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  1. I have talked to a journalist who was at the presser. The context for the quote is that Tony said that Rovers face an embargo in a few years time if sponsorship, sales of merchandise and people attending matches do not rise. So the quote is genuine but the Sun have taken it completely out of context and used the first part of it to make it sound like it is imminent.
    16 points
  2. Hope it’s Charlie Brown. He’ll be available for peanuts.
    6 points
  3. 6 points
  4. There was a reference earlier in this thread to our Pod (Episode 93) that covered this in some detail but I’ll try & summarise briefly & with no jargon... All references to June 2017 a/cs of course... In a nutshell:- TRADING Turnover is down by a third as parachute payments ended. Costs have been significantly reduced but not quite in line with t/o. Losses have been reduced by positive impact of player sales. Interest costs have reduced by two-thirds as much of the debt has effectively moved from the bank (who charge interest of course) to the parent company (which does not). All in all - loss of £3.7m recorded for 2017 - up from £1.5m in 2016. ASSETS & LIABILITIES Total creditors (money owed) stood at £114m up slightly from £112m BUT less of it owed to the bank, extra £7m owed to Venky parent - on balance this is a good thing, better to be in hock to the parent than the bank I would say. Of the £114m - £95m owed to V’s So what ? V’s are undertaking good housekeeping to manage a difficult position (I know they got themselves into it...this isn’t an opinion piece BTW ?) 2017/18 will probably reveal decreased t/o given the relegation - less TV money, sponsorships, corporates, ticket sales etc. Promotion opens up increased possibility for s/t income, TV, sponsorship, commercial etc FFP rules are frankly impenetrable...made even more complex if you move between Championship & League 1...which we’ve just done twice - as the rules are different in each. V’s can still cover part of any losses with share capital (rather than loans) in the Championship, but it’s not as easy as in League 1. What is not up for debate is that Championship clubs FFP is based more around turnover and profitability....and so to that extent, increased spend by fans in Ewood in whatever form can only help the FFP calculation and give the club less of a headache. Finally, whilst we will earn more TV money etc, I suspect large parts of that increased income will be swallowed up with improved player contracts etc. If we expect them to take a hit after a relegation, chances are their agents will expect the reverse after a promotion...? Hope that helps....but listen to the pod, read this & then pose whatever questions you might have & I’ll have a stab....but Not FFP...I cant make head nor tail of the EFL site ?
    5 points
  5. With the club seeing fit to once again close a section of Ewood to home fans without consultation, the Darwen End singing section find themselves on the move. The timing of this has left fans with only social media to organise a new singing section. It's a disappointing decision as I cannot see to many away teams bringing 7,000 to Ewood next season. In previous years when relocated section W01 and W02 of the Jack Walker Lower Tier has been identified as the best place to relocate the singing section. There are a good few reasons as to why this is the best place to move the section. 1. Smaller sections of seats means fans will be more compacted and create a better atmosphere 2. Still close to away fans, many of us enjoy the banter with away fans. 3. Closer to the players and pitch compared to back of the Darwen End lower tier. 4. Facing the TV cameras means a great location for the Jack Walker Flags and other banners etc. 5. Compared to other sections of the ground easier to get good seats close to each other. (Blackburn End would see fans split up and picking from the lesser seats that haven't already been allocated over the years. 6. Same price as Blackburn End. 7. The Blackburn End and Riverside already have some noise, the Jack Walker stand badly needs and injection of loud and proud fans with drums and flags etc. If there are any existing Darwen Enders on BRFCC please tell others abut W01-W02 lets make Jack Proud of the Jack Walker Singing Section.
    4 points
  6. Nyambe moves that fast JAL is unable to give an accurate assessment of his abilities.
    4 points
  7. I think it is more that people think they should have the right to stand up. I agree with that.
    4 points
  8. He always pops up after the event to tell people to stop worrying about things he hadn't got a clue whether he should have been worrying about or not. If he could think for himself he'd be dangerous.....
    3 points
  9. Please stop telling people to calm down as it's annoying. Quite rightly there was concern and people are correct and entirely free to express that concern on a Rovers forum.
    3 points
  10. I remember asking a bloke I'd met at a rock concert what he did for a living. He said " I work in a lie factory ". It turned out he worked as a printer for " The Daily Mail ".
