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  1. It's all too nice for me, nobody falling out when things go wrong, no big bust ups. I very much see the running of the club from top to bottom as we will just keep riding this out for as long as we can and for as long as those idiots in India keep paying. It reminds me very much of the Sunderland documentary that no matter what happens on the pitch, in the transfer market, in the boardroom, it doesn't matter one jot as we will send a bill to India that gets paid (I'm not convinced it particularly gets paid more saddled with debt!) and they can all still enjoy the gravy train. Nobody involved with Blackburn Rover's current set up feel ANY ill effect of what happens. Mowbray should really be looking down the barrel for the signings of Gallagher and Brereton before we even start on any list of playing deficiencies. Waggott should be looking down the barrel for the drop in season ticket holders and attendances, and general crowd unrest. These two people who are at the very top of the tree at Ewood are so comfortable, they don't have to worry what happens on or off the pitch and that really worries me.
    14 points
  2. How many on here even named Mowbray as a potential candidate when Coyle was on his way out? I'd say probably none and if he had been it would have, quite rightly, been ridiculed based on his previous recent record. That's why the retort of who would you choose to replace him is such a weary argument.
    12 points
  3. ‘Club in East Lancashire’ your new phrase? What’s the location of Ewood Park got to do with anything? He’d have a nice pad in Cheshire or Manchester with the rest of north west football, not going to live in a flat above John’s Cut Price at Mill Hill, is he?
    11 points
  4. £12 million down the toilet and now we return to the late Bowyer era sell off of the silver. What a total mess, yet where’s the accountability?
    11 points
  5. Should have gone 18 months ago, and nothing has changed, in fact the situation becomes more compelling by the day. If your only argument for keeping him is any potential replacement might be worse then, like Bowyer before him, you know his race is run and it's time for a change. I really don't think the people supporting Mowbray realise how much trouble we're in. No keeper, one decent centre half, no decent LB, no cover at RB, one decent midfielder, no creative midfielder, no effective wide man and two of the five players on the books who are actually up to the job entering the final twelve months of their contract. The situation reminds me a bit of when Lambert left us without a single senior striker on the books and then the owners sold our centre backs Duffy and Hanley in the close season before putting the final nail in the coffin by appointing Coyle. We all know what happened after that. Chaddy talks glibly about selling Nyambe to plug a hole in the finances but if we do that and bring in another dolloper like Caddis, how is that going to help? Plus we wouldn't get anything near what Nyambe is worth entering the final year of his contract. We need a skillful and astute operator in the transfer market, and we need him fast.
    9 points
  6. There's an error in logic here. How can people say they don't trust Venky's to pick the right manager, whilst backing a manager they DID hire?
    7 points
  7. Seen plenty of the prominent members of the Rovers fan Twitter-ati all pretty much saying ‘but who possibly could be better?’ It’s Tony bloody Mowbray for god sake! He’s a nice bloke and not a bad manager, certainly better than some of the tripe we’ve seen in recent years, but it’s a good example of how we’ve dumbed down our expectations as fans and seen our club run into the ground if Tone is as good as it gets...
    7 points
  8. Mowbray's own approach to the club's progression, as explained at various meetings and interviews, is to gradually improve the squad whilst going more towards a possession-based game. So that is what I must judge him on. After 3 full seasons, we are faced with a total squad rebuild. Lenihan, Nyambe, Travis, Evans (at a push; he is not consistent enough for me), Dack and Armstrong are the players I could see in an automatic promotion team. Downing is one of our best but definitely past his best and should not really be a starter every game. Graham is still our best 'big man' but is at least a season past Championship standard. We need at least 5 quality first-teamers for peanuts. Will it happen? No. Our play is on the turgid side but, more importantly, does not work with the skill sets of our players in the positions they are played in. Is it therefore the correct set-up? Clearly not. Let's say we're not signing a new team of quality players. The examples of Burnley, Huddersfield (under Wagner), Norwich, Sheffield Utd and now Leeds show how quickly a great manager can transform mid-table also-rans into world-beaters. Average players were coached to promotion. What happens after that is another matter. Dyche and Wilder have done a better job of renewing the momentum than Wagner or Farke. Do we see Mowbray ever improving Gallagher? Or Williams? Or Buckley? Will be bring the youngsters on this summer? Has he really done anything with Chapman or Brereton to get them going? Travis was forced on him if you remember at a time when we couldn't see past Smallwood. In fact, there is a pattern of promising players having to fight past aging dross. Reed was criticised for not being enough like Smallwood or Evans whilst being 10 times the midfielder of either. Nyambe v Bennett. Raya v Mowbray's constant criticism... For these and a few other reasons, time to retire him back to his beloved 'Boro in my opinion.
