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  1. If this is Conway's last game for us, i hope he gets to captain the team out and get a standing ovation in the 60th min when he gets subbed out for Butterworth or Chapman. Good and honest pro for us.
    20 points
  2. Last year, seeing that "Total Commitment" nonsense was a real wind up with the opposite effect. This year I am reading "OUR PRIDE. OUR PASSION. OUR ROVERS!" EXACTLY - This is MY ROVERS. This is YOUR ROVERS. This is OUR ROVERS ! Duncan has already said exactly how I am also feeling on the previous page. Vote Miller ! ? The other night Waggott seemed to be answering straight forward questions with straight forward answers. There seems to be people at the club actually listening to us.... and yes, even reading this forum. So I reckon I am going back as well AND buy a ST. Just need to decide where to locate myself. I do expect us to be pushing for Play Offs as a minimum. Can we all please just go back now, fill our stadium which Jack built for us and help the lads get back to the PL. Enough is Enough. OUR ROVERS FOREVER !
    14 points
  3. I don’t buy this the poor old venkys were duped, learned their lessons routine. Yes there were some charlatans (Anderson/kean/shaw/Agnew/shebby/etc) taking advantage. But through it all the one group of people who unequivocally want what’s best for the club, namely us the fans, were ignored. Had they listened once from kean in 2011 to Owen coyle in 2017 2 relegations could have been prevented. They didn’t and they weren’t For me to even consider not hating them they need to 1 admit their mistakes and 2 apologise for their mistakes publicly. Will they-No. Do they feel they need to-probably not. The reality is who are we the peasants to our regal owners. The cruelest of ironies is its through their incompetence that we need their chicken money to stay afloat. The venkys can keep paying the bills but their continued absence from Ewood is a very welcome one.
    13 points
  4. Here's a scenario. Next season we're 2nd going into the final game of the season. We're 3 points above 3rd and have a +3 goal difference over them. We play them on the final day. Anything better than a 2 goal defeat and we go up. We ring the football league the week before the game and tell them that our players are going on strike and we aren't playing the game. We presume that they will do the same thing as with Bolton and award a 1-0 win to the other team. Happy days.
    10 points
  5. Pound for pound one of the best Venky era signings Conway, I think though that if thee is room in the budget Mowbray will keep him but hopefully it's on very reduced terms. Then it's down to the lad if he thinks he can get more games elsewhere but we could do worse than getting him involved in the coaching side here there's plenty more i'd be showing the door first.
    7 points
  6. Or thinking outside the box , Get him involved in a Rovers barbers shop set up at Ewood , additional income. Short, back and Riversides
    6 points
  7. But they wouldn’t have had to resign if the letter they wrote from the club and passed to Bob Lord actually reached the Football League management Mick. It amazes me how Stanley fans seem to have forgotten this event. Butcher Bob loved the idea of Stanley going out of existence as he though that their fans would migrate to the turd.
    6 points
  8. Up until last night I’d have voted “not until Venky’s go” but the consultation meeting has changed things. I feel that, for the first time in a long time, there are people within the club willing to listen to and consider supporters interests and ideas. Steve Waggott has given me some hope that things are moving in the right direction, and that he is capable of managing things effectively. I think he will continue to do what he can to bridge the disconnect and re-engage supporters. I still despise Venky’s, but they have created a situation where we are dependent on their subsidising us to remain competitive, let alone to have a hope of promotion, and it seems this will be the case for the foreseeable. I still ticked undecided because I want to see some of the talk become reality - I’ll be really disappointed if their isn’t a decent level of investment in the defence (I expect Mowbray would be to), and I think failure to do this would confirm some long held suspicions I have that were categorically denied last night. I have felt for some time that I’ve been cutting off my nose to spite my face by continuing my boycott. I’ve been to games on a free ticket and realised how much I’ve missed it. While we are stuck with Venky’s I’d prefer them to remain in the background, I don’t want to see them at Ewood (I realise that some people do, but don’t understand why), I don’t even like their logo plastered all over advertising hoardings, but I can cope with it due to the fact that I feel as though there is someone decent and competent running things day to day, who appears to be allowed to do so. So all being well, I’ll be getting a season ticket.