    3 points
  11. I call bull$hit on this one!
    3 points
  12. But not if they then obstruct the view of those unable to stand up or who don't wish to stand. The club need to identify an area of the ground where people will be free to stand if they so wish so that anyone who buys tickets in that area know in advance that they are likely to be standing. One of the issues this season, with the increased numbers travelling to away grounds, has been that children and older folk have been struggling to see matches because everyone stands up. Although I prefer to sit, I'm fortunate in not having a problem in standing for ninety minutes but there are many, for a variety of reasons, who struggle to view games when everyone stands. It's an issue that football has ignored for long enough and safe standing areas are long overdue. Sadly, I don't think any politician will back the necessary change in law that is required.
    3 points
  13. Venkys' view on 'investment' in the club appears to be: 1) Continue to service debts & the overdraft 2) Pay wages and bills on time 3) Ensure the club remains solvent through honoring liabilities and meeting overheads The fourth form of investment comes as cold, hard, cash, millions of pounds of it, which goes above and beyond the bare minimum essential required to keep the doors open. This investment is the money needed to seriously strengthen the team, improve facilities and develop the club longer term. This cash seems much harder to obtain and my understanding is it only materialises when Madame can be persuaded to write a cheque via a face to face meeting or after other players have been sold and a small amount is then allowed to be reinvested. This has always been the case. In the Premier League they had the Jones windfall to use, then the parachute money. Rhodes' huge fee was a one off splurge that subsequently saw Rhodes have special status as a result. Since the parachute cash dried up we've been extremely limited cash wise - Bowyer nothing, Lambert nothing, Coyle a few hundred grand and then Mowbray nearly a million (big money for League One but not for the Championship)> So on the one hand Venkys have invested by way of maintaining a big wage bill and ensuring the club remains as a going concern. They don't seem to have a problem with adding some names onto the books in wages or absorbing big losses at the end of each month, but when there's a need for some real money to be chucked in for 3 or 4 big signings it is more difficult to get done.
    3 points
  14. Yes, 3 days into the close season and one near meltdown already. Next one will probably come soon when Nixon or someone similar runs a story claiming that club X are big admirers of Dack and "could" be ready to make a swoop for him in a deal worth a half eaten mars bar and a box of liquorice allsorts.
    2 points
  15. If available, bringing him back seems a no brainer. Tailed off a bit after his initial impact, but more to come from him I reckon
    2 points
  16. As far as I'm aware there's no precedent for doing it. Unless I've missed it no riots or unrest which have occurred at 3pm. I think some Leeds fans made a mess in Wetherspoons the other year but I'm not sure why a couple of hundred idiots in town should impact upon 20,000 others. I'm firmly of the belief that Rovers have become a soft touch over the last few years as the downgrade has been in full swing. Especially ludicrous when only a few weeks ago both Rovers and Burnley played home league games on a Thursday night with a combined 35,000 crowd watching. Hopefully Waggott 'gets it' and intervenes in such things.
    2 points
  17. https://www.rovers.co.uk/news/2018/may/arma-refuses-to-rule-out-a-rovers-return/ intersting read
    2 points
  18. There is nothing wrong in my post just people overacting to a non story. People seriously need to calm down and chill out.
    2 points
  19. Thanks Kamy. people can calm down and stop worrying like some previous posts. People have to trust or learn to trust Mowbray and know that he wouldn't come out with quotes like that. if he was saying what the Sun reported then he would have said to the LT and Radio Lancs not to the Sun. this is also a problem when national newspapers are covering Championship/league 1 clubs.
    2 points
  20. Absolute rag of the highest order
    2 points
  21. I know that, yet repeatedly the club has decided to shut off areas in the home ends instead of or as well as areas in the away end. I'll never forget them kicking season ticket holders out of their seats to put netting over areas for when Burnley came to town. Disgraceful. I'm a JW Lower season ticket holder. I don't want to spend home games stood up, moving seats, having 'banter' with away fans. I want to sit in my seat and watch the game and having had that seat for several years and now being handed a £50 price hike I expect to be able to A few years ago I was nearer to the Darwen End, when we played Leeds/Preston etc. the Darwen End people were moved into the area where my season ticket was. I arrived ten minutes before kick off and my seat was occupied and the area was stood up throughout the game. There is sufficient room to allocate the end 2 blocks nearest the Darwen End as a singing section and keep the middle 2 for established season ticket holders. Sadly I can't see that happening as the club will shut the end 2 blocks for most games. Whatever way it is done it needs to be managed. There needs to be some sort of divide by way of a barrier between blocks to make it clear that the standing/singing area is at one side and non-standing at the other. Of course one sensible alternative would be to put away fans in the corner of the DE and Riverside, and then whatever segregation is needed can be put in place in the DE at the JW stand corner.