    7 points
  9. Think Mowbray needs drumming out of our club as soon as possible along with Venus, Lowe and Benson. IMO, a dinosaurian manager with precious little to offer. Some say make him DOF - please, give your heads a wobble. IMO, would be an unmitigated disaster and hold us back even further. It's a results game and three and a half years on, we are barely better off than when Mowbray arrived. IMO, our squad is flimsy, unbalanced and, in the main, bereft of quality. I think our football is dire - we have no identity. This week with our performances, you could be forgiven for thinking Kean or Coyle were still in charge - what an indictment. Someone has a huge, huge job to do and much of that, IMO, is down to Mowbray's very, very poor player trading and generally appalling management (team selection, organisation, tactics, substitutions and mental and physical fitness). The decision is a no brainer. We need a hungry, dynamic and innovative staff to at least give us a semblance of hope and optimism.
    7 points
  10. What a defeatist attitude. Like getting dumped at 16 years old and saying "there will never be another girlfriend for me" Or a company's profits sliding and the company saying well a new CEO won't change our fortunes.
    7 points
  11. Not true at all there, Gav. McCarthy constantly had to sell his best players whilst bringing in free transfers (he had a net spend of about minus 15 million, no luxury £7million signings on young forwards there) and kept them largely in the top 10, with play off appearances ... look what has happened to them since for evidence of how well he did.
    7 points
  12. What results does he need to get out of those 10 games? Is 3 wins, 3 draws, 4 defeats enough? This cycle will go on and on.
    7 points
  13. We can't allow him to waste another transfer window. Making us even more imbalanced with his quite frankly backward tactics.
    7 points
  14. If you think we put in decent performances at Barnsley and Wigan then you’ve lower standards than me..
    6 points
  15. ‘Results colouring the view of the performances’, well until we get points for 70% possession garnered by passing the ball around our own half then that’s kind of what fans will do...
    6 points
  16. That is how you are coming across by belittling our club and doing us down by calling us 'a town club in East Lancashire'. A long time ago and circumstances change, his stock was a lot higher in this country then (as was shown by the fact he got the Fulham job). Also we were selling our best players at the time and were under an embargo whilst he was managing in the Champions League. Also we don't really know with any certainty that he was approached for the. The same Tony Mowbray who talks about how difficult it is to sign players because other sides want replacements signed before they will let players go. Yet he did completely the opposite and let his keeper go before a replacement was brought in. Leaving us scrambling around and in the end bringing in a panic signing on loan who is no way near the required standard. Just another in along line of examples of Mowbray's incompetence in the transfer market. It beggars belief that some people want to give him another window to do even more damage.
    6 points
  17. You look at the highlights of most of the goals outside the very top level and see where the goals come from. Balls played into the penalty area from the flanks. Those who've played the game will know why that is so I'm not going to repeat myself over again. What we have is blokes who 1) can't cross a decent ball in the first place 2) are playing on their " wrong " wing were their natural instinct is to come inside the full back instead of getting around the back. You're a right footed player playing on the left wing, you come inside and normally you will attempt the cross with your right foot. The ball will curl towards the goal and the goalkeeper most of the time. That's not a good ball for strikers either as it's moving away from them also. When I played full back the sole objective was to get the winger to come inside, that's what you worked on. Do not let him beat you on the outside. That was the golden rule. Lets say you get a left footed left winger, like Scott Sellars or Jason Wilcox for instance. He beats the full back on the outside, he sprints towards the bye line and at the right moment he crosses the ball with his left foot. Initially the path of the ball will be towards a point where the goalkeeper thinks he's got a chance of dealing with it, so tentatively he begins to move out of his goal. Then the natural bend on the ball will start to move away from him out towards the spot that your striker has judged the ball will arrive at. Because Wilcox has got near to the bye line the defenders have been turned around to face the threat from the wing and are no longer fully aware of where the strikers are in relation to the ball. What you now have is an ideal situation for any striker. Goalkeeper unsure of his position, defenders no longer in eye contact with whoever it is they are marking , strikers free to run into a goalscoring position. It's all school boy stuff, I knew this when I was playing youth football aged 15.
