TRANSFER THREAD - JANUARY 2021

[Beanie01289 351]

4 hours ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

The Everton loan signing just doesn’t get me going at all. Not going up, not going down, developing others youngsters which we won’t get the benefit from. Pointless 

He looked like a player from the games i saw at the end of last season im more than happy to be bringing him in

[rigger 2842]

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

is anyone anything other than totally non plussed regarding the potential loan sign of a kid who has played 13 senior appearances in his his career?

Is he going to make a major difference in helping a manager who seems unable and unwiling to focus on keeping clean sheets to suddenly start keeping the goals out as a sole change? Unconvinced.

I say this yet again I will leave judgement of the player until he has actually played a few games for us. I hope he works out for us, for the good of Blackburn Rovers, not the manager.

[bboy 177]

5 hours ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

The Everton loan signing just doesn’t get me going at all. Not going up, not going down, developing others youngsters which we won’t get the benefit from. Pointless 

Reality is we are going to struggle to do much better then this at this stage of the season.

 

Was criminal not to sign another CB last summer.

[AllRoverAsia 5326]

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

is anyone anything other than totally non plussed regarding the potential loan sign of a kid who has played 13 senior appearances in his his career?

Is he going to make a major difference in helping a manager who seems unable and unwiling to focus on keeping clean sheets to suddenly start keeping the goals out as a sole change? Unconvinced.

And you are being generous.

9 at some level for Carlisle plus 4 at Everton - being 24 minutes in an EFL game and 3 games in PL 2 

Then again I've not seen him play and at least he's tall so I take that as a positive.

[only2garners 1501]

2 hours ago, StevenSK said:

Save yourself a weekend of annoyance and ten quid a game. Get some Netflix and take a Sunday walk. Much better for the mind.

Good advice - I will be having either a bike ride or a good walk on Sunday. However on Saturday afternoon I’ll be busy watching Rovers.

[rigger 2842]

1 minute ago, only2garners said:

Good advice - I will be having either a bike ride or a good walk on Sunday. However on Saturday afternoon I’ll be busy watching Rovers.

I'll be listening on radio Lancs. Although Kevin Gallagher talks some drivel at times.

[bluebruce 4305]

16 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

And you are being generous.

9 at some level for Carlisle plus 4 at Everton - being 24 minutes in an EFL game and 3 games in PL 2 

Then again I've not seen him play and at least he's tall so I take that as a positive.

I'm sorry am I reading that right? He has only played 3 games for their u23s? For an u23 team that are 6 places below our u23 team?

Really hoping we can chalk that up to being involved with the first team squad, which I'm aware he has a bit, so not being made to play u23 football much. I don't want to have to chalk it off to injury as...well we know about our injury problems in defence. Either way though he might be lacking a bit of match sharpness, and we know how long Tony takes to bed people in, especially if there is a sniff of a fitness issue. (Unless they're carrying some sort of injury and then they can have at it)

[AllRoverAsia 5326]

2 hours ago, bluebruce said:

I'm sorry am I reading that right? He has only played 3 games for their u23s? For an u23 team that are 6 places below our u23 team?

Really hoping we can chalk that up to being involved with the first team squad, which I'm aware he has a bit, so not being made to play u23 football much. I don't want to have to chalk it off to injury as...well we know about our injury problems in defence. Either way though he might be lacking a bit of match sharpness, and we know how long Tony takes to bed people in, especially if there is a sniff of a fitness issue. (Unless they're carrying some sort of injury and then they can have at it)

On further research it appears he made an appearance for Everton v Villa in July 2020 - maybe he made others last season?

He did get a good write up for the game v Villa

He has been on the Everton bench as an unused sub 4 times this season

Transfrmkt not always accurate it seems!

Edit: Braithwaite made 4 consecutive appearances for Everton in the PL at the end of last season. I think I may have eventually got it right! By all accounts he showed well.

Edited Thursday at 01:44 by AllRoverAsia

[Mercer 4240]

40 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

And you are being generous.

