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1 hour ago, tomphil said:

I think that's because it probably comes from the football budget set and supplied by the owners. Plenty will milk that for all it's worth.

The rest i.e STs etc are allegedly for stuff outside of the playing side like the ground and staff so there's probably bugger all left in that.

You could be right but knowing the club are in dire straits (according to club communications) somebody should have had the gumption to stop the chartered flight and use a couple of coaches. That would have represented a £20k saving which could have been used on plenty of other more pressing things.

Ultimately all spend goes on the bottom line.

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3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

or even better don't say anything and focus on making signings.

Errrr..... what signings are these exactly?

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6 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Errrr..... what signings are these exactly?

Rev, most players and agents are holiday currently. 

Just be patient and time. Seasons on 12th September and the window is open longer this summer

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3 hours ago, arbitro said:

I am still having dialogue with them about reimbursements for season ticket holders who couldn't or didn't want to take up the iFollow option. Their latest reply gives some information about season tickets etc. Here is their reply (I received this last week btw):

Dear Mr Leake

 Thank you for your patience in awaiting a response to your enquiry, as always, your continued support is incredibly valuable to the club and we appreciate that this is a difficult time for all.

 As mentioned, the inability to facilitate supporters attending games within the stadium has had a serious detrimental effect on the finances of the club. We greatly appreciate the support that many supporters have shown in understanding these difficult circumstances and taking up our offer of streaming the final nine matches of the season. Together we can ensure that the club remains on an even footing and push toward realising our collective goals both on and off the pitch as #OneRoversTogether

 Now the 2019-20 Sky Bet Championship season has reached its culmination we are now swiftly turning our attention to putting preparations in place for next season and - more pressingly - what our ticket offering will be.

 We are sure to be facing many challenges to facilitate supporters returning to stadia and are yet to hear what restrictions may still be in place by that time. Once we have some clarity on this, we will be able to adapt our pricing and strategy accordingly and in turn further advise on a benefit to the issue you have raised in regards to possible compensation.

 We thank you for your understanding at this time and will be releasing details in regards to future ticketing as soon as we can.

Kind Regards

Ticket Office

Extremely worrying. Looks like we can't afford refunds for people that want them and are just robbing people off with various excuses.

So to summarise:

- According to the manager, no news or at least no clarity on a budget for next season

- Season ticket holders who want them can't have relatively small refunds for the latter part of last season

- We can't be bothered signing anyone up for some sort of season ticket package for next season

- As of the end of July the owners stopped topping up the wages of furloughed employees 

Hmm..... it's not looking too good imo.

 

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Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Rev, most players and agents are holiday currently. 

Just be patient and time. Seasons on 12th September and the window is open longer this summer

Hope your optimism is well placed chaddy.

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To be fair Simon that email does not mention anything about fans who wanted money back nor does it say they cannot afford to repay it!

has anyone on here asked for a refund? Has anyone proper evidence of the club saying they cannot afford to repay money?

A chap with your background should know about speculating, presuming and assuming without facts.

 

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Posted (edited)

‘On their holidays’. Didn’t realise it was 1990? Hopefully TM’s hotel has a phone he can use...

Edited by Mattyblue

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Agents on holiday during a transfer window ?

Really ? !

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Chaddy first tells us not to worry as pre-season is two weeks away. Then he tells us not to worry because the season start is way off. According to chaddy nothing has happened because everyone is on their holidays.I wonder how long he'll stick to that excuse. I wonder how other clubs have managed to make signings in such circumstances. How for example did our transfer out of Matty Platt get done? The club's policy is 'even better don't say anything'.

Perhaps chaddy can tell us:

if Mowbray now knows his transfer budget

if he believes any players will be signed before pre-season starts

if we have to sell players before we can bring anyone in

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43 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

‘On their holidays’. Didn’t realise it was 1990? Hopefully TM’s hotel has a phone he can use...

No, it may have an old dial up fax machine though.

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29 minutes ago, 1864roverite said:

To be fair Simon that email does not mention anything about fans who wanted money back nor does it say they cannot afford to repay it!

has anyone on here asked for a refund? Has anyone proper evidence of the club saying they cannot afford to repay money?

