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2 hours ago, windymiller7 said:

This is now getting ridiculous! 

The nice lady at Rovers (Sharon) sorted out my account issue, completed the purchase applying for the installment plan. Just got an email from them saying my application has been refused! It's the same finance company as last year & I didn't have any issues then & never missed a payment!

Didn't others have issues with the installment plan last year?

From memory, this happened last season to a lot of people (myself included) with the finance Company used back then (I thought it was a different one) and the "solution" back then was that you had to go through the rigmarole of being turned down before then applying with Premium Credit who seem to accept anyone with a pulse.

Not sure if the Premium Credit fall back is available this season but either way it's hardly ideal and a further deterrent to renewing.

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These credit companies are scumbags bottom line. 
 

Why can’t Rovers just accept a credit from the fan and give a ticket on an instalment plan? Be easier, safer and far less hassle than dealing with them lot 

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17 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

From memory, this happened last season to a lot of people (myself included) with the finance Company used back then (I thought it was a different one) and the "solution" back then was that you had to go through the rigmarole of being turned down before then applying with Premium Credit who seem to accept anyone with a pulse.

Not sure if the Premium Credit fall back is available this season but either way it's hardly ideal and a further deterrent to renewing.

Thanks for the reply. Didn't try the option a 2nd time so don't know. (Wish I'd waited a bit for your reply now!)

Renewed anyway but let's just say I'm gonna be a bit skint for a couple of months now!

Surely the better idea would be just to go with the Premium Credit option first time!

Finance company is V12 who were used last year.

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51 minutes ago, windymiller7 said:

Thanks for the reply. Didn't try the option a 2nd time so don't know. (Wish I'd waited a bit for your reply now!)

Renewed anyway but let's just say I'm gonna be a bit skint for a couple of months now!

Surely the better idea would be just to go with the Premium Credit option first time!

Finance company is V12 who were used last year.

V12 take the risk, ie Rovers get all the money up front and if someone stops paying the installments it's V12 who lose out. 

The Premium Credit back up option last year was offered after V12 were rejecting people but was done on the basis of Rovers taking on the risk. I can't see that being offered in these circumstances.

I'm not sure how V12 assess people because my credit score is far from ideal yet over the last couple of years they've financed me a new washing machine, a new laptop and last years ST 🤷‍♂️ 

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22 hours ago, AshleyClifford said:

Sad but true but our Indian owner seem far more committed than most of our fans. 

Totally speechless ! 

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6 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

The stadium Jack built after this fella leaves could well see a closed Blackburn End Upper, Riverside, Darwen End, Blues Bar and radio station, with a vast reduction in crowds.

And he was brought in to increase revenue?

Whilst iv'e long thought Suhail is more than just a messenger boy and think he might represent more than the Rao's at Ewood i'm not sure i'm swallowing it's all down the him. 

Swaggo has got them all going down the 'great guy' route now but look beyond that and he'll be just be another self serving suit. He's finding it hard to drive crowds up even before this impossible scenario. Prices would likely have risen anyway and like promotion i think he's just spotted the opportunity to bump then now.

Squeeze what you have whilst you can, remit should be get as many back however you can. Less isn't more in Blackburn.

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4 hours ago, AshleyClifford said:

In terms of what they put in, for very little if any pay back.... I'd still say yes, and to be fair that includes me. 

Do you think it is right in the current circumstances that the club should increase riverside season ticket costs from last year by over 30% for being able to attend less games, and the games you do attend will be an inferior experience?

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If they only sell 3 or 4k STS anyway then they won't open all the stands. It's like the govt pretending they aren't going to lockdown again at some point.

My guess is they'll put all STS in the JW stand unless the number puts a real strain in distancing measures.

Then BBE lower for any single match tickets if applicable. 

He'll be working on the speach for that right now.

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14 minutes ago, Hasta said:

Do you think it is right in the current circumstances that the club should increase riverside season ticket costs from last year by over 30% for being able to attend less games, and the games you do attend will be an inferior experience?

I don't think it is as it goes. The should have kept all prices the same as last season. My general point is that we have been spoilt on price for years. Hence why a Blackburn end season ticket is only 15 Quid more than it was in 2003. I don't think ticket prices should ever have been reduced by so much in the first place. I happy at the time but it has done us no favours. Hopefully when all this is over a reasonable price point can be found because 0 x 400 is zero which ever way you look at it. Regarding the Riverside it has been cheaper because it is the least desired seat in the house. It needs modernising. 