9 at some level for Carlisle plus 4 at Everton - being 24 minutes in an EFL game and 3 games in PL 2 

Then again I've not seen him play and at least he's tall so I take that as a positive.

and so was John O'Mara!

[Mercer 4240]

32 minutes ago, rigger said:

I'll be listening on radio Lancs. Although Kevin Gallagher talks some drivel at times.

Agreed.

IMO, standard of 'local' commentators is very, very, very poor - listening to Gallagher, Bayes, Yardley and Lucy drives me mad.

[JHRover 11444]

A deal such as this Branthwaite one is win-win for Mowbray and Rovers.

1) Everton will be delighted to send him here knowing he will get first team minutes at a mid-table Championship side. Ideal for his development rather than sitting on their bench or with their U23s.

2) Due to the above Everton will be willing to do a deal for little cost to Rovers as we will be doing them as much of a favour as they are doing us

3) Rovers get to 'address' a problem position for the remainder of the season without having to pay any fee, without any medium or long term commitment to wages and with minimal contribution to wages (no doubt covered by the outgoing Chapman).

4) Rovers get to foster positive links with local Premier League sides which I suspect is a core element of Mowbray and Venkys transfer 'strategy' to recruit heavily using loans. On occasion this can be good - see Harvey Elliott - but it is short termism in action and personally I find it a tad embarrassing that we are operating in such a way for essential positions. Not a recipe that will deliver promotion. Expect to see us secure a 'prestigious' friendly with Everton come the summer though.

Doesn't really get us anywhere either way. It's just a complete shambles from back to front really.

[RevidgeBlue 7447]

2 hours ago, JHRover said:

A deal such as this Branthwaite one is win-win for Mowbray and Rovers.

1) Everton will be delighted to send him here knowing he will get first team minutes at a mid-table Championship side. Ideal for his development rather than sitting on their bench or with their U23s.

2) Due to the above Everton will be willing to do a deal for little cost to Rovers as we will be doing them as much of a favour as they are doing us

3) Rovers get to 'address' a problem position for the remainder of the season without having to pay any fee, without any medium or long term commitment to wages and with minimal contribution to wages (no doubt covered by the outgoing Chapman).

4) Rovers get to foster positive links with local Premier League sides which I suspect is a core element of Mowbray and Venkys transfer 'strategy' to recruit heavily using loans. On occasion this can be good - see Harvey Elliott - but it is short termism in action and personally I find it a tad embarrassing that we are operating in such a way for essential positions. Not a recipe that will deliver promotion. Expect to see us secure a 'prestigious' friendly with Everton come the summer though.

Doesn't really get us anywhere either way. It's just a complete shambles from back to front really.

Completely agree. It's like we don't trust our own youngsters but if lads of the same age or even younger are on the books of a Premier League Club they're seen as the be all and end all.

Can't see that this lad will be significantly better than Magloire but at least it wastes yet more of the V's money and reinforces the argument that we couldn't afford the LB we were after.

Maybe if we hadn't previously wasted money on the likes of Gladwin, Smallwood, Hart, more recently on Trybull, Downing, this lad and also remembered to send Douglas back before the option to do so expired, we would have been able to!

[DavidMailsTightPerm 1244]

5 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Completely agree. It's like we don't trust our own youngsters but if lads of the same age or even younger are on the books of a Premier League Club they're seen as the be all and end all.

Can't see that this lad will be significantly better than Magloire but at least it wastes yet more of the V's money and reinforces the argument that we couldn't afford the LB we were after.

Maybe if we hadn't previously wasted money on the likes of Gladwin, Smallwood, Hart, more recently on Trybull, Downing, this lad and also remembered to send Douglas back before the option to do so expired, we would have been able to!

Though I would like our youngsters coming through  - we have to recognise that established clubs like Everton will be able to attract better youth talent than us. This lad cost them £750k (possibly more with add ons) has played Premiership football in an improving Everton side. If one of the better managers in Europe thinks he is good enough to play for them - there must be a reasonable chance he will be good enough for the Championship.