A chap with your background should know about speculating, presuming and assuming without facts.

 

You must have read that differently to me then 1864, I read it as refunds were not an option and the only way you would be able to get any satisfaction would be in the way of some form of credit note against next season.

If we ever decide what we're doing for next season that is.

It would be interesting if someone pressed it and said they want a refund now for last season and are not interested at this point in a credit note against next season, they will make their purchase decision for next season from scratch then. 

And see what the Club say.

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Can just see Mowbray on Redcar beach waiting for his Nokia 3310 to ring.

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1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Extremely worrying. Looks like we can't afford refunds for people that want them and are just robbing people off with various excuses.

So to summarise:

- According to the manager, no news or at least no clarity on a budget for next season

- Season ticket holders who want them can't have relatively small refunds for the latter part of last season

- We can't be bothered signing anyone up for some sort of season ticket package for next season

- As of the end of July the owners stopped topping up the wages of furloughed employees 

Hmm..... it's not looking too good imo.

 

Rev - based on current COVID position - what would your suggestion be for a ST offer ?

I am genuinely interested - because I really struggle to think how they could structure it with everything so up in the air. The only thing I can think is one structured similar to the end of the season - i.e. ground closed to fans you get an iFollow pass for that match. Ground open - you are free to attend - but probably with social distancing (though they could be imaginative with family/friend bubbles - but that would take a bit of IT planning.). That would probably take some planning with both the FL and iFollow (they may even be looking into alternatives to iFollow)

Obviously that wouldn't suit those fans that can't (for whatever reason) get access to iFollow. For existing ST holders in that position - you could offer a season ticket for 10 matches - if we had more than 10 matches with fans in attendance - they would get priority for their own seat and at a reduced price. 

With regard budget - did Rovers not ask about a temporary half to fair play rules - maybe they are waiting on this ? I would imagine (with our current loss in revenue) we will surely break FFP rules this season without some form of player sale or relaxation of the rules..

With regard refunds - though everyone's financial circumstances are different - even before the iFollow offer, getting a refund never really crossed my mind. I suppose it depends on perspective - I see my ST paying for ground staff etc - not in anyway lining the pockets of our owners etc.

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1 hour ago, 1864roverite said:

To be fair Simon that email does not mention anything about fans who wanted money back nor does it say they cannot afford to repay it!

has anyone on here asked for a refund? Has anyone proper evidence of the club saying they cannot afford to repay money?

A chap with your background should know about speculating, presuming and assuming without facts.

 

The email was a response to those asking for an update on a refund

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I suppose what I’m saying from a personal point of view is that I’d be willing to pay for a full season ticket (imagine crowds were allowed as normal), then use a streaming link while it is still behind closed doors. 
Then there could be tiers of what fans could choose- I.E a streaming one for now, or no streams and then when fans are allowed in, to be able to attend matches. 
(With different costs, obviously).

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37 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

You must have read that differently to me then 1864, I read it as refunds were not an option and the only way you would be able to get any satisfaction would be in the way of some form of credit note against next season.

If we ever decide what we're doing for next season that is.

It would be interesting if someone pressed it and said they want a refund now for last season and are not interested at this point in a credit note against next season, they will make their purchase decision for next season from scratch then. 

And see what the Club say.

The longer the inertia and lack of communication continues the more likely it is that people will get sick and fed up and either request/demand something back or failing that will simply refuse to buy one next year and be lost.

That is why it was so important for the issue to be thoroughly and competently addressed from the word go with clear options set out and a way of deferring compensation towards future tickets, those that we still haven't bothered putting on sale.

Anyhow, transfers. Id be amazed if Mowbray knew or had a budget by now. I suspect he had about 4 days after the season finished to tidy up before having a few weeks off before pre season. 

Waggott has done a disappearing act i believe because he is as in the dark as the rest of us but.doesnt want to be caught out admitting it so is just hiding away until instructions come through.

I do pity those who think signings are imminent. It ain't happening folks.