    5 points
  9. Absolutely from the point they bought (earlier if truth is ever exposed) to the appointment of Coyle. Yes the damage is irreparable from taking us from finishing in the top half of the Premier League 80% of the time to where we are today missing out on the exceptional boom in Premier League income. Most fans at the time of greatest damage being done were extraordinarily slow to see what was happening and to respond. So it is re-writing history to say poor old ignored fans. Some of us saw what was happening and frankly we got as much flak from fellow-supporters as we got support from fans. Frankly, "we were ignored" doesn't wash. I hope that we are indeed seeing a change over the last two and a bit seasons and I will say it again, taking the last 30 months in isolation, Venky's are among the better owners in the FL. In business and in life, people learn and improve. Not asking for forgiveness and forgetting for Venky's- their start with Rovers was beyond abysmal- but just as facing reality in 2011/12 meant talking to the Premier League, FA, Qataris, Sports Minister, MPs, journalists etc., facing reality today means recognising that what Messrs Waggott and Mowbray had to say at the Fans Forum/Liaison Meeting was reassuring and encouraging and has been evidenced by solid action and funding.
    4 points
  10. If we have to sell a Dack because we bought a Brereton, there is something very wrong with recruitment.
    4 points
  11. I'm absolutely with you on this. They sacked good honest people and let charlatans run the club. Several times. I will never be beholden to them for the damage they have caused. I believe the damage to be irreparable.
    4 points
  12. 'Blackburn Rovers' trust do not respect boundaries and targets kids in our borough of Hyndburn' That suggests to me that he seems to think 'Hyndburn' (an artificial collection of several towns younger than most people who go watching Stanley) is their 'territory' and should be left alone for them to try and develop their club in. I think we need to be very careful as a club. It is a fact that traditionally and today a huge chunk of our existing and potential support comes from 'Hyndburn'. In particular Ossy, Rishton and Harwood but also Accy, Baxenden etc. Over time i suspect the percentage from those areas actually grows whilst the percentage in Blackburn declines due to migration of people in and out of Blackburn. We cannot afford to neglect such areas. There needs to be a realisation at the top of our club that Blackburn isn't a city, isn't affluent and that our support comes from across Lancashire and not from within BwDBC. I'm not sure what the club does to promote itself in Hyndburn, Rossendale, South Ribble, Ribble Valley but they really need to do something as over time people will have less and less connection to Blackburn and less reason to support its football team. I have a lot of respect for Andy Holt and his efforts. He's got pride in their stadium, pitch, image and is trying to impove it (more than can be said for our lot) He's got a tough job and I've no problem with him or Stanley trying to build their support. But that certainly doesn't mean we should give up on our own backyard. Unfortunately I think we are giving up on our own backyard. I'll keep an eye out when I'm out and I bet i won't see a single poster or advert about these new season tickets in Hyndburn. If we were determined to grow numbers I'd expect to see them in pubs, clubs, bus shelters, papers. Stanley recieve less money than Rovers and Burnley do because money is allocated on your infrastructure and previous success. Our overheads are massively higher as our facilities and provision is massively bigger. Why should they get as much? Like saying we should get as much sponsorship and media income as Man City despite them achieving more and being way ahead of us. No problem with a bit of healthy competition. Bring it on. We should win it hands down. Trouble is Holt makes more effort than we do and people can see that. I also suspect Holt is a dingle or at least has dingle tendancies. He won't admit it but I'd put my money on him leaning that way before his Stanley involvement, given where he and his business is based.
    4 points
  13. Dinosaur? Anything but, that’s the folk that still see them as ‘little owd Stanley’ knocking about in the Unibond League. They are now a highly professional outfit and are taking support away from us. I personally know about 5 Rovers lads that have decided they are now Accy fans and are Clayton End ‘Ultras’. The free shirt and tickets to every kid in Hyndburn is a superb gesture and I have a lot of respect for how he’s running things. Bit let’s be frank, we have a small, hemmed in catchment area as it is and the last thing we need is an upwardly mobile club on our doorstep one division below.
