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1 hour ago, alex l said:

Yet when he was with us he made errors, wasn't dominant enough...some short memories have just been reminded. 

Coaching better at Brentford? Possibility?

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2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

The window has been open for a week. Alot of Players are away on Holiday as you can see from their social media posts on different sites. 

You say this every year!

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Brentford fans seem to really rate Raya and they just missed out on automatic promotion. He certainly had his weaknesses and was prone to a blunder but to still not have a permanent replacement (or a stronger defence) after a sale like that is criminal.

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2 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

Standard Raya - Sublime to the ridiculous 

Yes, we're so much better off with no-one.

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@chaddyroversThanks for confirming that everyone involved at the club with transfers has gone on holiday.My apologies for not qualifying my 'everyone'. You've said that you don't know, if Mowbray knows his budget. You hope the club will issue a statement clarifying this.

Do you think we'll sign anyone before pre-season starts? Do we have to sell before we can sign anyone?

@Paul Mani tells us that Venkys always put money in. @arbitro  posted a response he'd had from the Ticket Office describing the club as 'cash-strapped'. Another poster wrote that Venkys had stopped topping up the wages of furloughed staff as from the beginning of August. How much are our trade creditors now owed? How much is the State Bank of India owed? Why then has no attempt been made to raise funds from the sale of season tickets?@J H Rover has been attempting to get the community to question the non-sale of season tickets only to be poo-poohed. 

There is an attempt to make things look normal. Talking to a player. Enquiring about others. Allegedly making bids for players. A facade of normalcy. Yet, were things normal, there'd be staggered holidays so that business can occur. I'm wondering, if the proverbial fat lady is about to sing.

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5 hours ago, DavidMailsTightPerm said:

Rev - based on current COVID position - what would your suggestion be for a ST offer ?

I am genuinely interested - because I really struggle to think how they could structure it with everything so up in the air. The only thing I can think is one structured similar to the end of the season - i.e. ground closed to fans you get an iFollow pass for that match. Ground open - you are free to attend - but probably with social distancing (though they could be imaginative with family/friend bubbles - but that would take a bit of IT planning.). That would probably take some planning with both the FL and iFollow (they may even be looking into alternatives to iFollow)

Obviously that wouldn't suit those fans that can't (for whatever reason) get access to iFollow. For existing ST holders in that position - you could offer a season ticket for 10 matches - if we had more than 10 matches with fans in attendance - they would get priority for their own seat and at a reduced price. 

With regard budget - did Rovers not ask about a temporary half to fair play rules - maybe they are waiting on this ? I would imagine (with our current loss in revenue) we will surely break FFP rules this season without some form of player sale or relaxation of the rules..

With regard refunds - though everyone's financial circumstances are different - even before the iFollow offer, getting a refund never really crossed my mind. I suppose it depends on perspective - I see my ST paying for ground staff etc - not in anyway lining the pockets of our owners etc.

I posted last night what I would have done, it seems extremely obvious to me - get people signed up on direct debit at a lower rate commensurate with watching the early part of the season on I follow  (say half the rate of a normal season ticket)  and adjust the payments back to a normal rate once fans are allowed back in the ground.

We're probably one of a relatively small number of Clubs who shouldn't have to worry too much in the sense that more or less everyone who wants a ST should still be able to get one even with restricted capacity so I really can't see why we haven't rolled out some sort of scheme. It would have provided  an element of cashflow and I think there is a real danger the longer people go without hearing anything , they'll lose interest and not bother renewing.

Even if you signed people up for a pound a month initially while nothing is happening, they're committed for later on when things get back to near normality and have to take positive action to cancel if they're not happy with the price or what's on offer.

Even that would be better than doing nothing and leaving things up in the air indefinitely wondering whether anyone will eventually come back.

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17 minutes ago, Richard Oakley said:

I'm wondering, if the proverbial fat lady is about to sing.

That's the feeling I'm getting in my water as well, albeit with absolutely nothing definitive to back it up.

Hope I'm completely wrong.

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6 hours ago, 47er said:

Coaching better at Brentford? Possibility?

Based on the freekick I wouldn't say so. Had he done that in our shirt, particularly in a playoff final, I dread to think how some on here would react. Along the lines of "should have sold him to Brentford for £1m" perhaps. 