    2 points
  22. Speculative stories don't need a response but there is a direct quote from Mowbray which gives a the story credence. Just because you don't like the journalist for some reason or the substance of the story doesn't mean it is not true or it can be ignored.
    2 points
  23. Henry Fonda, I presume! They had a very harsh lesson, when we scraped survival at Wolves.Despite all the promises made to loyal fans in Pune, they continued the destruction and down we went.-the first time! So many more harsh lessons followed with many decent people saying they have learned from their mistakes, then so many more of the same ..er.."mistakes.." Even after all that mayhem...., Coyle over Warnock...so we must remain wary. Worst case is that this brilliant promotion merely reduces the pressure and dilutes the resistance. Obviously, I am hoping and praying for better..this time. Leopards and spots etc and beware "the rule of optimism" The next few weeks will speak volumes, I believe. Rant over.....
    2 points
  24. I'm far from a Venky apologist but I'm getting increasingly sick and tired of the debate of 'put us back where they found us' or 'I'm not setting foot in Ewood again'. It's @#/? but I accept everyone is entitled to their opinion. Yes Venkys name is over the door and yes there has been one monumental feck up after another for 5 years or so BUT they've stuck with it and poured cash into the club to both keep it afloat as the natural revenue streams have significantly reduced. Ah but it's increased 'the debt' was the cry. It's about time folk took a step back and think where the CASH has come from? It's Venkys cash and 'the loan' is merely an accounting function on the balance sheet, it's not a millstone around Blackburn Rovers neck as is frequently bandied about. If we were sold for £200 million, if we were lucky enough to get promoted to the PL, 'the loan' would be repaid as part of the sale consideration and would be offset against any Capital gain as a consequence of the sale, versus the original financial consideration when they bought the club almost 8 years ago. That is a fact. Who's to blame for Stoke going down this season and probably West Brom and one other? It's what happens every season and would inevitably have happened to us sooner or later under The Walker Trust. I then read about a multitude of people being up in arms about increases in season ticket prices for next season (they're still extremely competitive in The Championship). How the hell are Rovers to become competitive in The Championship next season, Mowbray get a decent transfer budget, pay decent enough wages, without increased income through the turnstiles, season tickets and commercial support or more hand outs from Venkys, which further increases 'the debt'?? It then also begs the question of where does the working capital come from to meet the expectations (see above!)? I stopped going for a period when Coyle was appointed, I took that as the ultimate insult and where the decision to appoint him came from, I'm fecked if I know. I can only assume it was a final swansong from 'those who can't be named' and I have it on decent authority that they've since departed the scene. I realised that it was only me that was suffering by not attending for the first time for 51 years and relented after 6 months. I'll never forget Venkys initial 6 years tenure but I'm prepared to cut them some slack for now and let's see what they do over this summer. In the meantime, I'd ask those that are 'boycotting' to think about what I've said and perhaps reappraise and rethink their viewpoints. Perhaps at the same time, if they remain steadfast in their view, I would love to know what the realistic, alternative solutions are? It might have only been the 'third division' but it's been the most enjoyable season for a decade and a half. Tony Mowbray may have his faults but his qualities far outweigh them in my view. The way that he has galvanised the club in the past 18 months, he deserves every Rovers' support and the more the merrier. Get your bloody season tickets bought! WE ARE The Rovers!!!