    6 points
  18. If Jokanovic wants to manage in England again then he is going to need to get back managing over here soon or he will be forgotten about particularly as he is manging in Mickey Mouse football. If we were to approach Jokanovic we'd have to make him an attractive offer. Give him a wage that a manager of his calibre would warrant and back in the market him like we have done with Mowbray. Also if Jokanovic is a competitor then I am sure he'd much rather manage in a league like the Championship than some Mickey Mouse league where average attendance the last time they were published was 672. Also I don't expect him to live in a tent on Nuttall Street he can buy himself a nice house in Cheshire with the money he has made in Qatar. Honestly you are coming across as more of a Tony Mowbray fan than a Rovers fan. Constantly doing the club down and making out as though we should be thankful to have Mowbray here as how could a 'club in East Lancashire' possibly attract any better.
    6 points
  19. If we listened to those people who say “there is nobody better” then Gary Bowyer would still be here and we’d be in the fourth tier.
    5 points
  20. ARA, folk are entitled to an opposing view to the majority and to express it, whether or not you agree. There's nothing in the few posts above that doesn't stand up to reason, albeit it is a minority view. Not only that, DaveyB, Waco & myself have done so whilst recognising the merits of the arguments against Mowbray. All we're saying is there's always 2 sides to the argument. It's hardly ever black & white, things are always more nuanced than that.
    5 points
  21. McCarthy in 5 full seasons at Ipswich finished in the top half in 4 of those 5 seasons including 6th, 7th and 9th place finishes. I'd hardly call that keeping them just above the relegation zone. Also in 5 and a half years there he spent around the same amount that Mowbray spent on Sam Gallagher alone and he also regularly lost his best players something that hasn't happened to Mowbray.
    5 points
  22. I know it's disappointing and frustrating to lose three quick games on the bounce, but I do think that some of the reaction has been a bit OTT. Personally I think that we've been more unlucky than abject The game at Wigan - wasn't a great performance by any stretch and tbh it didn't ever look like we were going to do enough to win, but at the same time, until Walton dropped a ricket, it didn't ever look to be a game that we were in danger of losing either. The game at Barnsley - the result doesn't look great, but first half we had over 70% possession, were in complete control of the game and had two or three fairly clear cut chances to score. Had we taken one of those then I think we would have gone on to win fairly comfortably. Having gone behind, Mowbray tried to change things up and within 7 minutes we had Brereton sent off - and whilst I can see why it was given as a red, it was a fairly soft one and 8 or 9 times out 10 that is a yellow at most - and the sending off then affects our ability to get back into the game, especially as it comes so soon after making 4 subs and changing the formation. The game yesterday - lots of teams will lose to Leeds, and tbh I can't imagine many of us saw us getting 3 points here, but that said we did ok - especially in the first half. Again we created 2 or 3 clear cut chances, plus had a goal ruled out for less contact on their defender than there was on Travis for their first. Had we managed to get back to 1-1 or even to get our noses in front then the second half may have been a different game. Like I say it's disappointing/annoying to have lost all 3 games, but I think we were unlucky to lose at least 2 of those and there's a danger of letting the results colour our view of the performances. And on Mowbray generally - obviously he's made some mistakes. The signings of Gallagher and Brereton look worse by the week, and Walton - there's glimpses of a player in there - he had a decent spell of games from mid-Jan to the start of the lockdown, but his form at the beginning of the season and especially since the restart has been atrocious - so that has to be another black mark against the manager. However, when you consider the run of injuries we've had this season, I think he's done a decent enough job to have us up with a chance of the playoffs for so long. For instance, against Barnsley we were missing 4 left backs, our main centre-half, 2 centre-mids, and our best/most creative/most prolific player - and like I said we still dominated the game, in the first half at least. (To put that into perspective, if you took Liverpool - arguably the best team in the world atm - and this afternoon against Villa took away Robertson, Milner + the next two in line for LB, Van Dijk, Henderson & Fabinho plus one