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6 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Yes, we're so much better off with no-one.

But we didn’t have no one...or at least I don’t remember starting a league game without a keeper in goal? Moreover whether you like it or not, the new incumbent had more clean sheets than his predecessor, Raya.

The truth is, the post about Raya isn’t about Walton, or us. It’s about Raya and ‘that’ goal last night giving me a flashback to the time he was here when he would make a world class save before promptly handing the opposition a goal out of nothing.

David Raya - from the sublime to the ridiculous. 

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10 from 41 for Raya in 2018/19, 12 from 46 for Walton, so. So a near percentage dead heat. And of course, Walton had a more settled/generally better quality centre half partnership in front of him -  Raya has just won the golden glove award for Championship clean sheets - so perhaps the poor defence he was behind here might have something to do with it? See we can all spin stats!

End of the day was selling our promising but error prone keeper for a couple of million (the proof will be in what Brentford sell him for) just to loan in players as poor and even more error prone as Walton a good move? And now just weeks away from a new season we’ve 0 first team keepers on the books, seems poor planning to me.
 

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8 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

I don’t know mate. I thought we signed two didn’t we?
 

But either way, that line is as boring tonight as it was last night and the night before that etc 👍🏼

And so is Mowbrays  disregard for permanent signings in key positions which have bitten us in the ass time and again . 
Boring it might be but they were his words not ours .

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1 hour ago, alex l said:

Based on the freekick I wouldn't say so. Had he done that in our shirt, particularly in a playoff final, I dread to think how some on here would react. Along the lines of "should have sold him to Brentford for £1m" perhaps. 

No——thinking of the 2nd “semi”, Raya came off his line and confidently took a cross on the 6 yard line, both hands, and gripped it like his life depended on it.

Then there was a good save, he threw it out immediately to the right-back whose through ball led to a goal. Very impressive I thought.

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Posted (edited)

I think the standard of goalkeeping is very poor in the championship ....

To much emphasis on passing the ball then stopping the other side from scoring...

Raya can make worldie saves , which helps ..

Edited by Waggy76

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Hi all I'm more of a read it not comment kind of guy BUT......... the rewriting of the raya history has me very perplexed, the guy could not kick out a ball from goal without it going out of play, catch a simple cross or even see a simple pass when with us. I for one was over the moon when we sold him ( yes yes it left us with nothing ) his change in play is a clear indication we really need a better goalkeeper coach FACT. ( or he wanted to go that much he made mistakes) 

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10 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

Yep, let’s assume that all these fully grown men are lying. Makes sense 👍🏼

Edit - Tbf at least you’ve been honest enough to admit that you think the posters are lying though. 

Come on now, you’re better than that. 

You’re muddying the waters by inferring that I believe the posters in questions are lying. 
That’s nothing like what I was saying and you know it. I was saying that people shouldn’t hang on the word of someone they’ve ever met that posts on an online forum.
 

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7 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I posted last night what I would have done, it seems extremely obvious to me - get people signed up on direct debit at a lower rate commensurate with watching the early part of the season on I follow  (say half the rate of a normal season ticket)  and adjust the payments back to a normal rate once fans are allowed back in the ground.

We're probably one of a relatively small number of Clubs who shouldn't have to worry too much in the sense that more or less everyone who wants a ST should still be able to get one even with restricted capacity so I really can't see why we haven't rolled out some sort of scheme. It would have provided  an element of cashflow and I think there is a real danger the longer people go without hearing anything , they'll lose interest and not bother renewing.

Even if you signed people up for a pound a month initially while nothing is happening, they're committed for later on when things get back to near normality and have to take positive action to cancel if they're not happy with the price or what's on offer.

Even that would be better than doing nothing and leaving things up in the air indefinitely wondering whether anyone will eventually come back.

Can’t you understand though why the club are being cautious? We have no idea if fans will be allowed in stadiums at all next season, especially with a second peak expected over autumn. 
 

I accept that it’s possible to have some form of token season ticket rolled out that could cover a couple of situations but surely it will simply cause more logistical headaches down the line? We saw how challenging it was to get ST holders free access to iFollow in June.
 

I have no idea why the club have been historically slow to release ST details (or kits for that matter) but I don’t blame them this time. They’re damned either way.