    2 points
  25. Can just picture the argument over the room number, room 352 or room 442
    2 points
  26. The whole ground needs a real sprucing up. Or even just a proper clean.
    1 point
  27. As good as this season was, lets not forget that the club is in a ton of debt, whether it's owed to the Venkys themselves or the bank of India, whatever. Our finances arent in a good way and that's nothing new, we spent a bit last summer but compared to championship sides we spent peanuts. Are we going to see a dramatic increase? Highly doubtful, regardless of how TM's meeting goes in India. Be happy enough with a couple of million spent and a few loans and frees, that's a realistic expectation. The seasons only just finished so let's give it a month or two before meltdown mode starts on here Its going to be many years before we are stable financially and their could be many a transfer embargo until these loons go, we all know that ourselves without TM saying anything.
    1 point
  28. Whatever head start players get against Nyambe he always makes it back.
    1 point
  29. I am serious Glutton for genuine pace. I never had any as a player, so always been envious.
    1 point
  30. I'm sure if the police had their way they'd have them all kick off at twelve and yes it's probably an easier day for everyone - except the fans - just typical football really run by suits FOR suits and paid for by fans & media mostly. Didn't someone say the stadium manager is ex five 0 ? If he's comfy with his old colleagues and the club leave it to them to decide it's a cosy number all around. Hopefully Waggot as a proper CEO puts his foot down and says sorry but every penny counts we needs as many through the turnstiles as possible so unless the cameras are here or there is significant grounds I,e like a Burnley game then no we won't move the kick off voluntarily. Why does no else do it but we do ? It's wrong.
    1 point
  31. Thanks for the confirmation Kamy. Without wanting to sound too much like Chaddy exactly as I predicted! Taken in that context it actually sounds quite positive to me. It implies that we'll be spending a decent amount on transfer fees and wagesin the first place!
    1 point
  32. ToMo is certainly putting the emphasis on supporters taking responsibility for supporting their own club. I agree entirely...with the caveat that the club has to make it financially viable for everyone who wants to support their club to be able to do so.
    1 point
  33. Whilst that is true, a large enough proportion of football supporters, especially away fans, would prefer to stand at football matches, that is clear. A bit of common sense needs to prevail at times, im all for promoting safe standing wherever possible too, hats off to Shrewsbury there. One of the plus points of the Darwen End was being able to go to the back, unreserved, and stand up. Affecting no one else at all. Everyone sat down usually puts a dampner on the atmosphere, therefore if you can seperate those who want to stand and those who want to sit, I dont see why its an issue.
    1 point
  34. However without having the full transcript off what TM said it is impossible to judge what he has been said. For example he could have been asked a question about spending power and he answered it by saying if we spent millions then the club could left facing a transfer embargo.
    1 point
  35. I'd be surprised if he wasn't merely trying to dampen expectations a bit and said it in the context of "If we go out and spend Willy nilly we'll be heading for an embargo" and the quote wasn't conveniently cropped and a different interpretation attached to it
    1 point
  36. I don't think the club needs to release an official statement to counteract a gossip box in an absolute rag. The LT should ask Tony and I am sure that they will. A few months ago the Daily mail ran an article about Dack ,using a tweet from a tony Mowbray parody account on twitter in which fake Tony said ,and I paraphrase, that if Dack doesn't knuckle down he will get a punch in the face off Mowbray. Absolute idiots work for these papers. They are capable of writing any BS.
    1 point
  37. http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/rovers/news/16159715.Budget_plans_in_place_for_next_season_already_reveals_Rovers_CEO_Steve_Waggott/ Waggott on FFP last month. We had a small loss last season, this season we were under SCMP rules, so not sure how in a 3 year period we would fall foul of FFP? http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/16194681.Steve_Waggott__Rovers_budget_plans_to_be__fleshed__out_in_India_trip/ This one from last week.
    1 point
  38. I'll leave it there then for the players he starts linking us with instead
    1 point
  39. It isn't from Nixon, he tweeted he knows nothing about it
    1 point
  40. Suspect the question was leading along the lines of: 'What happens to the club if you try to match the spending of the Championship's biggest clubs this season?'