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14 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

I suppose what I’m saying from a personal point of view is that I’d be willing to pay for a full season ticket (imagine crowds were allowed as normal), then use a streaming link while it is still behind closed doors. 
Then there could be tiers of what fans could choose- I.E a streaming one for now, or no streams and then when fans are allowed in, to be able to attend matches. 
 

I’ll be paying for my ticket come what may. The club needs its supporters to do their one main job more than ever.

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Just now, JHRover said:

The longer the inertia and lack of communication continues the more likely it is that people will get sick and fed up and either request/demand something back or failing that will simply refuse to buy one next year and be lost.

That is why it was so important for the issue to be thoroughly and competently addressed from the word go with clear options set out and a way of deferring compensation towards future tickets, those that we still haven't bothered putting on sale.

Anyhow, transfers. Id be amazed if Mowbray knew or had a budget by now. I suspect he had about 4 days after the season finished to tidy up before having a few weeks off before pre season. 

Waggott has done a disappearing act i believe because he is as in the dark as the rest of us but.doesnt want to be caught out admitting it so is just hiding away until instructions come through.

I do pity those who think signings are imminent. It ain't happening folks.

There’s people on here who have provided first hand info that we do have a budget and are making moves.

So either you’re saying those people are lying, you’ve been lay under a rock for the last week or you’re on the wind up? Which is it? 

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7 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

There’s people on here who have provided first hand info that we do have a budget and are making moves.

So either you’re saying those people are lying, you’ve been lay under a rock for the last week or you’re on the wind up? Which is it? 

Or he's looked at the previous 8 yrs and made up his own mind? 

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8 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

There’s people on here who have provided first hand info that we do have a budget and are making moves.

So either you’re saying those people are lying, you’ve been lay under a rock for the last week or you’re on the wind up? Which is it? 

To be fair, we don’t know any of these people from Adam, so they could well be posting duff information. As much as any of us might want these things to be true, there’s a chance they might not be....

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1 minute ago, Paul Mani said:

I’ll be paying for my ticket come what may. The club needs its supporters to do their one main job more than ever.

On the flip side, the responsibility shouldnt be piled on the supporters. Some may not feel the value or the point and that is fair enough. Some may not be in a financial position to be able to in these tough times which is understandable. Some may have safety fears or be vulnerable which again is totally fine. And some fans less committed than us 2 and others on here wont be as desperate to renew, which is fair enough, nothing wrong with that, I dont feel 100% comfortable with such a mentality to be honest, the club has gone down the route of "are you committed" enough in the last couple of years and missed sales targets because its not conducive to establishing a good relationship with fans, especially outside of the hardcore.

But you are further proof that there is scope there for the club to get some income in now to help with cash flow.

The main point is that some fans are clearly willing to buy a season ticket in spite of the unavoidable uncertainty, because guarantees can not be given, nor can they at any point in the near future really. Surely the club should use that to get some income in?

Just now, Paul Mani said:

There’s people on here who have provided first hand info that we do have a budget and are making moves.

So either you’re saying those people are lying, you’ve been lay under a rock for the last week or you’re on the wind up? Which is it? 

It doesnt mean that these people are lying. Even if people are genuinely passing on information that they have heard, it doesnt mean that the information is true. Some will be passed on in good faith but wrong, some will be totally made up, maybe a small part will be true. Its silly season. Believing everything you read by anonymous posters on an internet messageboard would be very naive IMO.

And even if it is true, for example if Whiteman has been told that Mowbray has money to spend, that might all be part of the game to try and lure him in.

I am very much in the believe it when I see it mindset in terms of us having a budget (cant remember the supposed phrase for it in the meeting) or being proactive in making moves. Sounds like everyone is on their jollies and it wouldnt surprise me if the budget is still up in the air. Plus crucially we know what Venkys are like. Would be pleasantly surprised mind you if we signed someone anytime soon or indeed spent a decent amount without major sales!

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9 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

To be fair, we don’t know any of these people from Adam, so they could well be posting duff information. As much as any of us might want these things to be true, there’s a chance they might not be....

Cheek, Ive  been on here since the early 2000s in one form or another 😁

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Just now, Sparks Rover said:

Cheek, Ive  been on here since the early 2000s in one form or another 😁

I meant personally, don’t be so sensitive 😏.

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