Jump to content

Paul

Members
  • Content Count

    12,562
  • Joined

  • Last visited

  • Days Won

    14

About Paul

  • Rank
    World Cup

Profile Information

  • Location
    Chorley, LANCASHIRE HOME OF BRFC

ST

  • Season Ticket Stand
    Jack Walker Stand

Shiny Badges

  • Badge of Awesome
    Former Admin, News Editor & a million more things
  • Podcast Guest
    Regular co-host

Recent Profile Visitors

15,724 profile views
  1. Paul

    Brexit

    Here we are taking back control by asking 27 nations to attempt to influence our sovereign Parliament: " It will also appeal to EU leaders to ask MPs to reconsider their decision, and vote for the deal the UK and EU have agreed without any further delays."
  2. Paul

    Brexit

    I'm not sure you are in a minority as @den suggests though it's clear the majority now wish to remain I do feel you're moving in a circle that simply does not understand the consequences of Brexit. I understand your frustration as a Leave voter. I would though urge you to fully understand what the EU does. The UK benefits in so many small ways which the headlines ignore. The impact of Brexit on this country will be enormous, devastating. It's clear you do not understand what you are supporting. Please research and understand what the EU gives us. It is truly irreplaceable.
  3. Paul

    Brexit

    @chaddyrovers says who? I fully appreciate people tend to make friends with those they agree with. I would estimate my social circle is about 250 people. Of those 250 only two admit they voted leave. Amongst this group are people whose views I disagree with quite strongly. All though want to remain in the EU though some did vote Leave. I really don't think you understand how many people feel. The balance shifted away from 52-48 a very long time ago.
  4. Paul

    Brexit

    Good God how much longer can this stagger on? Do these Tory idiots not understand the country does not want Brexit. Another defeat for Johnson.
  5. Paul

    Attendances

    You can see I agreed with £15/game for everyone which is alreadty available to anyone who buys an ST! Missing the point? You used the term "membership" and described season tickets as "outdated," saying they should be outdated. Initially you did not mention this membership would carry all the same benefits as being a season ticket holder. In another post you said the following: "Come on Mr Waggott, show your leadership and be brave. It is no longer 1970 in our great town. We need 18,000 average gates and your task is to deliver that. Think outside of this box I have to type in. We need to innovate our whole approach to selling our product to our (potential) customers." "As with everything in life, the innovative forward thinkers will lead the way in change. Huddersfield as one example have taken this route to answer your question." From what I now understand the existing season ticket would be replaced by a membership that carries with it all the existing benefits of an ST. In other words change the name of the product. There would be a change from the current payment schedules from the eight or ten months, I don't know how long it is, direct debit to a 12 month payment schedule. Other than reducing the price to £15 for everyone (already available via an ST) can you explain the innovative out of the box thinking? I'm unable to see it. From what I can gather it would be membership holders who make one annual payment who become the wealthy, elitist super fans you chose to deride and dismiss because they are "Opportunities for the few keeping the many away from Ewood (and other grounds)" Given we have 8600 ST holders and 2-3000 walk ons I'm wondering who "the few" are? My impression is "the few" make up +/- 70% of the gate. Are you suggesting that we have 8600 ST holders 20000 have decided not to attend? The bulk of the Ewood crowd has always been ST holders. You favour auto renew. This is a con which has significant benefits for the supplier and none for the consumer. Are you unaware of how upset people get when they realise they have signed a "continuous authority" and suddenly find they've paid for something they no longer want. Personally I wouldn't go near anything which auto-renewed. The whole point of auto-renew from a business perspective is to attempt to catch out the consumer. Give it a year and there would be uproar on here when fans discover they have been auto-renewed and can't get out of it.
  6. Paul