of either Mane or Salah - I would probably back them still to win, but it would be much more in the balance than with those players - many on here don't seem to be able accept that missing so many means that it's more likely that we will struggle against teams like Barnsley.) And, I know that's just one game, but we've been missing Cunningham, Evans and Dack for a large chunk of the season. Dack in particular, at the time when he got injured, was such a blow. Our team was built around him, almost everything went through him and he got injured just at the start of a run of games in quick succession, which didn't give us chance to adjust properly and meant we had a poor run in those games around Christmas. When we finally did have time to adjust properly we got back to playing well and went on a good run, which got us within touching distance of the playoffs. And again, for those who don't see the importance of losing just 1 or 2 key men from your team, I have a City supporting mate who is adamant that the reason the gap between them and Liverpool is so big this season is down to Laporte being injured for much of the season. If a team that has spent half a Billion £s on players can be so affected by the loss of just one player, then surely we can accept that losing our best player might just affect Rovers a little bit. I realise that I'm shouting into the void somewhat on here - as many of you made up your minds on Mowbray a long time ago. But for me, I can see progression each season and so I think that he has earned next season to see if we can make a serious, sustained push for the playoffs. If not, then I may well come round to the group mentality on here and call for him to be replaced.
    5 points
  23. If the EFL don't apply the points deduction then there will be a club getting relegated to League One instead who haven't been into administration. In the cases of Middlesbrough, Hull, Huddersfield or Stoke such a relegation could be financially catastrophic There would be lawsuits left right and centre and rightly so. The League will be hoping and praying that Wigan get themselves 13 points clear before the end of the season, apply the 12 penalty and they still survive. That way nobody complains.
    5 points
  24. Shame he didn’t think about that before he waxed £12 Million on two strikers that don’t score and plays one of them out wide. While leaving wide players on the bench. Then, he has the brass neck to crack on about FFP!
    5 points
  25. How is he going to do that when he admitted last week he has no idea as to his budget and probably won't do until he goes to India to request it, which is likely to be August? Even if by some miracle they decide to give him more money to spend, would you seriously have confidence in him using it to get to the top 6 next season given the huge wages he has used up on players he rarely uses? The aim shouldn't be top 6 anyway, in the same way his aim this season shouldn't have been 70 points. It is setting the bar too low. You aim for automatic promotion then take the top 6 as a consolation if that can't be achieved. You reckon any of the managers currently in the top 6 started the season aiming for 3rd to 6th?
    5 points
  26. We don’t want to be a midt-table team. We’ve come out of League One, we’ve consolidated and we want to push on and get into that top six. Maybe this group of players aren’t ready for that yet. That is a quote from Mowbray post match yesterday. It's the biggest admission yet that he is failing (although there is some buck passing) as this is his team, quite expensively assembled, and we have no identity, no way of playing, tactics which simply aren't suited to the players he has brought in and weaknesses in key positions. Quite simply we have peaked and now plateaued with Mowbray in charge. He is the archetypal win one, draw one and lose one manager.
    5 points
  27. Well that £12m + wages is going to define his time here. It'll be the reason we have to sell promising players and why we haven't been able to reinforce areas of weakness.
    4 points
  28. Agreed but setting a target of 70 points is completely pointless anyway as I can't remember the last time that figure got anyone into the play offs, the figure is usually at least 74 or 75. Who on earth sets a target of finishing just outside the play offs? I'm sure Mowbray was aware of what he was saying and it just goes to emphasise how he is taking everyone and the owners for fools by doing the bare minimum, muddling along and keeping himself and his coaching staff and the majority of his squad in a long term job. If he wasn't aware that 70 points doesn't secure a play off place then that merely serves to underline his incompetence and the fact that he was never really serious about aiming for promotion in the first place.
