Glad you don't work for the Parole Board haha. Learning from mistakes? Let's look at two early ones. 1 2012 Dismantling infrastructure/ board of directors, manned by people with experience and genuine football know-how..... 2019- Is the situation fit for purpose? 2 2012 Allowing introduction of new player purchase policy based on considerations, other than on- field requirements........2019 Ben Brereton?...Defenders are coming etc. I could go on, but reports of their learning from mistakes are...greatly exaggerated.

Well why the bloody hell don't the arrogant sods get on with it and show some interest and correct their mistakes? 10 years on and were still waiting.......... Yes that's right Hypnotic,they have made terrible mistakes,crippled the club but it's time to forgive? LIKE FCUK!!!!

I’m certainly not bitter but I possess a very long memory. Just remember a pessimist is an optimist with experience. There have been reasons why this lot bought us and still exist, and I don’t think any are of benefit to the club nor it’s fans.

Mowbray has been backed.He has spent close to 15 million on Brererton ,Gallagher and Armstrong. Downing,Holtby and Johnson will also have been given hefty signing on fees. Christ plenty of reasons to criticise our owners but no way can Mowbray complain about lack of backing. Rejected a big money bid from West brom for Dack last year,and he has given a host of players improved contracts here. Only player we have sold of any value in his time here has been Raya and it was clear Mowbray didn't fancy him

It beggars belief that some folk are saying Venkys have learned from their mistakes! Here we are 9 years into their time with us STILL worrying that if Mowbray leaves then they’ll employ someone worse. Does that sound like an organisation that has learned from their mistakes??

Barnsley haven't won away? Well there it is then. Rovers'll fix it for ya. Get your money on Barnsley. There's your licence to print money.

Oh come on Stuart you know as well as I do he will still be here even if we get hammered. Sorry for your lad though. Keep his chin up, remind him it is a lifetime of suffering being a Rover, it is character building for him. If he can make it being a Rovers fan anything else in life is a piece of cake.

JHRover issued a challenge the other day for anybody to name one area of the club where we have seen an improvement in the last nine years. That includes ALL aspects of the club. I can't think of any.

Expect another familiar tale. Positive first 10 minutes where we have them on the rack and apply pressure. They hang on in there and weather the storm. Score with their first chance of the game. We feel sorry for ourselves but rally after half time. Have nearly all the possession and pressure but cant score. Eventually get the equaliser and go home with a point. Manager can point towards another 'dominant' display.

We are still accreditted and I am sure if we applied to attend Pressers then we would be allowed to attend. A few years ago when I had more time I did try to go every week. Problem these days is finding time to go.

Q: If Venkys apologised and stated that they would attend the next home game, how would you feel? A: Time to find a Snowball. A big one. This thread passed me by before, can't fathom out why but maybe I just avoided their name in the Title. Forgive and draw a line? NOT in this lifetime or the hereafter.

Not saying he hasn't been backed with cash, but perhaps he's had his hands tied in other ways. Perhaps its just because I'm trying to convince myself that no manager would ever be so stupid as to do what we have with spending nothing on the defence and everything on the attack.

Because I do not hold grudges. If someone is willing to learn by their mistakes, let them. Holding them in contempt will not gain the Rovers as a club anything. At least lets try everything to get the club back on track.

I agree in principle but Bowyer was within spitting distance of the playoffs. A manager like Warnock would've got that group of players into the top six, if not promotion.

I think it’s because you say so many games are home bankers, it doesn’t really carry much weight.

Im sure Barnsley fans thought the same when O'Neill was appointed at Stoke. 1 45 mins training session and they win 4-2.

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Just like games at home to Charlton Luton and Huddersfield were all home bankers yeah? No thanks. Can see us losing this one if I’m honest. Think they’ll come and frustrate us and hit us on the counter, when teams do that to us at Ewood that’s when we struggle most. When teams come and attack we tend to come out with a better result. 2-1 Barnsley and nothing much more than a few murmurings from the 8,000 rovers fans in attendance.

What..instead of detention?

Moot point really. Venkys would never apologise, or be contrite and accept their failures. One, because it's not really part of their culture I understand, and two, because they strike me as pretty arrogant and spoilt human beings. Besides, words are empty. Actions do the talking. Get us realistically competing for promotion to the Prem and my views might soften. But signing cheques off to prop up the club certainly isn't enough to earn my forgiveness. They created this mess, and are doing very little to rectify it. They're merely stopping us sinking further, halting the decline. Now way I'm going to be thankful or forgiving for that.

The Mighty Wah - Story of the Blues (Part 1)

Who has said that they have learned from their mistakes. I think you will find that people have said, IF they have learned, perhaps we should move on, for the good of the club.

I can see it now. ?

By the way, Pocchetino's available at the moment, isn't he?!?? Just saying!?

Well, we finished 2 points off the play offs in 2014, thanks to a 12 or so game unbeaten run to end the season. Even in that run we do what we always do and bottled it when we got close, 3-1 up at Sheffield Wed to draw 3-3 in the last minute, then Brighton scored a last minute equaliser to draw 3-3 at Ewood. Then the year after, the best side we have had since relegation in my opinion, we finished 11 points off the play offs, so I have to agree that a "real manager" and not somebody learning there trade would have certainly gotten us into that top six that season. Now though, the squad is far too unbalanced to be near the play offs, it would take two really good transfer windows from a really good manager to get this side challenging next season. There's no way Mowbray would do it, and I can't see Venkys employing anyone good enough to do it either. We are truly screwed as long as they remain here, which they will do for a long time yet.

And a united fan base, a genuine board of directors, a club with ambitions and....hope. All things of the past.