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2 hours ago, AshleyClifford said:

I don't think it is as it goes. The should have kept all prices the same as last season. My general point is that we have been spoilt on price for years. Hence why a Blackburn end season ticket is only 15 Quid more than it was in 2003. I don't think ticket prices should ever have been reduced by so much in the first place. I happy at the time but it has done us no favours. Hopefully when all this is over a reasonable price point can be found because 0 x 400 is zero which ever way you look at it. Regarding the Riverside it has been cheaper because it is the least desired seat in the house. It needs modernising. 

Which is all fine and good points. But you have admitted you don't think the rise from last season to this season is fair. And you are arguing something which nobody else is arguing against.

When you say "Fans complaining that the price in the blackburn end has in real terms increased by less than £1 a year over the last 18 years." that's not really happening is it?

Fans are complaining that the prices has gone up from last season despite the product offer and experience being worse. 

Despite the fact you agree with this, you state that these complaints prove "our Indian owners seem far more committed than most of our fans."  Billionaire owners who were never seen at Ewood in god knows how many years, 

I'm committed to my wife. I'm also committed to my council tax bill.

I know which kind of committed Venkys are to Rovers. I think obligated would be a better word for it.

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Just catching up. Some great posts in this thread today. And some desperately awful ones.

Waggott’s pricing strategy and attitude towards fans is being proven the wrong one as the shit hits the fan and he needs supporters to stump up cash that they don’t have for a product they can’t use. Loyalty works both ways and we have had NONE, just year on year price hikes while blaming fans themselves for falling numbers.

If he had gone for a lower cost but higher volume strategy he might have seen that loyalty repaid. The killer has been the £80 (25%) increase in the Riverside “to make it fair” when they piss people about by moving their seat every game.

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Chances of fans actually being in at Ewood are highly unlikely for the foreseeable and waggot raises prices you couldn't make it up

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9 hours ago, Ben Frost said:

V12 take the risk, ie Rovers get all the money up front and if someone stops paying the installments it's V12 who lose out. 

The Premium Credit back up option last year was offered after V12 were rejecting people but was done on the basis of Rovers taking on the risk. I can't see that being offered in these circumstances.

I'm not sure how V12 assess people because my credit score is far from ideal yet over the last couple of years they've financed me a new washing machine, a new laptop and last years ST 🤷‍♂️ 

Likewise, I fully expected to be rejected last year tbh, but, having never missed a payment & nothing in my circumstances changing (other than taking the 3mth mortgage holiday offered) didn't expect a problem. 

I didn't know about how it worked last year & maybe should've read a little more into it, but hey, you live & learn. It's not like I can spend it down the pub now anyway! 🤣

Many thanks to you & @RevidgeBlue for your frank & honest replies. Much appreciated! 👍.

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17 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

From memory, this happened last season to a lot of people (myself included) with the finance Company used back then (I thought it was a different one) and the "solution" back then was that you had to go through the rigmarole of being turned down before then applying with Premium Credit who seem to accept anyone with a pulse.

Not sure if the Premium Credit fall back is available this season but either way it's hardly ideal and a further deterrent to renewing.

Happened to me also last season , but I wasn't told about the alternative option.  I had to borrow cash from a family member.  That issue, the flat refusal to refund pro-rata costs for BCD games, and this season's pricing policy must be preying heavily on Mr Waggott's mind.  Therefore, I've decided to help him with what must be an incredibly increasing burden of guilt, by not renewing.

My first season ticket was with my first pay packet as a 16 year old in 1976.  All these years later Swaggott has finally managed to achieve what my missus has failed to do in 40 years - driven me away!!!!

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With these pro rata refunds my prediction for next season is another price hike to cover the costs. Waggott won’t be able to sleep knowing people will get anything at a discounted rate even having lost out this season. Drive away even more of the ever dwindling fan base.

I hope one day Waggott has an honest appraisal of the situation and after he resists his instinctive urge to blame the fans for not lapping up the tripe he serves ask himself why people aren’t coming in. Then what can be done.

And whilst I’m not on £300,000 therefore totally unqualified I’ll give him 2 ways to get fans in. 1 a successful side (not easy and clearly not going that route with Tonebola). 2 very cheap tickets. (Fairly easy to implement but happy doing that either).