[neophox 1043]

Jarrad has joined on loan until the end of season.

 

Now on to Pickering and Kipre

Edited Thursday at 08:26 by neophox

[Bigdoggsteel 7549]

9 hours ago, JHRover said:

A deal such as this Branthwaite one is win-win for Mowbray and Rovers.

1) Everton will be delighted to send him here knowing he will get first team minutes at a mid-table Championship side. Ideal for his development rather than sitting on their bench or with their U23s.

2) Due to the above Everton will be willing to do a deal for little cost to Rovers as we will be doing them as much of a favour as they are doing us

3) Rovers get to 'address' a problem position for the remainder of the season without having to pay any fee, without any medium or long term commitment to wages and with minimal contribution to wages (no doubt covered by the outgoing Chapman).

4) Rovers get to foster positive links with local Premier League sides which I suspect is a core element of Mowbray and Venkys transfer 'strategy' to recruit heavily using loans. On occasion this can be good - see Harvey Elliott - but it is short termism in action and personally I find it a tad embarrassing that we are operating in such a way for essential positions. Not a recipe that will deliver promotion. Expect to see us secure a 'prestigious' friendly with Everton come the summer though.

Doesn't really get us anywhere either way. It's just a complete shambles from back to front really.

Ridiculous 🤣 

Decent signing from what I have seen and read. Best of luck to the lad. F*** the begrudgers! 

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama 3896]

53 minutes ago, neophox said:

Jarrad has joined on loan until the end of season.

 

link?

[Mattyblue 13763]

It is a decent signing, as was Tosin.

But ideally we need an experienced old hand back there (and some proper coaching by the look of it at times), and young lads, of course, will make mistakes and that will just add to the keystone cop antics that ensure we never threaten the top 6.

But it is what it is, for a club that rarely spends fees on defenders and a manager that just doesn’t seem to see building from the back as a priority.

[JBiz 3730]

7 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

It is a decent signing, as was Tosin.

But ideally we need an experienced old hand back there (and some proper coaching by the look of it at times), and young lads, of course, will make mistakes and that will just add to the keystone cop antics that ensure we never threaten the top 6.

But it is what it is, for a club that rarely spends fees on defenders and a manager that just doesn’t seem to see building from the back as a priority.

Maybe he has always felt Wharton and Lenihan is the long term solution?

Also - Ayala is an “old” head and I’m not sure he’s the sort of character at this point.

Anyway - I’m happy we have a more options than Bradley Johnson at least! 

[RoversClitheroe 1017]

1 hour ago, neophox said:

Jarrad has joined on loan until the end of season.

 

Now on to Pickering and Kipre

Is that the plan? 

[Mattyblue 13763]

Ayala was, on paper, what was required and I personally think his performances have actually been ok considering he can’t ever have been fully fit since arriving  - however his injury record has got worse over recent seasons and now in his 30s you can’t imagine that improving - you have to look at the overall package with a signing, especially as Williams and Lenihan always miss a sizeable chunk of games.

Just doesn’t seem to be any kind of real strategy with building the defence, always seems to be essay crisis mode, unlike with what he’s trying to do with the team in an attaching sense.

[Paul Mani 3029]

1 hour ago, neophox said:

Jarrad has joined on loan until the end of season.

 

Now on to Pickering and Kipre

This info or opinion Neo?

[neophox 1043]

The lad has confidence :

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/19008672.rovers-midfielder-backs-make-midfield-grade/

Edited Thursday at 09:56 by neophox

[neophox 1043]

18 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Is that the plan? 

We can only guess with the morons in charge. We will see.

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama 3896]

9 minutes ago, neophox said:

We can only guess with the morons in charge. We will see.

So you are only guessing, but you're stating things as fact. It is a bit misleading. 

[rigger 2842]

13 minutes ago, neophox said:

The lad has confidence :

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/19008672.rovers-midfielder-backs-make-midfield-grade/

If he had that much confidence he would say to the manager. I am a midfielder not a full-back. Play me in midfield. It is upto the player to then justify his confidence.