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2 hours ago, alex l said:

Denis Irwin, Javier Zanetti and Paulo Maldini all played a considerable number of games as right footed left backs, regarded as at least world class and with the latter 2 I'd say genuine legends of the game. Not a problem having a left back be right footed as long as a)they know how to effectively play the position and b) have a moderate left foot

The attacking ability of full backs was less important then. Obviously those 3 brought a threat going forwards because they were world class. But one of the main reason wingers playing on the 'opposite' side works is because its balanced out by having a full back who can whip in a cross with their stronger foot. Most obvious modern day example being liverpool with salah/trent and mane/Robertson. Which is very similar to what Mowbray has been trying to do tactically since Dacks injury. Imagine how much more potent our left side would be if Armstrong who fits the mould well, had a full back to knock the ball back too when he hits a dead end, and said full back could whip a quality delivery in first time.

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Lenihen is growing into a steady solid basic second tier defender who can serve us in the position for a number of years if they don't sell him. What we need is to marry him up with similar and get a decent keeper behind them to give us that reliable base season in season out.

Seems they'd prefer to loan in ball playing center backs though who can launch a pass over a static deep sitting midfield. At this level that usually comes at the cost of that player not being as good defensively as he might be with the ball. That's the gamble, give me no frills defenders who can do the basics well over that any day of the week.

Concentrate on getting in those who can create further up the park this is the championship remember.

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I like JRC and think he is an exciting prospect. He certainly appears to have natural ability and a forward thinking attitude, and doesn't seem afraid of getting into dangerous positions and taking responsibility for a shot.

However I don't think I've seen much to indicate creativity. His pass for Gallagher at Sheff Wed was sublime though. I'm hoping to see more of him in a more naturally attacking role next season and all power to him; he seems like a swashbuckling up n downer type to me rather than someone blessed with creative wizardry.

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When you rise through the ranks it affords you a bit of breathing space and quite rightly. It won't last forever but i think if you read around on here most see Lenihen for what he is.  He has limitations and stuff to improve on but overall he's average to good, potential to be solid but unspectacular.

Reading of the game is a weak point of Nyambe and in particular Bell but surely it comes with age and games.

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4 hours ago, alex l said:

Denis Irwin, Javier Zanetti and Paulo Maldini all played a considerable number of games as right footed left backs, regarded as at least world class and with the latter 2 I'd say genuine legends of the game. Not a problem having a left back be right footed as long as a)they know how to effectively play the position and b) have a moderate left foot

They need to be better than moderate with their left foot otherwise they're coming inside all the time and congesting play.

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This guy has 74 followers, so 99% of this is probably incorrect. But I will post it anyway since there is not much else going on. Silly season isn't it? 🤷‍♂️

 

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9 hours ago, WacoRover said:

Yes, Duffy played abysmally in one game in a Rovers shirt. But, Dann, Duffy, Hanley, all were excellent players at Championship level, and have proven their worth in PL. Trashing them today makes no sense, obviously all are on backside of their careers now.  

Dann & Hanley were with Rovers when I first became a fan; Dann scored the 1st Rovers goal I ever saw on TV, in FA Cup match at Ewood vs ManCity. 

Jesus you only started supporting us when we had Dann & Hanley?! You poor fucker 

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22 minutes ago, tomphil said:

When you rise through the ranks it affords you a bit of breathing space and quite rightly. It won't last forever but i think if you read around on here most see Lenihen for what he is.  He has limitations and stuff to improve on but overall he's average to good, potential to be solid but unspectacular.

Reading of the game is a weak point of Nyambe and in particular Bell but surely it comes with age and games.

Some players never wise up ie Jones at Man Utd, he's still making the same mistakes as he was at 17. Then you get the likes of Wayne Rooney who knew all you need to know at 17.

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3 minutes ago, Swanson said:

This guy has 74 followers, so 99% of this is probably incorrect. But I will post it anyway since there is not much else going on. Silly season isn't it? 🤷‍♂️

 

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I'd have Etheridge and Chester tbf.

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13 minutes ago, Swanson said:

This guy has 74 followers, so 99% of this is probably incorrect. But I will post it anyway since there is not much else going on. Silly season isn't it? 🤷‍♂️

 

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Etheridge would be a shrewd purchase but I suspect there are 3 million reasons why this tweet ain't true.......unless the first tweet is also true. [the rumour earlier in the week about a bid on the table of 10 mill possbily leads that the first one could be true]

James Chester I can take it or leave it if true 

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Do we know the budget yet? Can't take any rumours seriously until we know 

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Won’t quote everyone as I’m on my phone and it’s a nightmare to do.
 

