championship, a whole 2 points ahead of where we currently find ourselves (like Cardiff are).

Imagine how dark it would be on here now if we were in Cardiff's position, having been in receipt of Premier League riches for a season plus 3 seasons of parachute payments ?! 

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Rankin-Costello injured now and will miss the Hull game! Something is very wrong to have all of these injuries. I’m convinced it’s a lack of fitness.

Even watching the players on the pitch at half time, they just doss about, having a laugh and a joke. In Brezza’s case, he needs to stand a bit closer to his team mate when passing the ball. His lack of accuracy is badly exposed when he tries pinging it across the pitch.

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3 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

No one has said it's his fault we went down, the question was asked "Where were we headed when he took us over"? The answer was League 1 and the fact was stated that that is exactly where we ended up anyway!

Obviously there is context to that but those supporting Mowbray don't like context when it doesn't suit ie citing our League position after a win which might temporarily push us up a couple of places up the League. The fact we might be say tenth iin any given week is cited as irrefutable evidence of huge strides being made despite the fact we may be only three points off 15th or the football is dire or we've just had another disastrous transfer window etc.

The fact we might occupy  a respectable position in the League in any given week apparently stands on it's own and can't be challenged. But mention the fact that Mowbray failed in his initially assigned task of keeping us up, that raises howls of derision and has to be put into context!!

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

I think a few of us remember the situation very differently is all.

You know, with context.

Talking tosh about our relegation and justifying it with “well we are only TEMPORARILY 10th you hypocrites” does betray the starting position and intention a little.

 

Meh. Bring back Kean.

At least we ALL hated him.

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