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  1. broadsword

    Brexit

    It's not "in effect 1-1" in any way whatsoever. 2016 was an advisory vote on membership. A people's vote now would be on the negotiated deal. I can't set any way no deal will happen now. There'll be no renegotiation of the wa. A general election won't resolve anything. The only way out of this nightmare is a people's vote, or just revoke the whole bloody thing
  2. broadsword

    Brexit

    He'd be insane to go for a GE. Surely the only way it would happen is if there's a vote of no confidence?
  3. broadsword

    Brexit

    How we got here was a disaster capitalist coup by a small group of greedy, wealth-extracting, tax-avoiding disaster capitalists along with their media-mogul mates brain-washing the gullible. How has the UK being in the EU been to your personal detriment?
  4. broadsword

    Brexit

    So Bercow can stop parliament being prorogued?
  5. broadsword

    Brexit

    Who would the new PM renegotiate with? There's no EU negotiation team left. Boris Johnson would be in a room on his own. They're mad, all of them. Tusk was very clear that the UK shouldn't waste the extension, but that's exactly what we've done. By the time it gets down to the EU saying "no you can't have another extension", there wouldn't be time left for a referendum to be called. It would either then be jump or pull the plug. Except parliament wouldn't let us jump, at which point I'm convinced Johnson would try to suspend parliament.
  6. broadsword

    Brexit

    Maybe it's just my pessimistic feeling. I just get the feeling that Labour just won't do it, because Corbyn in my view has been an exceptionally weak leader on the issue of Brexit. I don't see the Brexit party as winning that many seats, they've get a significant number of votes, but actual seats? I'm not sure. How many seats would you see them getting? The whole thing is exceptionally difficult to foresee, anything could happen really. I'm into the territory of hunches here.
  7. broadsword

    Brexit

    Citizen's assembly, it's too late for that. Should've had one before the referendum, not three years afterwards. I can't see No Deal happening at all. Parliament just won't allow it. Bercow won't allow it. As you say, a general election is a non-starter, the Tories would take a doing, and we all know that they care about the welfare of their party above the welfare of their country. A second referendum is the only solution thatw ill finish this once and for all, but as you note, it's the one thing that they won't do. I seem to remember Hunt saying that he'd renegotiate the WA, this is pure pie-in-the-sky stuff. If he got in, he'd try to hold a gun against parliament's head to get the WA through, fail, try to renegotiate, fail, and then possibly resign before a no-confidence vote? If Johnson got in, he's a loose cannon, I'm guessing he'd try to prorogue parliament. All hell would let loose, I'd guess that he wouldn't succeed, and we'd end up with a general election. I think in any case, there'll be heavy pressure for an election soon, and I would guess it would be another narrow win for the tories, and the hell of brexit will just go on and on.
  8. broadsword

    Brexit

    And in any case, does it disprove the claim that brexit Britain is a laughing stock? Nope. It is in fact, a first class case of whataboutery
  9. broadsword

    Brexit

    You've flounced off here more than once
  10. broadsword

    Brexit

    He doesn't have to substantiate anything to the likes of me. I guess he'll carry on throwing tantrums until this thread is a Nigel fanboy echo chamber of cognitive dissonance.
  11. broadsword

    Brexit

    Biggest constitutional change for decades. Leave wants to change the status quo, so they have to win the case overwhelmingly. That is fair. If it's such a brilliant idea, then they'll obviously make it. What's liberalism? Who said that I'm a liberal. Just one vote could have won the 2016 referendum. Look how that's turned out. We live in a parliamentary democracy, it's parliament that's sovereign. Too many people have fallen for right-wing populism, because they've suffered at the hands of Westminster, the regions have been starved of money. What is needed is to find a way to cancel Brexit then stop funding tax cuts for the rich and instead put it into building up the national infrastructure.
  12. broadsword

    Brexit

    Yes, I agree, the threshold for leave winning should always have been higher. I would set it at 70%
  13. broadsword

    Brexit

    So if No Deal is off the table, May's deal being the only available deal, and there's no backing for that. Then really, it's a referendum or revocation. The only doubt would be what happens if leave wins again?
  14. broadsword

    Brexit

    Would it remove them from office, though? They absolutely deserve to be out, no argument. But I don't think Corbyn can do it and then you'll be left with probably another minority tory government and no majority in the house for any of the brexit options. Just another waste of time, I'd say. A general election is not on any way a way out of this mess
  15. broadsword

    Brexit

    A general election solves nothing
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