    1 point
  41. As I say, Venkys have never had a problem loading staff and players, often on big wages, onto the wage bill and then absorbing those costs along with the other losses. Worth bearing in mind that whilst Bowyer did indeed recruit a lot of players he also disposed of a lot, and those leaving were on much bigger wages than those coming in, so whilst it can be seen as Bowyer being backed it was actually doing Venkys and the club a favour by shedding the overpaid dross bleeding the club dry and replacing them with cheaper alternatives who would go on to make them millions in sales. My point about their spending last summer was that a million quid goes a long, long way in League One. Being able to sign a couple of top League One players on top of what we already had made a big difference. However, if Mowbray had kept us up at Brentford, gone to India and asked for £10 million to rebuild I don't believe he'd have got it. £1 million ahead of a Championship season would unlikely be the 'difference maker' unless we really struck gold. So in some ways this investment that they supplied last summer was much less than it needed to be had we survived. I think there would have been merit in spending more, the reason being that we're going into the summer with big decisions to make and work to do - Payne, Chapman, Armstrong, Antonsson out of loan, Evans, Conway, Ward, Graham out of contract, so they're going to have to cough up or work quickly just to replace them. I don't think it will necessarily take £25-30 million to go for promotion, but it depends on which way they want to play it. If they are serious about getting back to the Premier League then it might take £30 million over 3 years with a gradual building job, but acceptance that it might end in failure e.g. like Derby and Wednesday have had every year so far. What we can't have then is another demolition job as they lose faith in the manager and take a wrecking ball to the squad to recoup some money. I hope we're pleasantly surprised and I hope that the feelgood factor and Mowbray delivering on his remit will persuade them to have a go at it but I just don't see much past record of them coughing up proper cash for new players. They usually allow a few hundred grand through and might allow us to keep our existing players rather than look to sell, but since the Premier League dosh dried up that's been about it.
    1 point
  42. Good debate following an excellent balanced post from Darrenrover - as one would expect from a Darrener! Personally I’m tired beyond belief of reading the never-ending pronouncements of “I’m not going back till they are gone.” Firstly because no-one, and I mean no-one, cares what the people concerned do with their time. And secondly, because chirping on here is the least effective, and least effort, protest known to man. I seem to recall Birdie did a sit-down protest in Nuttall Street when Lee bogged off - it didn’t change anything but at least it was an effort on his part. I think it was said before: if they’d bought us last July we’d be singing their praises as owners. Nothing in life is predictable, them more than most, but if this continues I think we are in for more good times.
    1 point
  43. Yeah you can only assume without any real evidence it was people who Venkys fought a lawsuit against. . Kean was a far bigger insult not to mention a number of other things appointing incompetent clowns like Shaw and Singh even if the latter managed one major positive result. The Coyle stuff was tedious bullying and a much worse example to set to kids than some people running on a field. I like Bennett but a premeditated cheap shot 15 months in the making is pretty childish. Bowyer hardly ran intense training sessions either but that's glossed over even though it could have made a big difference between getting in the playoffs and finishing just outside/midtable. He's a bad football manager (not a bully like some people if it was Coyle in hospital his negative traits wouldn't be ignored) and since families are so important on here his son seems like a pretty well adjusted, decent young man who works with amputees, etc. FFS the man's been fired what more do people want? Other people have done worse and said some of the same things like defending Kean, etc. No right to lecture other people about petty grudges and their overall qualities as a human being. Once again on Warnock there's suggestions he was asking too much for limited hours. Tan presumably offered more because I can't see him letting someone work 2 days a week. As for Tan he made one error with the shirts but what have Cardiff ever really done? Leeds United did sod all when Revie decided to change their shirts and as far as I know people didn't complain. Some mocked him for choosing a similar design to Real Madrid but besides that what else? Some of the stuff om Tan was xenophobia of the highest order with all the Bond villain stuff. I remember looking at Mackay and just detecting this aura of arrogance. There was something about him I just didn't like and nothing to do with him being Scottish. Of course he turned out to be an even worse person and Tan was right to fire him anyway. Over 10 million on a "project" was how Mackay put one signing. Kean would have been slaughtered for that and rightly so.
    1 point
  44. This football club will never progress until those idiots in Pune scuttle back under the rock from whence they came. Simple as that really.
    1 point
  45. Venkys can still go to hell..nothings change. This is just a tiny ripple of positivity in an ocean of mayhem and destruction...venkys out!!!
    1 point
  46. I'd be good in the dressing room for a tenth of what Conway will be on. I've got a good sense of humour and loads of stories to tell. It's stepping out over the white line were my problems would start. I'd rather spend that dosh on a young up and coming player from the league we've just left or one being discarded by a Premier League club.
    1 point
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