A 3rd way would be to generate good will and unconditional loyalty to the club where regardless of results, entertainment or price people turn up regardless. Over the last decade no attempts have been made to win back the lost fans and if anything driving more away.

We’re a total shit show largely of our own creation. Very sad. 

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Shit news. Surely with very limited crowds, a gradual process, plenty of procedures in place, all socially distanced and of course pilot events, there is no need to pause things.

We cant wait for a vaccine which may never come and even if it does wont totally eridicate the virus. Depressing update.

Football games are played before 10 o clock and the curfew doesnt come out until after then anyway.

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26 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

We cant wait for a vaccine which may never come 

We are going have to sadly. Can we really afford not to? 

Its shit not being allowed back in but that's the rules. Schools and their education are more important for me. 

It's looking promising that a vaccine will be here. 

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1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

We are going have to sadly. Can we really afford not to? 

Its shit not being allowed back in but that's the rules. Schools and their education are more important for me. 

It's looking promising that a vaccine will be here. 

I disagree. Not to get too much into a covid debate as I am totally fed up with it but the deaths/hospitalisations are so low relative to what they were and the collateral damage ecnonomically, job loss, mental health etc is huge. And most importantly, the process would be gradual, and it would be based on strict procedures regarding limited capacities and social distancing to minimise the risk.

Even if a vaccine came it will take a long while it wouldnt totally eridicate the virus as not every single person would have it.

Totally fed up with it all. 

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13 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I disagree. Not to get too much into a covid debate as I am totally fed up with it but the deaths/hospitalisations are so low relative to what they were and the collateral damage ecnonomically, job loss, mental health etc is huge. And most importantly, the process would be gradual, and it would be based on strict procedures regarding limited capacities and social distancing to minimise the risk.

Even if a vaccine came it will take a long while it wouldnt totally eridicate the virus as not every single person would have it.

Totally fed up with it all. 

Think most people are fed up with it all but rules are rules. This is something most people have never had to do before. 

People are losing their jobs and I will be one of these this week from the looks of it. 

We were deaths and infections to remain low and not spiked like March and April time. 

Vaccine solved this issue. People have they own choices about having a vaccine. I would have it tomorrow if it allow me and my family back to a normal way of life. 

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1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

Think most people are fed up with it all but rules are rules. This is something most people have never had to do before. 

People are losing their jobs and I will be one of these this week from the looks of it. 

We were deaths and infections to remain low and not spiked like March and April time. 

Vaccine solved this issue. People have they own choices about having a vaccine. I would have it tomorrow if it allow me and my family back to a normal way of life. 

Very sorry to hear that you are going to lose your job. My personal opinion is that many others will due to unnecessarily draconian measures all things considered. I am not suggesting pretending that it doesnt exist but I think that the pilots and the phasing back of fans should continue. 

Even if you are willing, the vaccine will not totally eridicate the virus. If it ever comes. We are probably going to have to live with it.

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So no fans in October. That takes us to November, winter with all that entails with other respiratory illnesses, perhaps an actual second wave, full lockdown etc. 

Anyone see fans in before spring (if at all this season) ?

 

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7 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Very sorry to hear that you are going to lose your job. My personal opinion is that many others will due to unnecessarily draconian measures all things considered. I am not suggesting pretending that it doesnt exist but I think that the pilots and the phasing back of fans should continue. 

Even if you are willing, the vaccine will not totally eridicate the virus. If it ever comes. We are probably going to have to live with it.

Thanks. 

Of course we will more jobs in hotel and airport sectors. We need to protect people andreduce social contact at this stage to limit the the virus impact

If people dont want the vaccine that's their choice but a vaccine is how we get rid of it. Start of next year hopefully

 

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2 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

So no fans in October. That takes us to November, winter with all that entails with other respiratory illnesses, perhaps an actual second wave, full lockdown etc. 

Anyone see fans in before spring (if at all this season) ?

 

It will be March at the earliest as I've been saying for weeks for the very reasons you give above.

I hope we get back to Ewood in March but won't be surprised if we don't go back this season. There's nothing to suggest gatherings of 10,000+ can be safe.

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We’ll survive (famous last words) as Venky’s don’t seem to mind continually chucking good money in after bad, but Leagues 1 and 2, National League?

Unless there is an Arts industry style bailout (or the PL get involved - with strings attached, no doubt), it’s looking extremely grim... 

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