Might just be one of those things again where he gets a chance then does well. Like the early Travis situation where he really can't leave him out even if he'd prefer to. Don't worry about the other two he'll find a way to shoehorn them in.

1995 beating Chelsea on that pitch.....

There'll be a meeting to discuss it, for sure there will. In about June when they set next years budget !

If we are 5 years behind Brentford we are a decade behind Norwich. Even though they've spent about half of it in this league ! This time next season he'll be telling us we are several years behind Barnsley, he's already done it with Preston. Even though we spent one year out of this league compared to their several. Enough, really enough. He needs gagging because the lame arses in the local media certainly won't pull him up on it. No wonder a lot are brainwashed.

I don't really agree with the notion that people are being disagreed with soley on their person, character or motives and not their views. It's a very passionate subject and at present the questions far outweigh the answers. The fact it was all being done on the QT and Waggot was clearly rattled about it leaking adds weight to suspicion. Not sure if you were around in the height of the Kean/Anderson/Kentaro/SEM/Cresendo/Sella/Shagnew and god knows who else involved ? If not then maybe you don't quite know why the majority on here are like they are. Basically the Venky era has foisted on us a question first listen second agenda, with good reason. Things had sobered up a bit in recent years thanks to Mowbrays steady hand. Sadly though every time the surface is scratched this is what will come out. There are plants around particularly on facebook and LT one or two have been flushed out. I guess if you stick around and stick to your guns eventually everyone knows you just have a different viewpoint. Those who only come on just to flog the Mowbray line but disappear in every losing run will remain under fire i'm afraid. Ironically though this recent row has been kicked off by someone who's one of the V's, clubs and mangers biggest critics. Trying to say that a long standing poster, one who both praises and critics as he sees fit and always has done, is indeed a 'plant'. It works both ways nobody is immune.

There's a marked difference between having a minority view and just being contrarian for the sake of it though. One will get tolerated by most but probably heartily and maybe even aggressively disagreed with, the other will get the replies it warrants.

I'm sorry i hate to say it but that is straight out of Keans book of self preservation. Insulting to be honest.

Yep the first thing any plant would do would be to throw grenades and seek to divide.

Only a few games ago it was the pitch to blame for why we couldn't play our football style properly and create chances. Now on the very same pitch we've somehow managed to play our football but not create chances. Players aren't good enough now apparently, if we'd lost that one nil it would've been the pitch again. Another two sides have been and taken 4 points from Ewood in the space of a few days, yet in his eyes we are still doing ok. He's operating in a world of delusion only this club in this era would tolerate.

I just didn't think there was any point to it this season at all because he'd hardly get used. Just a complete waste of a wage, i know his experience might be useful to have around but does he even train every day now at his age ? Seeing as we were still short in areas and so called watching the pennies that money should have gone elsewhere. As should one of the keeper wages, we needed good back up for years and didn't get it. Then they bring in 3 at once !!!

Iv'e trumpeted on all season as well you probably know about this so called style of football not suiting this squad. Or certainly not suiting it to get the maximum from it regardless of a few missing. Of course the early season trouncings get pointed to and thank god for those otherwise we'd be in a horrific mess. However i believe we were playing different them far more front foot higher tempo stuff. Ok a few injuries namely Travis might have disrupted that but a revert to type was inevitable anyway. He did it last season after we started well after lockdown then when we'd all to play for he reeled them in again. A fact highlighted by the reluctantly critical LT reporter. I just don't understand the mindset and it's never been something i can buy into. It really is just applied to plod on and see what happens. I wouldn't mind as much if he stood up a while back and said it's not good enough we are falling well short of our targets but we'll keep trying. He doesn't though he just reels off excuse after excuse - some valid - before games even. That's not leadership he just isn't a leader he acts like an advisor rather than a driving force. I'm 100% convinced that someone with a bit more bullishness and who likes a more balanced regular starting 11 would be doing far better with what is still at his disposal. Ok might not be in the play offs but this is like frigging toothache with him now, it never gets real bad but it won't go away until it's pulled out. It'll only rot away and feel worse.

So between the lines he's absolving himself yet again, implying he's coached the team to play good football but they aren't good enough to turn it into wins. Well maybe it isn't the right brand for these players then, no ? The guy is a complete fraud he's given himself yet more get out of jail cards with this statistical possession football. All it needs it craft and skill to turn it into winning football apparently, but we haven't go any. He bleated years ago defenders were coming but they didn't. He then said we need to be looking to replace DG and Dack if he left. The owners backed him, he brought in Brereton & Gallagher. Next excuse was team is too young it's lacking experience and leadership. Owners backed him and allowed wages for - Downing, Johnson, Holtby and now Trybull and Douglas. A defender came in the shape of already unfit 3 year contract Ayala, he played shite then disappeared. Now it seems he thinks all we need is craft despite having the likes of Elliot, Dolan, Brereton, Holtby, Armstrong in his ranks. No Tony your team was sussed after the first few months this season it's as simple as that. And your bull was sussed by fans a long time before that. You are the most fortunate manager in this division working under this ownership. Covid might have made your job that bit harder, it has for everyone but it's made your matchday experience a lot more comfortable !

That's what it is great, great description. EXCUSE CULTURE/MENTALITY All comes from the main man he gets them in every week before a ball is kicked.

I notice quite a few now saying retaining Downing for another season was pointless. Pity it wasn't a belief held as widely in summer ! Quite simply another old pals act there. Ok son you've no club nobodies come in after we've waited around so here's ten grand a week take it or leave it. Utterly utterly pointless he was never going to contribute the same this season the signs were there last. So so Mowbray though. Now why wasn't that wage put elsewhere ?

We had momentum but it was lost the min Waggot and ToMo applied the brakes and their methods after promotion. That should've been the catalyst to get the club really going again. Instead all they had was a 'job done' attitude. It was discussed on here at the time the surprise they weren't going a bit more ambitious. Somehow 7 million quid went into Brereton and they dished out contract extensions left right and center. To players who'd managed one good season in a league below most of their levels. Looking back now it was quite simply all about settling in and protecting everyone's position. You even had Mowbray telling everyone he'd had to lower the owners expectations. WTF it was basically an admission of not being capable of anything else.

I genuinely think he's either taking the piss now big time with the tombola nonsense. Or he knows his card is marked and is doing right by his cherubs. It's bollocks whatever it is.

Why are players so weak and fragile these days, it's not just him it's the majority.

It's because of the drones we win the possession stats every game. At least that'll be the line to Pune.

I think certain players tell Mowbray when they are and aren't playing !

Except quite a few on here know him but even if you're judging him on his posts i can't see where plant comes into it. He's often been known to take some middle ground down the years but he's also a critic when needed. There's quite a few others who'd get the finger justifiably pointed at them before him.

One thing you had to respect about Keegan is he was an all or nothing kind of guy. Driven by his emotions too much but if it was crap he'd say it was crap and when he knew the game was up he held his hand up and walked. Football badly misses characters like him and their do or die style football. We had some great set too's with Newcastle in his time there. They were always like cup semi finals no matter what league position. Remember him going to to confront hundreds of angry Geordies on the steps at St James park when he was going to sell Cole ? Imagine someone having those kind of balls now, our fella hides at the back of the dugout in games when it ain't going well.

Aye and he's been around a lot longer than his accuser !

Surprise surprise he's blowing up the opposition again.

Nice one. Posted some of this a while ago and after reading it the picture was clearer about the price rises, cutbacks and ground capacity reduction. Squeeze what you have is his mantra, only it doesn't seem to apply to the football side of it where millions have still and are still being wasted.

Very much doubt he's one of 'the plants' to be honest.