    4 points
  29. Mowbray "it will be great to have Leeds back in the Premiership, im looking forward to seeing them there" Piss off Tony. Any manager that comes out with crap like that shouldnt be here.
    4 points
  30. The manager has to shoulder some responsibility for the missed chances imo. When you constantly buy wide right sided forwards with no real goal scoring pedigree you simply cannot be surprised when they spurn good chances. Good strikers do but they also sniff out goals and often take that one gilt edged chance that might fall for them in games. Poor strikers don't and there's a world of difference. We know TM has a weak spot when it comes to a proper defensive set up but it seems he's similar in the striker dept. If that was Graham, Armstrong or Dack missing them you moan but when it's Gallagher or Samuel or Brereton you cannot be in the least bit surprised. There's 3 there combined cost of about 12 million with barely a consistent scoring record between them they just aren't finishers or poachers. He should be trying to make at least one of them into a proper target man but he doesn't so putting your stock in them to win you games is misguided. It's poor management i'm sorry but he has to be called out on it, what we see from Samuel is just history repeating itself but he's obsessed with him for some unfathomable reason. What we see from Gallagher & brereton are two lads shot of confidence not helped in anyway by the constant messing around with their positions. No team who was 1 point off the play offs should be playing like they don't believe but this lot do.
    4 points
  31. I'm not sure what you are getting at here. Yes Blackburn is a town. What relevance is that to the aims, ambitions and prospects of Blackburn Rovers? Would the granting of city status suddenly transform our club and improve its prospects? Were Sunderland and Wolves small clubs and then suddenly became big clubs when they got City status? Are Preston in a higher category to us now? Are Leyton Orient or Salford bigger than us because they are based in big cities rather than a town? Its all meaningless. Suits those upstairs at Ewood Park to feed it to the fans though.
    4 points
  32. Not going to regurgigate all of my thoughts from yesterday but basically I think his time here is up. Every manager has a finite lifespan at a club and I firmly feel Mowbray has reached his. He can't get a consistent tune out of this team and never really has been able to. Even in L1 our performances fluctuated drastically, the only difference is we were much better man-for-man than practically every team we faced so even a poor performance often resulted in a narrow win. The Championship requires more tactical nous and transfer market know-how than I think TM has to offer. He hasn't been a failure by any stretch of the imagination (except BB and SG which are two horrendous mistakes), but to me it's quite clear he can't push us any further forward. Time to say thanks and move on. I have no faith in Venky's making a better appointment but treading water is no good either. I think we end up in the same place whether we stick with TM or make a poor appointment, so rolling the dice seems to be the best option. Just my opinion as far as future prediction is concerned though, obviously.
    4 points
  33. Thats ridiculous.. Shall we just switch off and forget our football club.?
    4 points
  34. It's all about priorities isn't it. I'd argue that giving a very good manager say £2 Million a year on a 3 year deal would have benefitted the club more than spending £5 Million plus wages over 4 years on Sam Gallagher.
    4 points
  35. Well for a start, I'd slash Waggott's reported £300k to £100k and throw that into the pot. If Waggott's not happy with that then good luck finding another job and I think he'd need it! Better still, just get rid of him!!!
    4 points
  36. Its called ambition. Aim high, not low. Convince yourself that decent managers aren't attainable and you don't get them. Make those People good offers and leave them with a decision to make. I assume Venkys are richer than Berylson at Millwall? Does Jokanovic want to manage in the Premier League again against elite managers and players or waste the best days of his career in the Qatar micky mouse league?
    4 points
  37. HMS Gestede sailed a long while ago. Warnock had him weighed up in five minutes.
    4 points
  38. No excuse for Mowbray's player trading. IMO, his judgement is awful. Evidence, £20million+ (including wages) spunked up the wall on Brereton and Gallagher for starters. Add to that the sale of Raya only to be replaced by Walton. IMO, Raya was p1ssed off with Mowbray singling him out and also the coaching he was getting from the community trust lad from Carlisle.
    4 points
  39. And Waggott is complicit in this farce too. He is (allegedly) in charge and should have said no when Mowbray wanted to splurge money on players who simply will not contribute. The absolute brass neck of them both when the club are going round with the begging bowl to season ticket holders.
