Think this schematic (not my own) proves what OEB is saying.

McEvoy, McGrath, Stapleton and Beglin should all be in. Steven Reid and Joe Haverty were both better than Mahon.

Really useful information Kamy. Certain areas of Europe might not have a problem with the English. I've spent a lot of time in Portugal where I have been amazed at how good the children speak English and not only in the Algarve where it is vital for their future. I also worked for a large German multi-national where employment depended on working knowledge of English. Which probably means for some players it all hinges on the appropriate skill level. Wonder whether small clubs might be able to claim they cannot get the young players because the large Academies sign all the talented ones.

Totally agree with you. My point was that the club has been placed in a problematic situation with this one. Like you I would prefer practical help to Tony as the priority. Beyond that recognition would be nice but not in a manner that suggests it has been brought about by his illness. I don't think it is arguable that he deserves something at Ewood to remind us of him. My suggestion was that if he was included in recognition with other luminaries that would not arise. There was more to the man than just player and manager. Along with Faz and Butch he was the reliable choice when the club was represented at social functions, was often sent to scout players and the opposition and was Jack's ears when he left for Jersey. I think this is one that needs thinking about and I don't blame Waggott for taking his time, as long as there is an end result. There is the additional complication that he was treated disgracefully when he was dismissed so like I said a lot to take on board.

Nothing to do with Parkes. Just trying to point out that we should remember that the club owes a debt to those who built it over 150 years. Perhaps the 1995 was misleading. No argument from me about him receiving recognition. I think though if you will check out Jim Forrest's past you will find an equally deserving case.

To be fair the club perhaps needs to be careful about what they do regarding Tony Parkes. Quite a lot of fans believe, like LV, that the naming of the stands was an attempt to lower dissent. Paying due tribute to Tony Parkes, whilst timely, might create some negative reaction particularly if the gesture is not deemed adequate or a publicity stunt. Paying tribute to old players of similar merit at the same time might be a way forward. Jim Forrest, Harry Healless and Bill Eckersley have similar claims to Parkes and finding some way of paying tribute to all four would display a feeling that this club was founded in 1875 not 1995. Personally I have always believed that the club should honour a founder by creating the T J Syckelmore Hot Dog Stall.

They used to reckon that Bill did stand up as well as any professional comic. He and Jack Campbell were great jokers but Bill once got one over on him. Staying away he shinned down the drain pipe into Campbell's room, clad in a balaclava and took his watch and wallet.

Don't think this is correct. Ribeiro only returned from Angola in the last days of December to take over a club in the Portuguese Fourth Division. Pretty sure that the guy is Bruno Reis who has been at the Rovers for about three years as scout of the opposition teams.

My thoughts too Tyrone although it was two midfielders not Adarabioyo. Actually if you look at the sequence I'm impressed by the improvement Mowbray and Venus have made to the defence. They played a near perfect off side trap, only Lenihan a bit out of sync but the other three moved in line and at the same speed, completely nullifying the most dangerous possibility the slipped through pass. This forced the guy to shoot and unless he hits a fantastic shot there is no danger and the defence has done its job. The shot was good but not world beating, the problem is that Walton just got a big hand to it. Good goalkeepers flick the wrist and divert it wide. Not to sure how much blame you can give Walton. I don't think it's in his skill set. To blame any of the defence is to me wrong. You can't play off side and still be expected to be goal side of your man. The laws of momentum were that Middlesbrough were moving forward and the defence was coming out. Therefore if the ball rebounds there is only one winner. Ironically the guy who had fallen into the trap was the one who profited.

Was once present when Tom Finney was asked about Matthews demanding a fee and he just said- that's just Stan. Eckersley and Ramsey used to room together with England and Eckersley reckoned that when he woke up Ramsey always said "Good Morning William", was the only one who never called him Bill.

18 April 1961 Bill Eckersley Ewood Park 9-11 Blackburn Rovers-R.Jones, J.Bray, K.Taylor (D.Whelan), A.McEvoy, M.Woods, R.Clayton, B.Douglas, E.Crossan, T.Briggs, R.Vernon, R.Langton Bill Eckersley XI- Eddie Hopkinson, J.Armfield, W.Eckersley, M.Setters, N.Franklin, J.Campbell, Cheung Chi Doy, W.Mannion, T.Finney, S.Mortensen, R.Charlton Scorers BR Vernon (5), Crossan (2), Douglas, Briggs BE-Charlton (5), Finney 2 (1 pen), Setters, Mannion, Mortensen, Campbell Matthews had agreed to play but on the day asked for a fee. Eckersley went to Blackpool that morning to persuade him to play without because no-one was getting paid but he still refused so Eckersley picked up the young Chinese lad and brought him back to play.