    4 points
  14. I know not many will see it this way and that's perfectly understandable but from a business point of view he's played it right. Rise it last year on the back of promotion which gave them a valid excuse and solid finish this year allows them to freeze it. They'll be hoping the new age bracket prices increase or at least balance out on this years numbers but they'll know rising them again was a no goer. Maybe a bit of forward thinking there and a clever little plan though obviously not a massive gesture but end of the day he's a CEO doing what CEO's do. Not saying it's the way I would've gone but he's no duck egg I don't think. I'd like to think there'd be some real big offer sometime in the future to really drive numbers up again but it'll work better if it goes hand in hand with continued progression on the pitch. Timing is crucial.
    4 points
  15. I am another one of the few
    3 points
  16. The problem that Accrington has is the fact that they ve been out of the picture for 30-40 odd years as a league club. They lost a whole generation fan wise. People at the time who weren't already Rovers/Burnley in the town suddenly had no team . For all those years after people went either Rovers or Burnley and their kids did/do the same. Football has always been a tribal thing when following a team and for Stanley to suddenly re appear and expect fans to suddenly come running back after following Rovers/Burnley was never going to happen and will probably take years for it to happen in the future. As a Rovers fan in Accrington id be very annoyed if Rovers didn't come and promote themselves in this area when its been well documented that a hell of a lot of Rovers fans come from Accrington and surrounding towns. Again upto the club to get to know its demographics of just where their fans are actually from and get promoting itself regardless of town or borough.
    3 points
  17. SEM is not the only problem. Although they are not supposed to, prominent agents in effect work as networks with affiliated smaller agents. One such agent has about 150 ostensibly independent agents tightly inside his network. On the general point, agents cannot be avoided but it comes down to management and ownership as to whether the agents are de facto running the club. On this basis, within the last two years, Rovers have again come to look like a proper football club business. Agents crossing boundaries thrive where there is no effective management to shoo them out of where they don't belong. Being optimistic, Venky's have perhaps learned the very hard and expensive way.
    3 points
  18. This initiative is clearly aimed at retaining the patronage of young people & to soften the transition from kids prices. The same argument in reverse could be levelled when that bloke is paying full price & you have a discounted senior citizen ticket. There is no pricing structure that pleases everyone. If season tickets were £50 each we’d then have people complaining that we have to sell all our players to pay the bills.
    3 points
  19. Absolute dinosaurs some of you lot!! Despise Venkys and everything they stand for yet slate the local owner of a small club trying to build his club and expand the outreach to secure the future for the club. As for Stanley being rivals on or off the pitch i think you need to wake up and realise what year it is. Holt never stated that Hyndburn is for Stanley fans only, simply that when it comes to the community trust it's a lot harder to get kids and new fans on board because, A. they receive a fraction of money from the PL that Rovers do, B. Rovers following for obvious reasons stretches further afield than Stanleys. Do i believe Rovers should be able to take their work into the community wherever they feel fit? Absolutely, but why should this stop Holt wanting a bigger portion of the marketshare and a bit more to spend to help him do that.
    3 points
  20. I turned 26 one week ago today. Fuck you Waggott.
    3 points
  21. Bottom of the article suggests Mowbray also looking at Carson much prefer him out of the two.Hart is useless
    2 points
  22. This. 100% this. Breaks my heart to think back to how protesters were viewed, nay, blamed, by the majority of fans. I’d temper your ire at BRFCS members though, they were privy to a lot more sharing of detail than those who just weren’t interested in knowing about it, lest they might have felt morally compelled to get involved - when in reality they just cba’d. So I can see why someone on here might say fans were ignored. A lot of the members on here from the time have left though, and many now here were children or young teens at the time. But still... On a side note, I can’t believe we are closing in on a decade of Venkys malfeasance. That’s nearly as long as the Walker Trust post-Jack. ?
    2 points
  23. Machiavelli had nothing on you JH.
    2 points
  24. As long as we have dealings with that agency there will continue to be a smell that just won’t go away. Trouble is, as Phil’s post illustrates, agents in general are a stench all of their own.
    2 points
  25. It’s a good question. On the face of it, I think for a time, we should have, or had, a self-imposed ban on using that agency. If it was an agency that owed us money I’d suggest that we would stop using them until the debt was paid. I’m not sure that what people associated with that particular agency cost our club will ever be repaid. While we continue to deal with them the stench will remain.