Whilst our owners remain in control we have no chance, regardless who is the manager

Well they have a new manager in place Gerhard Struber Not convinced he’s not a baddy from Die Hard though

As you point out every sunday - Friday, Mowbray is not a good manager and his coaching set up is poor (and I agree) But its these reasons as to why its not a home banker. Luton was a home banker but we lost. I agree that we should be expecting nothing but a win but as we hampered by a shit manager, it isn't.

Mowbray to be subbed for Pochettino at half time if we're not 3-0 up.

If we lose he needs to go.

I reckon it will be......

I think realisation as dawned on Mowbray , it was a very strange transfer window and in my opinion we are no better off.. He knows , he is on his bike soon but Venkys could keep this going for months ...

Yep, pretty much this. I see us starting brightly, conceding against the run of play, conceding again before HT then rallying and snatching a draw with a late goal. Mowbray claims a never say die attitude, avoids the brickbats, the fans are happy and we bumble on.

Lose to Barnsley and this may kill off my lad’s passion for Rovers completely. We must win but if we lose then Mowbray should be gone by 5pm. So it’ll be a draw.

Not sure but there was a lad with the same name who made 53 Championship appearances (inc sub appearances) for Notts Forest between late Jan 2017 and April 2018, He was a striker though and was played as a striker (radical!), obviously not the same one we have who is not experienced enough or doesn't have the upper body strength for the riggers of Championship football.

He's a winger in a similar mould to Sam Gallagher.

My godson's accepted my subtle[?!] hint some months ago about Matt Jansen's memoir for Christmas. He'll be getting chapter and verse on this for my birthday next March!

What the hell is that Mowbray 1000 days article in today’s LT ? Is it just me or is Mowbray some genius manager who has saved our Club? It’s like he’s some kind of messiah reading that . Christ we are in a relegation scrap for the short term at least and yet there is more babble about us being in far better shape than when he arrived . Really? Considering what he’s spent ? another classic LT article no doubt prescribed by the clubs own spin doctors . Its like we’ve been dropped into the Trueman Show

Anyone fancy Wayne Hennessy on loan? Can't get a game for Palace.

That's a crazy way of looking after their " Investments ". It's like having an Aston Martin and not bothering to top the engine oil up.

It’s quite upsetting that Venkys now have owned us longer than Jack. A huge insult to his legacy. Even worse that the current mantra around the club seems to be “think small”.

He'll only use the standard 20 million per season to keep us going get out of jail card again. Totally sidelining the fact they've created that themselves but i think in the Ewood hierachys world and Vs themselves as long as they do that everything else is ok and should be forgiven.

Incredible how much time has been and gone under their ownership. At my age I was too young to really enjoy the golden era of the early to mid 90s and wasnt old enough to be able to go to the European games abroad in the 2000s. The point at which I was able to travel and immerse myself in Rovers was in the late Hughes era of 2007-08. Unfortunately for me 9 of the 12 years since then have been dire. Bad timing. As for Venkys - I can't think of a single thing in 9 years that they have improved at Rovers. 9 years and god knows how many millions of pounds and not a single element of the club is better than it was when they arrived. Financially it is a disaster zone. Footballing wise we are nowhere near. Comercial/Corporate - regression Infrastructure- zero investment beyond essential maintenance and it shows Boardroom- almost an insult to compare to what it was. All the while smaller clubs without the 'benefit' of billionaire owners and Walkers legacy have caught up and overtook us. Simple question for Waggott at the start of the next consultation meeting - Steve, please can you name one single thing at Rovers that has benefited from Venky involvement in the last 9 years? If not, why should we be grateful at being £150 million in debt to them for it?

Yes, funny too that Nyambe has struggled to get into the side since he left Crown...

At the moment, having Tony as our leader is as good as it’s going to get. We’re an average Championship side that’s going to be stuck in mid table forever. Tony’s a nice guy who has sorted out some of our problems, forged a good relationship with our owners and got rid of a lot of deadwood. However, his track record as a manager isn’t too impressive and, for me, he possess neither the nouse nor the credentials to take us to the next level. Were we to get someone in with a bit more mettle, a bit more authority and the ability to win games by employing both the right tactics and the right players, you would hope that this type of manager would have sat down with the owners to discuss a plan. Yes, a plan. Maybe a short term plan or hopefully a longer term plan. That’s what a Souness type manager would demand. A plan on where we would want to be in two or three years time and a more importantly a budget for player purchases to help that plan unravel. Ever since Venky’s rolled in to town (other than paying us a bit of false lip service and a few photos in the LT) they have been conspicuous by their absence. That’s nine fecking years of absence. Nine years of managers having to travel to India for discussions and coming back none the wiser. No strategy, no budget, no plan. Big Sam grasped hold of the situation immediately and walked. Not that they didn’t have a plan. He didn’t get that far. He foresaw the car crash that we were about to become. We’ll never get anyone of Sam’s ability, or close to it, ever again. So, unless Venky’s change the way they operate (if it hasn’t happened in nine years, it never will), we are left with relatively unambitious, run of the mill managers who will gladly take their very nice monthly salary without asking too many questions. Or...we take a chance on an up and coming, younger manager at a lower level. Someone with something to prove. Someone like Gareth Ainsworth. Bearing in mind Waggot falls into the same category as Mowbray, he’ll be unwilling to rock the boat and more than unwilling to have a poor decision (if it turns out that way) fall on his shoulders. So, that leaves us in a sea of mediocrity, with a bang average captain, riding the waves in permanent mid table until such time as our hand is forced ie. relegation or as near as. We’re right back to November 2010, knowing that the club can’t and won’t progress until new owners are at the helm.

We'll win but we'll make bloody hard work of it.