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10 hours ago, Oldgregg86 said:I don’t understand how losing Ennis ,Wharton and Travis plus our manager and bringing in kids on loan and old age crocks plus relatively inexperienced manager who doesn’t know the players and said in his own words we don’t have much time on the training field due to the amount of games puts us in an UNDOUBTEDLY better position.
I can understand what Jones Rover is saying. Without doubt, 6 weeks ago the squad was in a better place. IMO it was a shameful window, topped off by losing AW and never replacing him.
BUT, we are in a better position than we were a week ago. JDTs job was untenable (as I said the night the McGuire transfer fell through), and we couldn’t have limped on with a head coach who simply had lost his spirit and with it I think his ability to turn around this awful run.
Now perhaps we can have some semblance of a fresh start, in the dressing room and on the pitch at least. I’ve a feeling Eustace will be more pragmatic, take us back to basics and number 1 priority, stop conceding goals. He’s a relative unknown from a head coach point of view, but he knows the league and importantly, he knows what the bottom half of the league looks and feels like. I’m more confident of avoiding relegation than I was 48 hours ago.
The club is a mess, the save/send fiasco stinks of sabotage, the AW money will never be seen again and the Indian court issue looms large in the background. But from purely a football point of view, I think we’ve given ourselves a fighting chance.
JDT leaves with my thanks and a huge amount of respect. A good man and a decent coach sadly fallen victim to this charade of football club.
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Lots of people seemingly happy to swallow the version of events provided by the club. Absolute hogwash from start to finish if you ask me.
As I suggested last Thursday, there was a stench around the initial half baked reason for canning the McGuire deal. The Wharton transfer did go through on Wednesday evening, I seriously doubt there was ever any issue around it, but certain individuals at Rovers saw it as the perfect excuse to cover for the owners who had pulled the rug again.
Best guess, once the owners vetoed the loan fee as well, there was nowhere left to go but play the incompetence card. I simply don’t believe that this deal was ever truly meant to go through. I genuinely believe Broughton and JDT would have wanted it done, not at all convinced any of the money men would have.
As for signing McGuire on a pre-contract…. What a load of absolute bollocks.
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55 minutes ago, rovers11 said:
Surely Gregg has no choice but to resign if the Dunc deal does not go through. You cannot come out in the press a year ago and say you take full responsibility and new measures are in place to ensure that doesn't happen again...and then a year later the same thing happens again. This year is even worse as we actually announced the signing.
Talk of of a pre-contract being done if it doesn't get ratified now. That seems a long way off though with the very real prospect that we may be in league 1 next season.
Has anyone considered that by taking the flak last season, GB effectively made his position untenable SHOULD the same thing ever happen again. I don’t think many people genuinely believe it was him who made the ‘error’, but in an effort to either protect the team OR feeling as the DOF it was ultimately his responsibility, he took the bullet.
12 months on and through an extraordinary coincidence the exact same thing happens again, leaving GB with nowhere to go but resign.
I’m not one for conspiracies but we know that there is clearly civil war ongoing between the old guard and the new….
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22 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:
Everything been brushed under the carpet today then?
JDT refusing to walk without a pay off, owners refusing to shell out to pay him off, our DOF mute as usual on the window in general and Mcguire in particular and as with 12 months ago no obvious accountability for anyone for another calamitous failure?
I keep seeing people alluding to JDT refusing to walk without a payoff. Where has that come from?
My understanding is that JDT offered to walk for nothing in the summer and that the Raos would allow him to, as long as his contract was paid up by any future employer. IMO a shitty move considering the complete collapse of the project/vision he was originally sold.
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31 minutes ago, rigger said:
JDT is by no means the main problem, or even a significant problem, but he is part of the problem, by insisting on playing a system not suited to the position we are in.
I agree. I think he’s probably come to the end of the road. He’s obviously begging to be sacked, results have nosedived and I don’t think he knows how to get this group out of it. The football side probably needs some sort of kick start, a new voice and some new ideas just to get us to 50 points or whatever the safety point is in this league. The problem is, it costs money to sack and appoint a new manager, money that this lot won’t spend. Our name must also be absolute mud within the football world. You’d be crackers to walk in to this, with the funding issue, the complete Horlicks that is every transfer window, the state of the squad.