 

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Northampton Town

We are pleased to announce the signing of goalkeeper

Jonathan Mitchell on a season-long loan from Derby County. Welcome to the Cobblers, Jonathan!

 

Northampton sign keeper. Could be sign Cornell about to move on

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Posted (edited)

All angles covered here by Mowbray - think it's clear we will be running a surplus of transfer fees this pre season:

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/18628620.rovers-summer-plans-wont-revolve-around-losing-key-men/

Sharpe writes:

Tony Mowbray admits his side are in something of a transition phase as they require strengthening in several areas ahead of next season. A new No.1 and central defender are top of the priority list with just 38 days until the 2020/21 season.

Evolution, slow build, transition - IMO, it's all feckin bullsh1t.  Think we have an unbalanced squad, in the main low on quality, with gaping holes in key areas.  IMO, we are way behind where we should be and it's as a result of Mowbray's gross mismanagement in player trading.

IMO, we need a bright, hungry, innovative young manager who has a plan and stamps their identity on their team in the way Arteta, Lampard and Parker have.  All these guys have been in post 12 months or less but their teams clearly have an identity and know what they are doing.  Contrast with Mowbray's three and a half year of evolution, slow build and transition - I think it's a p!ss taker!

 

Edited by Mercer

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‘In transition’, not surprising when we are loaning in a centre half, left back and keeper every season...

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9 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

I've just watched two bang average teams battle it out bore me to tears for 120 minutes for a £160m prize

Oh come on! It's a play off final, they're always cagey affairs no matter who plays in them. It's the most financially lucrative stand-alone game in all of football and the pressure is bound to get to these teams. If you think Fulham are bang average then we must be League Two quality!

Both sides who played in the final have had fantastic years, with Fulham having a net spend of over £100m, Brentford spending over £10m etc, it's not like these sides are even close to our ability, they're miles above with the players they have in their locker.

I don't think it's Venkys fault that Waggott and Mowbray and the scouting team haven't sourced out the next Benrahma (who cost about £400,000 in Ligue 2).

 

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26 minutes ago, geedog13 said:

Hi all I'm more of a read it not comment kind of guy BUT......... the rewriting of the raya history has me very perplexed, the guy could not kick out a ball from goal without it going out of play, catch a simple cross or even see a simple pass when with us. I for one was over the moon when we sold him ( yes yes it left us with nothing ) his change in play is a clear indication we really need a better goalkeeper coach FACT. ( or he wanted to go that much he made mistakes) 

It's quite clear he wanted to go after being hung out in the press time and again by our manager. I see Nyambe going a similar way. It just isn't the way to deal with things. Raya's horrific facial injury seems to be forgotten but I am sure any keeper would suffer a loss of confidence after something like that - wearing that mask you would be in two minds half the time whether to go for a ball. 

I am not saying the lad was faultless as we all know he wasn't by a long stretch but there is huge potential there. His errors this season for Brentford have reduced, his distribution is now one of his strengths and he has worldie saves in his locker. 

At the end of the day, if we had replaced him with a keeper of similar or better quality, it wouldn't be talked about half as much as it is. It is the fact we downgraded and used the money to buy another dud striker to play on the wing. 

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“I don’t sit here thinking we’re going to sell a major asset to help us recruit, but if somebody bids money which we think is right for a player we think we should let go because we can improve the team, then we will do that.”  - Tony Mowbray

This quote seems to be worrying some people and I can't understand why. This is absolutely bang on from Mowbray, every player has a price. Someone comes along with £2m for Holtby in the last year of his deal, we'd be stupid not to say "yeah okay", or £15m for Dack too given his injury.

Dack leaving but a keeper, Tosin, Cunningham and Whiteman coming in is probably and improvement to our team if we're honest, because every player has a price and three players are better than one.

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‘We sold our goalie to buy Sam Gallagher’... that kind of thing?

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Just now, Mattyblue said:

‘We sold our goalie to buy Sam Gallagher’... that kind of thing?

We sold a shit goalkeeper for a decent fee in my opinion. I wouldn't dare claim Sam Gallagher was a decent buy.

I said "but a keeper, Tosin, Cunningham and Whiteman coming in is probably and improvement to our team". That's a big but. I'm not saying we should sell all our best players.

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