    Attendances

    I can't comment as to whether or not £15 is too much for some people. I simply don't know though I'm quite capable of understanding there households where income is so low £15 is a problem. Finding the right words here is difficult but I'd suggest if the household budget is very tight whether the ticket price is £10 or £15 is unlikely to make a difference. What I cannot understand is just how the club is meant to gain income if we go below £15? There is absolutely no evidence the 18000 OldeWoodBlue suggests will come are going to. Please don't drag up Oxford - we all know the debate and it distracts from the season long issue. I have not given out a yellow card!!! It was not me who suggested "tough go and do something else." It's not a perceived tone Stuart. Those of us who chose to buy an ST upfront have been described as "elitist," "wealthy," "super fans." I'd suggest there are a large number of fans at Ewood who don't match that description. I suggest @OldEwoodBlue goes on the BBE, identifies some ST holders and tells them that is his view. How he gets on will be interesting. What I did was to explain my personal circumstances and why I need an ST. Allowing those who want an ST, regardless of the payment method, doesn't mean I disregard the needs or wants of others. We have 20,000 empty seats, there is plenty of room to accommodate many different requirements. It is OEB who disregards the needs of others. Along the length of the JWL we have disabled fans with a variety of needs. There carers sit nearby and I presume have STs. These people, like me, need the security of knowing where they will sit. As an aside it can be extremely stressful for some when there routine is disrupted. My own son will be unhappy if I simply swap seats with him - I'm not joking. The only remarks I make about ticket prices are an ST is very good value. I've made no remarks to suggest I don't care about affordability for others. What I would suggest is if one's disposable income is so tight that £15 is a problem the individual might question whether or not he/she should attend at all. Dropping to £10 doesn't really make a difference, possibly £5 would. All I can say on this is if I only had £15 to spare I wouldn't be spending it at Ewood.
  7. Paul

    Attendances

    @OldEwoodBlue If everyone is paying £15 or whatever I'm OK with this provided my ST does not increase. I still believe an ST holder who pays up front should receive a good deal but in the interest of filling the ground I'll ignore it. I'm struggling with the view holding a season ticket makes me an elitist, wealthy, super fan. I put aside money every month to cover all my one off household expenses. This ranges from the water bill, car insurance, Christmas through to season tickets and a host of other things. I fully understand there are people who for one reason or another cannot or do not wish to budget in this way. If there are no season tickets we will probably stop going. Why? 1. My son is disabled. I need guaranteed seats with a good line of vision. Ideally these are aisle seats approximately on the halfway line. I need to be as sure as possible no one will stand up in front of my lad. I need as few steps to the seats as possible 2. Our current STs guarantee this 3. I do not want to have to remember to buy tickets every home game 4. If there is some form of "guarantee your seat" as with cup games. I do not want this. I'm too busy to remember. 5. I do not want to worry about my tickets turning up in the post If you want to piss off 8600 fans by describing them as wealthy, elitist super fans you've certainly achieved it with this one. It's nice to know after 37 years of having an ST, in that time I was often buying four, I've never really been welcome in the ground in the eyes of some fans. I find your posts in this tone quite appalling. It seems you have a severe problem with people who chose to run their lives differently or hold other opinions. I suggest you have a long hard think and decide if this is reasonable behaviour.
  8. Paul

    Brexit

    This is a great and very true post. It's a shame political parties don't understand the point.
  9. Paul

    Attendances

    @Stuart but do you really feel on some sort of £15 deal we would get bumper crowds for attractive fixtures? More generally I see it like this. I don't suggest the club should give up but I simply can't see how anything price related will have a serious impact. Other than ST holders I no longer know anyone who even thinks about going to Ewood. £5 or £10 special offer? 2-3000 for one game perhaps but then a conversion to regular attendance? I just can't see it happening. I've explained my reasons many times. It would be boring to repeat them. The hard truth is we've lost 10,000 from the gate and nothing other than PL football will bring them back. Personally I have serious doubts even PL football would make a huge difference. I would argue the one chance Rovers have would be to market STs in such a way as to make entrance to watch Liverpool, City, etc a very attractive proposition. Palace, Watford, Bournemouth? Hardly sets the pulse racing for many does it?
  10. Paul

