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  1. Brexit Thread

    Are you sure you're not the one digging in Philip? Copying and pasting some random Twitter account is as desperate as it is meaningless. I didn't vote to improve my personal circumstances, I think the result either way would have had a negligible impact on myself and the majority of people. However, I genuinely believe time will prove the right decision has been made.
  2. Brexit Thread

    Do you think Miller is pro-Brexit? Eh? I'm not...
  3. Brexit Thread

    Um, what? You called my post agreeing with Baz and saying it should be decided by parliament not the government "another daft statement". Yes? Do you remember? It was only a couple of hours ago...
  4. Brexit Thread

    Well, you keep calling my posts saying they should vote on it "daft", and asked why should Labour help calling it an "entirely" Conservative issue. I'm not "making things up", I asked you a question on your opinion given those comments. It was rhetorical, I know already you have contempt for any opinion other than your own and would rather argue and insult than discuss and find common ground.
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    I agree Parliament should be controlling Brexit, that was my point above. But let's not pretend Miller's intention was anything other than to provide pro-Remain MPs the opportunity to block our departure if enough of them dared. If it was just about principle, then her court victory would have been the end of it.
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    So you're against Parliament voting on it then? Or just so stuck in your bigotted ways that you'll argue with everything I'll say, even when I'm agreeing with other Remainers?
  7. Brexit Thread

    You have a point. The campaigns were not fought on a party basis and that seems to cause confusion over what to expect now (don't mention that bloody bus!). It was a main argument for Brexit that our parliament should have final say on the UK's affairs, and I find it concerning that May is playing politics and trying to bypass it. It may dangle a carrot for those ardent Remainers who think their opinion counts more than the 17m Leave votes. But in practice, the government are only going to get voted down when they try something stupid, like they were doing this week. Ideally, everyone should be working together, both in the UK and with the rest of the EU. There should be a civil way to come to a mutually beneficial agreement at the end of all this, on all sides they seem to have forgotten they're representing ordinary people.
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    And that must be one of the daftest responses to a tongue in cheek comment I've seen.
  9. Brexit Thread

    It's a shame we can't go through this process without the politics. Then again, I'd be less inclined to sever ties with the EU if there were no politics involved. There's more advantage than danger in letting Parliament ratify the final deal. Of course it gives that little glimmer of hope to Brussels fetishists that the referendum will ultimately be ignored. But in reality, it will be as (in)effective as Gina Miller's plot to derail Brexit earlier this year; a mixture of duty and self-preservation will see most MPs vote in favour of the deal and further cement the decision made last summer. We could do without the government playing silly games about it.
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    Well, people who oppose equal rights based on sexual preference come across as homophobes and people who make negative sterotypes of foreigners come across as xenophobes. Such attitudes don't help the argument.
  11. Brexit Thread

    There'd be an argument for that if it wasn't for the fact we've never gone to the electorate to approve any of the conditions of our membership of the EU, nor our dealings with any other nation. Treaties have been signed, the Euro was rejected, etc without any consultation of the British public. There's some obvious impracticalities with doing so: a binary vote won't cover all opinions, a multiple option vote is likely to be inconclusive. And given the number on here arguing that because referendums are "advisory" the government can do whatever it wants, why bother?
  12. Brexit Thread

    I think you're letting your personal bias on this specific instance cloud your judgement. Had the result gone the other way, I doubt there'd be a single Remainer arguing it was ok for the government to withdraw from the EU because the referendum was only "advisory".
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    Um, so on how many houses are you still paying the utilities bills for the new tenants? As has been well covered, there's no definitive figure that the UK owes, the obligations are open to interpretation. We're led to believe a figure has been agreed in principle, but that of course is part of negotiating "the deal". If "the deal" falls apart, then the offer goes with it - if your attempt to but a house collapses, you don't have to still pay the price just because you'd agreed it. So then we'd be back to square one, maybe with some independent arbitration to settle things. As for your last point, ignoring democracy is somewhat more serious that running a football club poorly. Perhaps it explains a lot that you think the priority should be the other way round. History shows plenty of people care enough to do something about governments that act out of line.
  14. Brexit Thread

    From a legal perspective, yes. But that's largely because there's no need to make it a legal requirement for the government to act on the "advice" they asked for, realistically there's no way they would do anything else.
  15. Brexit Thread

    But not according to the PM.