So it’s paralysis. A complete state of impasse whilst we slide closer and closer to L1.- 3
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4 hours ago, yankfan said:He rightly absolutely slayed them. JDT might be struggling with this group, but absolutely no wonder. 3 completely abysmal transfer windows in a row. If any fans think he’s the problem, they are in fact part of the problem.
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22 minutes ago, Darwen Rover 007 said:
I would go for Steve Cooper
You are insane
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1 minute ago, Torgeir said:
Strange wording to use ‘blocked’ so Elliott must have some intel that there’s something rotten in the state of Denmark.
Don’t think they’ll sack him. Too stingy for that, and we won’t find a better coach.
This too. LET are notoriously careful with their wording and reporting, never risking the possibility of a club ban. So why would Jackson use such strong terminology here? If he’s mislead or embellished in any way then he’s at risk of at least a slap on the wrist from the club.
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Just now, TommyRovers said:
No. The club have decided not to hold a managerial press conference for the QPR game. He will return to media duties after the game.
That in itself is not a non-story. Can anyone remember a scenario like this before? I find it bizarre that you’re calling it a non story when it’s clearly a very rare occurrence and the club gave no reason for it…
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1 minute ago, JBiz said:
Impressive how we managed to convince all those players to play for free and all the loaning clubs to let us borrow for nothing.
🤣 Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
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I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this, but I think this transfer window, and the current mood at the club draws pretty strong parallels to the Lambert era, obviously approaching the Coyle farce.
That season we'd sold Cairney and Gestede, followed by Rhodes in the January window - total sum £20 - £25m. We'd signed the following;
£0.00 spent.
This season, £25m brought in with Kami, Phillips and Wharton gone. A chipping away, obvious decline of the squad with assets being flogged to stop the ship from sinking. The only slight difference this time is that one of our prized assets (BBD) walked away for sweet FA. They're being replaced by short-sighted, no strategy loans and freebie has-beens.
JDT, just like Lambert will be disillusioned, sold a cock and bull story that the club has serious aspirations.
No surprise when he jumps ship this summer and we're left scrabbling around looking for a manager who will take a chance on this complete circus.
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2 minutes ago, alex l said:
I'd say Tronstad is the 6, Wharton more an 8 which I'd expect JRC to take when Brittain is back.
Ennis sale confirmed by the club. Only positive with that signing was getting a fee for him.
Well, there was only one of them that ever took the ball off the defenders and got us moving. Dress it up any way we like, we’ve seriously weakened the midfield in this window. The recruits are depressingly uninspiring with 80% of them going back to their clubs in May. JDT must look at this shitshow and wonder what on earth he signed up for. It’s just another death by a thousand cuts degradation of the squad that will ultimately leave us in the same mess as the Coyle debacle.
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1 minute ago, Paul Mellelieu said:
Yep.
Woeful.
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2 minutes ago, Paul Mellelieu said:
Worth noting JDT's comments that buying players in this window is risky and cleat that V's won't want to spend now - if at all- anyway. That said we might end up signing McGuire through embarrassment.
Yet we let two of our first team midfielders leave, and so far have replaced them with a youngster from Brighton, who doesn’t actually play the same position as them.
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Just now, alex l said:
Ennis to stoke reported by Bayes. That's like an RKO out of nowhere.
Manager is ex-Plymouth
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This is underwhelming garbage. No strategy, no real direction, just desperately filling the squad with bodies. No way are we signing McGuire permanently if the figures are even close to what is reported. Just another loan to tide us over until May, and then the cycle will start again.
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7 minutes ago, rigger said:
I have been going to the Rovers since 1969. I respected the faithful few. I don't have to respect anyone, if I don't want to.
And here we are, deadline day.... Wharton leaving.... absolute fucking debacle with McGuire.... no other real links or rumours. And the fans are squabbling amongst each other 🤣 Venky's wet dream.
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18 minutes ago, Eddie said:
I'm not sure I believe it either, but there is a reason that I can see.