    Attendances

    Yes, I thought you were Ozz but wasn't entirely sure. No it's £15 at Chorley, the same as the per game ST price at Ewood. £15 for Chorley - I discovered that when I went to the Stockport game. Not sure what to make of it, I didn't mind a tenner but £15 seems to push it too far. Much the same argument as some put forward about Ewood prices but the football is three divisions higher let alone the facilities.
  11. Paul

    Brexit

    I agree there is an illogical aspect to it. It is though my view the party have failed the electorate for the past three years by not providing an effective opposition. I feel we have been let down and there is no clear idea of where Labour want to take us. With a Tory government in total disarray Labour should be streets ahead. They are not and a huge opportunity has been missed through weak and ineffective leadership. Whether I will vote for another party remains to be seen. I'm unsure if I can hold my nerve on that one. 😄
  12. Paul

    Attendances

    I can't decide if this is a serious suggestion or not? It works if a fan buys one or two offers. Imagine it's a roaring success. £1/week. The club, bouyed by initial success, continues the offer through the season and an individual decides to take up all the offers. 23 home games 23/3 = 7.6 deals. Call it 7 deals for easy maths. By the end of the season the individual is paying £7/week BUT this cost rolls on and on till approximately March of the following season - obviously decreasing as time passes. BBE season ticket is £349 £349/45 = £7.75/week Riverside season ticket £319 which £7.08/week Offers can be dressed up in many different fashions but there is no getting away from the reality an ST is the best value offer we have. Possibly the club should look at payment methods. The season is 40 weeks long. Fans could be given the opportunity to pay £8.72/week or ten payments of £34.90. How many people are still paid weekly? I've no idea. There is a cost to the club. Direct debits, standing orders etc. come at a cost. Administration costs as well. There are two possible solutions to attendances. Significantly reduced prices which I personally don't think will work or PL football. Everything else is short-term window dressing which ultimately has little impact. Fill the ground for three games and then what???? £15/game is also marginally less than the vast majority of the crowd will pay. For me I couldn't care less about that but it may be the start of a rocky road?
  13. Paul

    Brexit

    I hope you are correct. I've read Guardian reports this morning which suggest 18 Labour MPs are ready/prepared to support Johnson. If they do it will be another nail in the coffin for my support for Labour. I'm already struggling to find any reason to support the party in the next general election. If Labour MPs support a corrupt PM and a government to which I am totally opposed that may well be Labour's last chance gone for me.
  14. Paul

    Brexit

    Dave you seem to have been arguing some weeks back that the UK should accept the vote and get on with Brexit. In relation to the movement of food stuffs and plants it is extremely important we remain in the EU. Our membership of the EU allows these products to flow freely between the UK and mainland Europe. If we leave the EU infrastructure for protecting us against potential diseases will cease to exist in relation to this country. The system will still exist but we would no longer be a part of it. 40 years ago we had the infrastructure to handle this, today we do not. That 40 year old infrastructure was complex, time consuming and costly. We could of course continue to trade with the EU in the same manner as today. The difficulty is there is no infrastructure for the UK to check those standards are being met. Would you suggest we simply take it on trust? I note Australia and America do not. The other side of the coin is UK exports to the EU would have to meet EU standards. To continue exporting we would have to put in place the infrastructure to demonstrate our products meet in EU standards. Yet another example of no benefit whatsoever of leaving. We import approximately 30% of our food from EU countries.
  15. Paul

    Brexit

    I don't want to get in to a pensions debate other than to say my wife has similar experience. Are you aware you can "buy" additional years? Buying those years is a no brainer in our house. After three years of increased weekly pension payment the cost is covered. From that point on my wife will be £30/week better off. It's an investment that is repaid in around three years and then provides a dividend of +/- £1500pa for life. Obviously circumstances differ for each individual. You can get an indication of the cost by doing a pension forecast on .gov.uk
×

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.