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  1. On 08/02/2024 at 21:12, glen9mullan said:

    Now the Mcguire case has been heard, I will now share the chain of events confirmed by four different sources who were ALL in the building on Transfer deadline day.

    I will also dispel some myths and bollocks which has spun around the net.

    GB Spoke with Orlando over a period of a few weeks regarding his interest in Mcguire (DOF Identifies players, his role)

    Orlando had cash bids from Sheff Wednesday and GB Indicated that the club would be willing to buy the player for £5-7 Million including add on, however this was not an offer and it would have to go through the correct channels at the club, as it was subject to due diligence, funds and negotiation by those who do the money side (GB Does not negotiate contracts or fees).

    The deal being pulled mid flight is complete fabrication, Rovers had not progressed to a formal offer, hence he ended up in Sheffield and not Blackburn. HIs agent negotiated with Orlando to have him in England as there was firm interest from two clubs possibly a third.

    Following due diligence, which included using overseas data analysis, the clubs wide scouting network, it was clear that Mcguire had just seven months ago been playing college football, (The equivalent of turning out at pleasington on a Sunday). He was at nearly 23 a late rookie breakout last season in the MLS, Which in all fairness is a not the highest standard.  GB Wanted the player, so the club negotiated a "Try before you buy" offer, instead of spunking millions at a relatively unknown quantity. Orlando was happy with this, so the player headed to Blackburn.

    All formalities were done by between 8pm and 9pm and the paperwork uploaded. All Seniors were in the building SW, GB, MC and IS. The club opted to wait to announce the deal and ordered curry in to celebrate what they deemed a successful window.

    A sweep was done around the office a number of times with all those involved to ensure everything had been dotted and crossed.

    GB and IS Assured everyone this was the case, please note only the secretary can upload to the portal and press send. No one left the office and the deal was announced.

    At around 11.04 one of the admin girls who I shall not name, told the CEO That it had not been sent. Of course at this point complete devastation for a very large team at Ewood who had put a lot of effort into transfer deadline day.

    Only one person could send this, and everyone else had done their part, that person stated it had gone, to all the senior team and those who play a supporting role. 

    Th fault of this lies solely with the secretary. 

    The background noise of transfers being cancelled mid-flight just did not happen. Adam Wharton's deal was done Wednesday and had no baring on this fiasco.

    The club were hoping time stamps of uploads would get leniency from the EFL, But deep down knew this lad been badly let down and it was never going to end well.

    We have huge sticks and bombs to hit certain people, but truth be told this is one person, who has royally fooooooked it up for everyone.

     

    Question. How would an admin girl be aware that the paperwork hadn’t been submitted?  I work in Asset finance on various proposal and documentation platforms, all protected by password and accessible for certain individuals.  When I hit submit on a proposal, the status changes to submitted on the platform. I can then close the platform and it’s locked again. 
     

    We’ve been told that only the secretary has the permissions and ability to submit and presumably see the progression of the documentation. 
     

    Why, at precisely 11:04 would an admin person be aware that the proposal had not been submitted? What indication would she have? 

    It doesn’t make any sense whatsoever, and after last year I just do not believe that this was a case of incompetence. It stinks to high heaven. 
     

    EDIT: apologies, I see that Jakey asked a very similar question. But as an integral part of the story, it needs some explanation. It’s all too convenient. 
     

     

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  2. Lots of people seemingly happy to swallow the version of events provided by the club. Absolute hogwash from start to finish if you ask me.

    As I suggested last Thursday, there was a stench around the initial half baked reason for canning the McGuire deal. The Wharton transfer did go through on Wednesday evening, I seriously doubt there was ever any issue around it, but certain individuals at Rovers saw it as the perfect excuse to cover for the owners who had pulled the rug again.

    Best guess, once the owners vetoed the loan fee as well, there was nowhere left to go but play the incompetence card. I simply don’t believe that this deal was ever truly meant to go through. I genuinely believe Broughton and JDT would have wanted it done, not at all convinced any of the money men would have.

    As for signing McGuire on a pre-contract…. What a load of absolute bollocks. 

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  3. 55 minutes ago, rovers11 said:

    Surely Gregg has no choice but to resign if the Dunc deal does not go through. You cannot come out in the press a year ago and say you take full responsibility and new measures are in place to ensure that doesn't happen again...and then a year later the same thing happens again. This year is even worse as we actually announced the signing.

    Talk of of a pre-contract being done if it doesn't get ratified now. That seems a long way off though with the very real prospect that we may be in league 1 next season.

    Has anyone considered that by taking the flak last season, GB effectively made his position untenable SHOULD the same thing ever happen again. I don’t think many people genuinely believe it was him who made the ‘error’, but in an effort to either protect the team OR feeling as the DOF it was ultimately his responsibility, he took the bullet. 
     

    12 months on and through an extraordinary coincidence the exact same thing happens again, leaving GB with nowhere to go but resign. 
     

    I’m not one for conspiracies but we know that there is clearly civil war ongoing between the old guard and the new…. 

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  4. 22 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

    Everything been brushed under the carpet today then?

    JDT refusing to walk without a pay off, owners refusing to shell out to pay him off, our DOF mute as usual on the window in general and Mcguire in particular and as with 12 months ago no obvious accountability for anyone for another calamitous failure?

    I keep seeing people alluding to JDT refusing to walk without a payoff. Where has that come from?