But I think the double standards when discussing Joe Rankin-Costello vs discussions about Scott Wharton are astounding. Maybe it’s simply a case of one is local and the other is a former United player?

I showed that goal because bending a curling “Armstrong like” goal in from that kind of range isn’t affected in any way by the level you’re playing at. He has an excellent goals and assists record in the U23’s.

JRC has played six or seven times the amount of games for our first team than Scott Wharton has, and seems to be judged VERY harshly despite some good performances. Wharton is discussed as a completely viable option for our defence despite never playing a Championship game for us at CB 🤯.

Either it genuinely is the, “stick up for the local lad” thing, or people are just that desperate to plug a hole in our defence.

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Armstrong to Watford - could see Watford being interested in a guy who's had a good Championship season.

Chester - would be a good signing.  Sadly, if Stoke and PNE also interested, don't think we'll be at the races.

Etheridge - IMO, finance wise, way out of our league.  As I've said before, think the bottom line is Mowbray needs to bring in a minimum of £10million in fees and save £5million+ on wages.

I don't even think we are shopping at Home Bargains but sadly trawling the soup kitchens! 

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3 minutes ago, JoeH said:

Won’t quote everyone as I’m on my phone and it’s a nightmare to do.
 

But I think the double standards when discussing Joe Rankin-Costello vs discussions about Scott Wharton are astounding. Maybe it’s simply a case of one is local and the other is a former United player?

I showed that goal because bending a curling “Armstrong like” goal in from that kind of range isn’t affected in any way by the level you’re playing at. He has an excellent goals and assists record in the U23’s.

JRC has played six or seven times the amount of games for our first team than Scott Wharton has, and seems to be judged VERY harshly despite some good performances. Wharton is discussed as a completely viable option for our defence despite never playing a Championship game for us at CB 🤯.

Either it genuinely is the, “stick up for the local lad” thing, or people are just that desperate to plug a hole in our defence.

It looks to me more like JRC is being touted for the first team PROVIDED it's in his correct position (down the right), while Wharton is seen as a back up option in defence.

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21 minutes ago, JoeH said:

Won’t quote everyone as I’m on my phone and it’s a nightmare to do.
 

But I think the double standards when discussing Joe Rankin-Costello vs discussions about Scott Wharton are astounding. Maybe it’s simply a case of one is local and the other is a former United player?

I showed that goal because bending a curling “Armstrong like” goal in from that kind of range isn’t affected in any way by the level you’re playing at. He has an excellent goals and assists record in the U23’s.

JRC has played six or seven times the amount of games for our first team than Scott Wharton has, and seems to be judged VERY harshly despite some good performances. Wharton is discussed as a completely viable option for our defence despite never playing a Championship game for us at CB 🤯.

Wharton actually played against Burton in the championship under Coyle. Dont think he's made a league appearance since though.

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4 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Wharton actually played against Burton in the championship under Coyle. Dont think he's made a league appearance since though.

Ah, one then not zero. Thankfully missed that fixture.

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5 hours ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

A young lad being criticised because he's been thrown in to the first team, acquitted himself well in a unfamiliar position and has shown obvious potential.

'Yeah, but, he only scored a great goal in the U23's so that proves nothing'  FFS!

How is he being criticised? Jesus christ. Ability shown in the under 23s is reason to be excited to an extent but also it doesnt always equate to players making the step up. i Look at Nuttall as an example, scoring every week for the u23s, not up to it for the first team. I am not saying that will happen to Rankin Costello.

3 hours ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Goals were the same size in both standards of football last time I checked Hoochie. If that had Ederson in goal it wasn’t being saved. Terrific goal and the technique to bend it out and then in was fantastic. 
 

Alas, our resident expert considers him hesitant and nothing special technically though. Thank fuck he isn’t our scout because his ability to spot a player is about as non-existent as the hesitancy in JRCs game.

Am I the "resident expert" you mention? If not, apologies but if so you can shove your insults up your arse.

If so, I have based my analysis on first team football ie where it matters. I dont think hes stood out, equally he has not looked out of place and I have acknowledged repeatedly that he has not been played in his correct position and indeed asked for him to be played in his correct position where I am hopeful that he would really impress as I am fearful that he will be seen by the manager as a utility player. 

In his first team games when he approached the penalty box he at times was a little indecisive and his crosses in the main were overhit. Theres no point pretending otherwise just because he is a young lad but equally I repeatedly acknowledge that id like to see him play in his correct position and that he did ok. Is that an unfair witchhunt or indeed constructive criticism.

55 minutes ago, JoeH said:

Won’t quote everyone as I’m on my phone and it’s a nightmare to do.
 