    2 points
  26. Is he the only one? If a player we want is SEM do we avoid? Is there links between the club, agents and players signing like it was 'alleged' before? One player I would suggest is manageable and although not great it is not a plague that infected us previously
    2 points
  27. I hope they certainly repeat the stunt with the kids again maybe 4 times in the coming season. They could aim to reopen the top tier of the BBE by Xmas with a proper plan. No point unless it's filled with additional fans (not sucked from other parts of the ground). Great Video.
    2 points
  28. Andy Holt is a good, responsible owner who is doing his bit for his club. It can't be easy being based in a small town wedged between Rovers and b*ly. Stanley have done fantastically well when you consider where they have come from, I have a lot of affection for them being from the area. Interesting that he has taken up the cudgels against Rovers, perhaps an acknowledgement that Hyndburn is largely blue.
    2 points
  29. You could always form your own singing section by getting together and singing
    2 points
  30. After the meeting closed Mowbray chatted with a group of fans... Patrick Bauer was mentioned as a potential signing and Mowbray said something along the lines of “We bid for him last summer, but now he’s on a free his agent thinks he’s worth 40-50 grand a week. He’s playing in league one. We want bigger, better players to come straight into the defence”. I mentioned Jake Cooper from Millwall and Mowbray said he could be a target. He was asked about Wharton and said he is not ready for Championship football yet. Few other points that might be on the Radio Lancs broadcast... Mowbray spoke about the possibility of doing some part exchange deals, as well as mentioning he wouldn’t be averse to bringing in proven quality, older players on frees and big wages from PL teams who could bring a bit of quality and help younger players. Waggott rates Rankin-Costello and Butterworth... so I’d presume Mowbray does too.
    2 points
  31. I had a conversation with Steve Waggott this morning about the free coach travel for supporters but nothing for people who arrange their own travel. My suggestion in an earlier email was that in the interests of fairness to everybody there should have been an across the board reduction in the ticket price. He accepted my point and said that would be a fairer way of rewarding the loyalty of regular away supporters irrespective of how they travel. He assured me that should the situation arise again a fairer system would be used. He welcomed my suggestion and said he is always prepared to listen to concerns and ideas. Interestingly he also said he is trying to get other Championship clubs to a 'twenty's plenty' type of scheme where reciprocal deal can be agreed although he said it would be better if every club signed up to such an agreement.
    2 points
  32. There is a lot of talk of forgiving Venky's and welcoming them back, which is quite frustrating to me. People talk about them funding the club like it's some kind of charitable donation. They own the club! It's their responsibility and duty to provide and care for it, that's what they signed up for when they bought the bloody thing. It's gotten to this weird point, and I don't know if it's a Stockholm Syndrome thing or what, where people genuinely seem impressed and amazed that the owners continue to fund the club rather than just abandon it. As if it would be perfectly okay for the owner of any business to just stop paying bills and employees because they don't feel like it any more. They've made no effort to sell and have always said publicly they have no desire to sell. We have to assume then that they still want the responsibility of owning the club and representing Blackburn - therefore paying the bills is just a part of that accepted responsibility. Yes it could be worse, but how many owners in recent history have simply pulled the plug and stopped paying the bills at this level? It's pretty rare. Normally a club is sold well before it gets to that stage. I'm judging them more on how their decision making affects the club, and it still doesn't seem to be right even after nearly a decade. We're still far too reliant on the manager wielding huge amounts of power and influence, whilst also having travelling to India to beg for money every six months. Until that system changes I do not view Venky's as sensible custodians and I do not think they've really learned anything. They just keep hiring different people in the hope it will one day click.
    2 points
  33. I admire TM's passion, quite enjoyable to watch that video but it does bring me back to his simplified way of thinking about football. We've conceded a lot of goals not just due to the defence but because of our general style of play, mananger not knowing his best 11, lack of identity, lack of intensity, game management, lack of fouls higher up the pitch and not keeping possession for crucial periods in the game. If you don't have a team or the players to retain poession, then the ball will keep coming back at you and no matter what defenders you have, it's going to be very difficult to defend against. Tony is a good man, I want to see good men do well in football, especially at my own club, I just hope he see's these things too.