Yes quite correct. Comes of using a childhood memory that he had so many caps and only one First Division appearance. He played the season after promotion until he got injured. Have asked Kamy to amend wording.

So you think this is worse than making a totally wrong statement and labelling six players as insignificant and worthless.

Would enjoy seeing you stand up in a few bars in LIsbon I could name and calling Nuno Gomes crap.

Only of keyboard warriors like you. Would you tell Edinho's father, a fair footballer himself, to his face that that his son was a Portuguese no mark. And if you're including Nuno Gomes in that group it demonstrates nothing other than a complete ignorance.

Henley yes, Lowe was from Leigh but his family were long standing Rovers' fans.

Strange that you continue the thread with no admission that your original statement was entirely incorrect.

Interesting that your response is an attempt at legal pedantry rather than any attempt to justify the veracity of your original statement.

What I was alluding to was that he is a small keeper with lightning fast reflexes. TM said that he wanted a big man to dominate the area. That's not Ramos.

You'd have trouble if JA opted for litigation. Nuno Gomes signed after his agent (his brother) trawled him around Europe looking for a last big contract. Nuno Gomes recommended Fabio Nunes which brought his agent Marco Correia de Oliveira in contact with Shebby Singh. He convinced him that because of the low compensation calculations for young players in Europe it was financially advantageous to sign young Portuguese players, which was how the next three players arrived. The final one, Nuno Henrique, was Shebby's attempt at free lancing where he was conned by Academica. Anderson was well off the Ewood scene by then, apart from pleading for a new contract for his son.

If they were interested in a Tondela player it was probably the goalkeeper Claudio Ramos. He's one of the best in Portugal and out of contract in June. However he's very similar to Raya which would tend to discount this.

Given the laws of contract I'd be interested to know how you arrive at the savings you quote.

Own goals were seldom assigned by reporters. Crompton's contributions are taken from newspaper reports which state that he had the final touch. As far as I can gather one of the reasons is that he often tried to protect the goalkeeper and tried to block a lot of shots. It was well known that before he trusted a new goalkeeper he would spend a lot of time covering him.

Goalkeeping coaches (and the goalkeepers they coached) Terry Gennoe 1991- Jun 1997 b. Shrewsbury 16 March 1953 (Bobby Mimms, Tim Flowers, Matt Dickins, Frank Talia, Shay Given, Chris McCrone) Roy Tunks Jul 1997- October 2004 b. Wuppertal 21 January 1951 (Brad Friedel, Alan Fettis, Anthony Williams, Chris McCrone, Gary Stewart, Alan Kelly, John Filan,Tim Flowers, Michael Bingham, Alan Miller, Ryan Robinson, Keiron Renton, David Stevenson, Peter Enckelman, David Yelldell) Kevin Hitchcock October 2004-June 2008 b.Camden Town 5 October 1962 (Brad Friedel, Steve Drench, David Yelldell, Peter Enckelman, Richard Lee, Frank Fielding, Jason Brown, Bjorn Bussman,Guunar Nielsen) Eric Steele June 2008-August 2008 b.Wallsend 14 May 1954 (Jason Brown, Frank Fielding) Bobby Mimms August 2008-December 2012 b. Bulmer,York 12 October 1963 (Paul Robinson, Jason Brown, Mark Bunn, Andreas Arestidou, Bjorn Bussman, Jake Kean, Frank Fielding, Matt Urwin, Chris Dilo, Seb Usai, Gergorz Sandomierski) John Keeley January 2013-November 2015 b. Plaistow 27 July 1961 (Jake Kean, Seb Usai, Gergorz Sandomierski, Matt Urwin, Chris Dilo,David Raya,Simon Eastwood,Paul Robinson, Jason Steele,Ryan Crump) Laurence Batty November 2015 –Jun’16 b. Westminster 15 February 1964 (Jason Steele, David Raya, Simon Eastwood, Ryan Crump,Andy Fisher) Phil Hughes Jul’16-Feb’17 b.Belfast 19 November 1964 (Jason Steele, David Raya, Andrew Fisher,Josh Powell) Ben Benson Mar'17- (Jason Steele, David Raya, Andrew Fisher, Charlie Albison, Aaron Dillon,Oliver Byrne,Jayson Leutwiler,Christian Walton,Joe Hilton) Benson played in goal for a couple of junior teams in the Carlisle area before deciding to become a coach, specialising in goalkeeping.

In those nine years with the club sinking inexorably all we have received in the way of communication are reports on how things are improving and how the future is bright. Only Lambert has ever dissented from the party line. The consultation meetings are a waste of time since it only gives a platform to those with a vested interest to propagate further spin. Hats off to those who attempt to put them on the spot but the cynic in me tells me that evasion, obfuscation and lies will prevail.