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  1. den

    General Election 2019

    As a balance with this attack on Blair for Iraq, maybe we should give him credit for his part in bringing peace to Northern Ireland and to ending the ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. I don’t remember his detractors ever mentioning tonibler in their recollections of his 13 years in office. “The conflict had seen widespread persecution of ethnic Albanians in Kosovo as Kosovo sought to gain independence from Yugoslavia. Blair was credited as being instrumental in ending the conflict, and boys born following the war were sometimes given the name Toni or Tonibler.[1]” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonibler
  2. den

    General Election 2019

    Labour need to become more “professional”. They need to get together a strategy that gives them the best chance of winning. This might sound out of order, but they need to say things that will win them an election, rather than say things they might believe in. They can do what they believe in when they’ve won power. thats what the Tories do.
  3. den

    General Election 2019

    ? Blair will be the only labour prime minister over the last 50 years if the Tories see out 5 years. 3 election wins, two landslides. That tells us something.
  4. den

    General Election 2019

    When labour start doing what the press want they are well and truly stuffed.
  5. den

    General Election 2019

    I know many labour voters who wouldn’t vote for Corbyn whatever happened Phil. In fact most of the MP’s who did the door stepping said that’s the message they got continually.
  6. den

    General Election 2019

    It needed either a two thirds or three quarter majority vote Tyrone. That couldn’t have been reached without Labour voting for it.
  7. den

    General Election 2019

    He went along with it and look what happened. Couldn’t have been worse.
  8. den

    General Election 2019

    No mate, I didn’t mean that.
  9. den

    General Election 2019

    You’re a good moderator K-H and appreciate your efforts, but IMO I think you’re going a bit over the top on this. You’re removing posts that have very little harm in them.
  10. den

    General Election 2019

    So much to take in, so many factors to consider, so much to understand. I doubt there will be another GE where so many factors are actively in play at the same time. To single out one reason for this result would be to mislead ourselves. This wasn’t about brexit alone, nor was it about Corbyn alone. The tactics used by all parties needs careful consideration. All these were factors in last nights results. Consider this. The result has gone along with the majority of polls pre-election night which all gave the Tories a lead - on average around 10%. Yet those same pollsters repeatedly showed that remain was ahead of leave. undoubtedly leavers got their act together when the remain parties wouldn’t talk to each other. A huge mistake on their part. Just over a month ago Johnson had gone past his October 31st do or die, “rather be dead in a ditch” deadline and was completely in political no mans land. A second referendum when remain was tipped to win was virtually at a 50% level and growing as it looked like the only way out. Against the serious warnings and anger of many Labour MP’s, Corbyn fell for Johnsons only other way out - a general election. That decision alone lost Corbyn his job, lost Labour the election and gave Johnson the go ahead to do whatever he wants to do including leaving with no deal. Swinson must also take some blame here, a large proportion of blame. Her red line of refusing to talk to Corbyn has cost her her job, cost her party - which has already been suffering from their years of support for the Tory government and its austerity agenda, - big time. She really is no political mastermind and deserves her fate. We’ll be out of the EU soon, that’s a fact now. But where do we go? Johnson will decide on all our behalf’s, whether we stay close to the EU or whether we turn our backs on those 27 EU countries and head across the Atlantic for our future trade. That is a massive choice. I know what I would do.
  11. den

    General Election 2019

    Not hard to work out why. you need to get down to the very basic instincts that brexit attracted, the very thing that the brexit discussion always came back to- and it certainly wasn’t the Conservative party.
  12. den

    General Election 2019

    For Labour, the bottom line to all this is that people hated corbyn. I never met anyone who liked him. The corbynistas will argue it was down to the difficulties of brexit, but they will be wrong. Where will they go from here? Well if they replace him with a Corbyn look alike they will lose by even more next time. The hard left will never win for the Labour Party. How many more times do they need telling.
  13. den

    General Election 2019

    Anna Soubrey reminding people that it was Labour and the LD’s who called the election when a people’s vote was in reach.
  14. den

    General Election 2019

    Er no. That’s because the Tories decided on austerity. Anyone see the hypocracy of people donating to homeless charities this Christmas rather than sending Christmas cards, then voting for the conservatives?
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