Orlando is 5 hours behind, so he's landing in the middle of the night local time for them. That means that it would be difficult for us to give them any update between about midnight and noon (when likely our admin are fully signing off for the day and when there's might be starting their day if people are paying extra attention given deadline day here).
It would actually be honourable to communicate a potential snag before he lands, but it still doesn't make some of the other information line up.
It's not honourable, it's downright barmy! Loads of transfers fail due to complications with other deals in a chain. It's the natural domino effect of the transfer window and it's why players are often haring up and down the UK motorway network (or in Odemwingie's case, sat outside a stadium) with very little time to spare.
This notion of being honourable is bollocks, and in the unlikely event of it being true, would be astonishingly idiotic. PERHAPS Orlando were pressing for some sort of response before the end of the working day, but I can't see why, when McGuire was supposedly sat on an aeroplane already.
No, something isn't right about this. My hunch is the Rao's have pulled the plug on it and Bayes' source is arse covering.
Let's see if we spend anything like the value of the McGuire deal....
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36 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:Very sceptical about this. Okay, so the Wharton deal may have been stalling, I'm not going to speculate on that for the minute. Who knows why or how that would be the case.
Why on earth would Rovers immediately advise Orlando that the deal won't be happening? Based on timeline of events, it can't have been much earlier than 9pm UK time when we advised them. He's supposedly on a flight here so there's a nice natural buffer there, and clearly the Wharton deal wasn't completely dead. If, today the Wharton deal is dead, we have a perfectly acceptable reason for not progressing the McGuire deal. Instead, we appear to be in a position whereby we've sold Wharton and conveniently, the McGuire deal is gone, to the detriment, embarrassment and ridicule of the club.
Prove me wrong Rovers, but currently this stinks. It looks to me like we can anticipate another 'not our fault', hard luck story in the next few days.
Question: Who is Bayes' source? Was it him who conducted the cosy interview with Waggott in August?
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4 minutes ago, Torgeir said:
We might rue the day McGuire signed after all, we don't know if he's any good yet. And I'm not sure I believe he was our top target in the summer as he had played around half a season of professional football in the MLS at that time.
This is such a strange take on the situation, I can’t really understand why you’ve bothered typing it out.
The fact is, we’d negotiated a deal, presumably fee, wages and all that goes with it and organised travel for McGuire and his representatives, only for our meddlesome owners to seemingly take it upon themselves to veto all transfers in to the club at the 11th hour. Whether McGuire is any good or not is completely irrelevant at this stage.
The only reason it would be relevant is if we’ve decided to sign another (seemingly better) option. At this stage it sounds highly unlikely.
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1 minute ago, Hasta said:
JDT’s position is tenable as his primary job is to coach the team.
Broughtons is untenable as he simply cannot do the job he has been brought in for if funds have been pulled from under him. For his reputation in the game he either needs to lay the blame elsewhere or quit. (Presuming the stories about no transfers with fees turns out to be correct).
Disagree. JDT was livid with the O’Brien palaver last Jan, clearly angry about the slashing of funds in summer, and now has this shambles unfolding in front of him. He can’t work in these conditions, an almost constant erosion and downgrading of the squad, lies, backtracking, embarrassment. If he’s any sense he should pack it in now.
IF Broughton is also blameless then I totally agree, his position is untenable too.
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15 minutes ago, Polky said:VENKYS ARE TO BLAME.
If this is accurate then I can’t really see how JDTs position as manager is tenable.
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That *was* the January Window
in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
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Question. How would an admin girl be aware that the paperwork hadn’t been submitted? I work in Asset finance on various proposal and documentation platforms, all protected by password and accessible for certain individuals. When I hit submit on a proposal, the status changes to submitted on the platform. I can then close the platform and it’s locked again.
We’ve been told that only the secretary has the permissions and ability to submit and presumably see the progression of the documentation.
Why, at precisely 11:04 would an admin person be aware that the proposal had not been submitted? What indication would she have?
It doesn’t make any sense whatsoever, and after last year I just do not believe that this was a case of incompetence. It stinks to high heaven.
EDIT: apologies, I see that Jakey asked a very similar question. But as an integral part of the story, it needs some explanation. It’s all too convenient.