    My understanding is that JDT offered to walk for nothing in the summer and that the Raos would allow him to, as long as his contract was paid up by any future employer.  IMO a shitty move considering the complete collapse of the project/vision he was originally sold. 

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  5. 31 minutes ago, rigger said:

    JDT is by no means the main problem, or even a significant problem, but he is part of the problem, by insisting on playing a system not suited to the position we are in.

    I agree. I think he’s probably come to the end of the road. He’s obviously begging to be sacked, results have nosedived and I don’t think he knows how to get this group out of it. The football side probably needs some sort of kick start, a new voice and some new ideas just to get us to 50 points or whatever the safety point is in this league.  The problem is, it costs money to sack and appoint a new manager, money that this lot won’t spend. Our name must also be absolute mud within the football world. You’d be crackers to walk in to this, with the funding issue, the complete Horlicks that is every transfer window, the state of the squad.

    So it’s paralysis. A complete state of impasse whilst we slide closer and closer to L1. 

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  6. 1 minute ago, Torgeir said:

    Strange wording to use ‘blocked’ so Elliott must have some intel that there’s something rotten in the state of Denmark. 
     

    Don’t think they’ll sack him. Too stingy for that, and we won’t find a better coach. 

    This too. LET are notoriously careful with their wording and reporting, never risking the possibility of a club ban. So why would Jackson use such strong terminology here? If he’s mislead or embellished in any way then he’s at risk of at least a slap on the wrist from the club.  
     

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  7. 2 minutes ago, alex l said:

    I'd say Tronstad is the 6, Wharton more an 8 which I'd expect JRC to take when Brittain is back. 

    Ennis sale confirmed by the club. Only positive with that signing was getting a fee for him. 

    Well, there was only one of them that ever took the ball off the defenders and got us moving.  Dress it up any way we like, we’ve seriously weakened the midfield in this window.  The recruits are depressingly uninspiring with 80% of them going back to their clubs in May.  JDT must look at this shitshow and wonder what on earth he signed up for.  It’s just another death by a thousand cuts degradation of the squad that will ultimately leave us in the same mess as the Coyle debacle. 

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  8. 2 minutes ago, Paul Mellelieu said:

    Worth noting JDT's comments that buying players in this window is risky and cleat that V's won't want to spend now - if at all- anyway.  That said we might end up signing McGuire through embarrassment.

    Yet we let two of our first team midfielders leave, and so far have replaced them with a youngster from Brighton, who doesn’t actually play the same position as them. 

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  9. 7 minutes ago, rigger said:

    I have been going to the Rovers since 1969. I respected the faithful few. I don't have to respect anyone, if I don't want to. 

    And here we are, deadline day.... Wharton leaving.... absolute fucking debacle with McGuire.... no other real links or rumours.  And the fans are squabbling amongst each other 🤣  Venky's wet dream.

  10. 18 minutes ago, Eddie said:

    I'm not sure I believe it either, but there is a reason that I can see.

    Orlando is 5 hours behind, so he's landing in the middle of the night local time for them. That means that it would be difficult for us to give them any update between about midnight and noon (when likely our admin are fully signing off for the day and when there's might be starting their day if people are paying extra attention given deadline day here).

    It would actually be honourable to communicate a potential snag before he lands, but it still doesn't make some of the other information line up.  

    It's not honourable, it's downright barmy! Loads of transfers fail due to complications with other deals in a chain.  It's the natural domino effect of the transfer window and it's why players are often haring up and down the UK motorway network (or in Odemwingie's case, sat outside a stadium) with very little time to spare. 

    This notion of being honourable is bollocks, and in the unlikely event of it being true, would be astonishingly idiotic.  PERHAPS Orlando were pressing for some sort of response before the end of the working day, but I can't see why, when McGuire was supposedly sat on an aeroplane already. 

    No, something isn't right about this.  My hunch is the Rao's have pulled the plug on it and Bayes' source is arse covering. 

    Let's see if we spend anything like the value of the McGuire deal....

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  11. 4 minutes ago, Torgeir said:

    We might rue the day McGuire signed after all, we don't know if he's any good yet. And I'm not sure I believe he was our top target in the summer as he had played around half a season of professional football in the MLS at that time.

     

     

    This is such a strange take on the situation, I can’t really understand why you’ve bothered typing it out.

    The fact is, we’d negotiated a deal, presumably fee, wages and all that goes with it and organised travel for McGuire and his representatives, only for our meddlesome owners to seemingly take it upon themselves to veto all transfers in to the club at the 11th hour. Whether McGuire is any good or not is completely irrelevant at this stage. 

    The only reason it would be relevant is if we’ve decided to sign another (seemingly better) option.  At this stage it sounds highly unlikely. 

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  12. 1 minute ago, Hasta said:

    JDT’s position is tenable as his primary job is to coach the team.

    Broughtons is untenable as he simply cannot do the job he has been brought in for if funds have been pulled from under him. For his reputation in the game he either needs to lay the blame elsewhere or quit. (Presuming the stories about no transfers with fees turns out to be correct).

    Disagree. JDT was livid with the O’Brien palaver last Jan, clearly angry about the slashing of funds in summer, and now has this shambles unfolding in front of him.  He can’t work in these conditions, an almost constant erosion and downgrading of the squad, lies, backtracking, embarrassment. If he’s any sense he should pack it in now. 
     

    IF Broughton is also blameless then I totally agree, his position is untenable too. 

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