    2 points
  34. Pink Floyd - Welcome to the Machine
    2 points
  35. Agents, employment agencies in regular work etc. are everywhere and you have to deal with the twerps sadly. You can make a stand against using them, or a certain agency but as it has been pointed out they have affiliates, sub-contracted people and so on. It's probably why Mike Newell never got another job after Luton. He pointed out the insidious nature of these people.
    1 point
  36. So it could be that in theory that not only we don't deal with SEM, we could have to not deal with upto 150 other agents? If we know there connections? How does that get policed? Also not employing soemone because of their agent does that break freedom of employment laws?
    1 point
  37. Travis - Why Does It Always Rain On Me
    1 point
  38. Anyway bowton. They are seriously taking the p*ss now, they should be expelled from the league. Other clubs would have been by now.
    1 point
  39. Judging by Mowbray's comments I think the likes of Ameobi are probably nowhere near the level we're looking at. And I mean that in a positive way.
    1 point
  40. Half callled it. ? Credit to the club for freezing the prices!
    1 point
  41. While there's no doubt its a big ask, I have a hunch that the Liverpool-Barca tie has a twist in it yet. I think I'll stick a fiver on Liverpool to win 4-1 at Anfield and go out on away goals. They are certainly capable of sticking a few goals past this Barcelona team, it is really a question of how many Barca get in reply. They don't travel all that well and some bang average Spanish teams have scored plenty past them this season. Liverpool got round the back of them several times the other night and on another day would have scored three or four. Mane, Milner and Salah would normally put those sitters away.
    1 point
  42. It’s the truth. Ask anyone who’s been at the club since Venkys took over. I’m not saying they haven’t been guilty of messing things up. BUT the common theme amongst everyone Iv ever spoken to is that money is never a problem.
    1 point
  43. 7:13 pm Fan: "It seems we are ready to suspend our antagonism to the family." Which fool said that?
    1 point
  44. They will be fine on Saturday - it's Sunday when the prices go up.
    1 point
  45. Rovers Trust has submitted a number of questions including State of Ground and plans for future; ticket offers and how they have worked or otherwise; perennially late Season ticket sales ; current position re FFP ;and a couple of others on the Catering Contract etc. 4 Members attending including myself and Ozz Jones.
    1 point
  46. The other advantage to Luton and Barnsley coming up and hopefully also Doncaster/Peterborough is it takes away another excuse from Rovers. If it were Sunderland, Portsmouth and Charlton coming up you can guarantee there'd be talk from Waggott and Mowbray about how tough it is to try and compete with these clubs and their support. Mowbray has been at it frequently this season talking about other sides having 'full houses' even though they don't. Luton and Barnsley are the two latest examples of smaller clubs showing that reputations and crowds are diminishing in importance as they've left Pompey and Sunderland in the play-offs. In no measure can either of those clubs be considered better placed than Rovers. Two less examples for us to hide behind. With Huddersfield, Cardiff and Fulham coming down none of which get substantially bigger crowds (or at least won't when the Premier League numbers have dropped off).
    1 point
  47. In an ideal world they would, of course, love it. However, we are such a stripped down operation these days it just makes me laugh/cry when they send a press release to the LT pre an 18k crowd talking about 'bumper crowd expected', 'parking problems', etc etc. Plus netting off whole blocks of stands for 'segregation' etc. etc. How did we ever cope in the PL?
    1 point
  48. It's quite simple for me. Either Waggott is in control of the operation and genuinely thinks leaving it to May to release season ticket prices is a good idea and the way to selling as many as possible - if so I think he's clueless. The alternative (more likely) scenario is that he cannot do anything until he has prior approval from India to go ahead with it. If this is the case I would question what the point is in him being here and whether Chief Executive is an appropriate job title if he can't even be empowered to sort out ticket prices without needing his bosses to scrutinise and approve beforehand. Anyway, looking forward to another summer of fools moaning about over-reliance on the owners, heavily losses, FFP rules and all these clubs with more money and bigger support who we're trying to compete with. How about taking a leaf out of their books for starters?
    1 point
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