But I think the double standards when discussing Joe Rankin-Costello vs discussions about Scott Wharton are astounding. Maybe it’s simply a case of one is local and the other is a former United player?

I showed that goal because bending a curling “Armstrong like” goal in from that kind of range isn’t affected in any way by the level you’re playing at. He has an excellent goals and assists record in the U23’s.

JRC has played six or seven times the amount of games for our first team than Scott Wharton has, and seems to be judged VERY harshly despite some good performances. Wharton is discussed as a completely viable option for our defence despite never playing a Championship game for us at CB 🤯.

Either it genuinely is the, “stick up for the local lad” thing, or people are just that desperate to plug a hole in our defence.

Why would one being local and one being from United matter?! Conspiracy theory. Lowe was local, Travis came from elsewhere, look how they were rated.

I dont know if it is because you attend the u23 games but you seem to consider performances for them as more important than League performances. Wharton hasnt from the sound of it been competent at League 2 level, he has stood out. That doesnt seem to mean anything at all. Rankin Costello has impressed playing with and against other kids and done ok in an unfamiliar position so far in the Championship.

People at most are asking Wharton to be in an around the squad in a weak area. Exactly where Rankin Costello is.

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Any chance we still have a sell-on attached to Duffy? Sounds like Brighton will be looking to sell him.

I'd assume King will be leaving Bournemouth and I think it was confirmed we have a sell-on clause for him.

Add in further payment from Brentford for Raya if they get promoted (I think I saw the LT mention that recently), and that could be a decent amount incoming for previously sold players...

While I'm at it on sell-ons, going by the terms of the tribunal decision, just noticed we would've gotten 20% of the profit on Mahoney's transfers to Millwall last summer, so £135,000 (if the reported £1.1m fee is to be believed). Hurray!

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13 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

 

I havent seen much in his appearances to make me excited, seems quite slow, at times fairly hesitant and nothing special technically.

 

Just now, roversfan99 said:

How is he being criticised? Jesus christ.

Seems fairly critical to me. And inaccurate. 

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Funny old game!

I remember rejoicing, watching United and Phil Jones at Sunderland, after the final whistle, getting the news that they had lost the league right at the death.

Then, I realised that the result meant Rovers losing out on a further £1 million, as part of our original sale!

Didn't quite stop my joy, though!

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Just now, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

 

Seems fairly critical to me. And inaccurate. 

If I had said these things and concluded that hes no good and has no hope then it would be fair to say that i was being overly critical. I dont think he is that fast but then again i have never seen anyone claim that he is. Technically, competent enough but has he stood out? No. Will playing at left back help? No. And there have been a few occasions where he has dithered when he has had the ball in the final third, in particular v Fulham which might have been a bit of home debut stage fright, and v Luton in the first half when we had them pinned in for a bit.

Can only base on what I have seen in the first team. Maybe he was initially a little overawed as he has grown into it a little but hes definitely not a left back. 

Ive also acknowledged his best performance at Cardiff when he went on a good run at the start and also his pass for the goal at Hillsbrough. Not ruling him out, not dismissing playing out of position, equally not going to exaggerate to make out that hes stood out. Hope to see him on the left wing where Mowbray thinks he is best.

 

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12 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

If I had said these things and concluded that hes no good and has no hope then it would be fair to say that i was being overly critical. I dont think he is that fast but then again i have never seen anyone claim that he is. Technically, competent enough but has he stood out? No. Will playing at left back help? No. And there have been a few occasions where he has dithered when he has had the ball in the final third, in particular v Fulham which might have been a bit of home debut stage fright, and v Luton in the first half when we had them pinned in for a bit.

Can only base on what I have seen in the first team. Maybe he was initially a little overawed as he has grown into it a little but hes definitely not a left back. 

Ive also acknowledged his best performance at Cardiff when he went on a good run at the start and also his pass for the goal at Hillsbrough. Not ruling him out, not dismissing playing out of position, equally not going to exaggerate to make out that hes stood out. Hope to see him on the left wing where Mowbray thinks he is best.

 

Without being too much of a contrarian I would argue that having a few games at left back would give a would be attacking player some knowledge of the pluses and minuses of what playing at full back entails. If the lad has football intelligence a short spell there won't have been wasted and he may use what he has learnt to his advantage.

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3 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Without being too much of a contrarian I would argue that having a few games at left back would give a would be attacking player some knowledge of the pluses and minuses of what playing at full back entails. If the lad has football intelligence a short spell there won't have been wasted and he may use what he has learnt to his advantage.

My footy coach made me a much better defender by sticking me in goal for a few games.

I knew what my keeper needed from me after that.

Similarly JRC could learn where best to meet cross-field balls, or the impact on LB of his natural position losing possession etc. Plenty to learn.

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