    4 points
  40. Delusion---on your part and his. He hasn't got the ability or the desire. Simply stating that he'll be continuing in the role. So more pain in store for us.
    4 points
  41. Why? Because keeping him as manager is what he thinks the club will do. He goes at the end of the season and he’ll be all ‘Correct move for all involved. Time to move on’.
    4 points
  42. Just read Mowbray post match drivel. Not posting a link as some may wish to avoid it. He's demented but not going anywhere. I've had enough Fuck off Mowbray you Tool.
    4 points
  43. Asks Nyambe to cover the entire right flank on his own, then berates him when teams get in behind him. He's a bad man manager.
    3 points
  44. I voted no, but he needs to be fully assessed at seasons end. If he rights the ship these last five, and we finish in the top half of the division, after our injuries, I do not see how it would help our situation going forward to fire him. This is beyond our scope, but he should absolutely not be sacked unless there is a clearly identified replacement. For those who voted to sack, why would you want him canned unless you have an idea who you would want? you might at least have 1-2 candidates in mind- McCarthy might be decent. Nigel Adkins (just throwing a name out), etc.
    3 points
  45. Hatred? The reason that hes come under fire is that early on his attribute ie being quick and able to run at people were excited as they arent attribues weve seem often from Rovers players in recent years. 2 years on, a record of 2 goals and 3 assists is nowhere near enough and far too often he is totally ineffective. Holtby started the game really well but totally faded I would agree and was overall quite poor.
    3 points
  46. If we take away the two big money buys i think Mowbray has done a decent job of sorting Rovers out to be fair. The bigger picture says straight back from league 1, midtable consolidation and what should be higher placed finish this time. Several youth blooded and a couple of his buys worth a lot more that he paid for them. All that is in his plus column anybody looking at managers would say that's a reasonable return. Yes we know when it's analyzed in all its gory detail there's a lot more to it but anybody glancing in from the outside just sees that. Where its all fell down in the minus column is the two huge money by our standards signings and the fact he clearly hasn't got a scooby what he supposed to be doing with them. Added in we'll have to assemble a new back line again with no money shows that he really is floundering to actually build a side. If he'd started from the back like he should have done two years ago we'd probably still only be midtable again but the base for several seasons to come would be in place. For the first time under him i genuinely fear for next season.
    3 points
  47. I'll probably be in a minority of one, but I've been there before, so I'll repeat what I said on another thread. I would have fired him at the end of the season we got promoted. I thought he was a pretty one dimensional manager with out dated ways of thinking. We didn't play well enough for long enough in games for my liking. He would have got another job on the strength of his relative success at Rovers and we could have got somebody in who could have taken us to another level. Of course the fly in my ointment is always " Would the Chicken Chokers have enough brain power to appoint someone who would be an improvement " It's a moot point but as fans we can't carry on down the road of minimum ambition even if they do. So should he be fired now ? Yes, I think he should. Just as he should have been fired this time last season when we went into another free fall.
    3 points
  48. I agree that Mowbray looks like he's out of ideas and energy too. I think he would walk away if paid off, maybe for less than the full term of his contract Also for Venkys it's a pretty bad situation. They're losing money hand over fist, just invested £12m in near worthless players, and probably their only real concern is to reduce their year on year losses. But realistically to avoid future even more severe losses they need to invest more money in the hope we get promoted. It's a toxic cycle.. At some point which cannot really be that far away they are going to say fuck this and then it will really kick off. I think all fans should mentally prepare themselves for when we go bankrupt. Arguably the best thing for the club would be to wind the wage bill down further to a level supportable by the club's income and take our chances on unknown talent and the youth team. Not the most glamorous future but it will keep us alive when Venkys fuck off.
    3 points
  49. Apart from sunderland for a limited time what's he actually done. Yeah he gets angry and shouts that will wear off really quickly there is a reason he's been out of work for ages. I still think with our more workman squad someone like Rowett would do an excellent job
    3 points
  50. It’s hard to argue with that - if promotion is the aim. But you’d have to say that Arma would need to play on the left of a 3 up top to be successful (or up top itself) as opposed to left wing in a 4-4-2.
    3 points
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