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  1. Just now, Paul Mani said:

    Lads this really isn’t difficult. The manager has said he wants to get in the top six this season. The players are saying the same (see Downings interview). Top 6 wasn’t our target last season. The season before they put their neck on the block saying they HAD to go up and they did....

    Get off their backs and let them get this window over and the season started. If they are nowhere near the top 6 come Christmas then there won’t be a single Rovers fan happy because top 6 is the the absolute stated aim and we are all Rovers fans first and foremost. 

    It's a message board. Calm down. I doubt anyone at the club is getting upset we are 'on their backs'. 

    Try adding to the debate instead of trying to shut it down. It isn't difficult 'lad'. 

     

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  2. Just now, HowieFive0 said:

    Manager Talk. All managers come out and state targets. ..and all should be taken with a pinch of salt .

    15-16 clubs will all be spouting the same ambitions for 8 places . If Mowbray came out and stated mid table fans would be up in arms about lack of ambition ..season ticket sales would falter (even more !) and yet when he states top 8 fans will slate him for not reaching that target . "But Mowbray said top eight …??" 

    Damned if he does damned if he doesn't  but no different from other managers up n down the country. Take it with a pinch of salt and as fans work out yourself just where we SHOULD be hitting this season.

    Have you got the quotes from other managers? If all managers do it then it shouldn't be difficult to find the evidence. 

    Mowbray should just say nothing, like a lot of managers do. 

    Of course people should make their own minds up but fans are obviously influenced by the manager. It would be silly to say otherwise. If the manager says Top 2 that raises expectation. Clever managers don't tend to bother. Good managers don't need to. 

     

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  3. 7 hours ago, S8 & Blue said:

    We get a manager who rebuilds a relegated team on a current transfer fee budget of circa £3m per window (excluding wage variations, which I think may account for a lot of that) and he has us looking up. He has us forgetting the owners and those problems. For the first time in years,

    ”Mowbray is bad in the transfer market” whilst he has signed our two best players in Dack and Rothwell for nowt. Got us thinking about the playoffs again. Working with nothing but very near to status quo investment.

     

    I’ve seen people genuinely say “Tony - play offs are the MINIMUM EXPECTATION”

    Christ alive what do you think has changed and do you love being disappointed???

     

    Tony isn’t a problem here, if anything he’s a victim of his own success that people think he is.

    I think this is short of a lot of context. 

    Rebuilds a relegated team? - He was allowed to keep all the players he wanted and to add whoever he wanted. He had the biggest wage budget in League 1 and the biggest transfer budget. We posted the biggest (or 2nd biggest) loss ever for a league 1 club for those very reasons. To not get that team up would have been a humungous failure. I think he did well in the end but all the cards were stacked massively in his favour. Mowbray had a Championship team playing in League 1. 

    Last summer he spent more than Sheff Utd. They are now in the Prem. 

    Mowbray is very, very average in the transfer market. His record shows that. Apart from Dack (an unqualified success) who else has consistently improved the team? Rothwell has hardly played, AA is not a winger and Chapman will be lucky to get off the bench. Those are the four you and others highlight as reasons why he's recruited well. There's another 10-15 players who have either been paid off cos they were shit, or will never be good enough to hold down a first team place. Davenport will be the exception based on the little I've seen. He'll be a shoo-in once his fitness issues are sorted, he looks a quality player. 

    As for the people mentioning the play-offs, that nonsense came from Mowbray. He's very adept at saying the right things to get fans onboard. If the manager says 'top 6 or top 2' is the target then fans will want to believe that. You blaming the fans for believing what the manager states is the clubs ambition is bizarre. 

    He's a long way from being a victim of his own success. If he doesn't get his recruitment right this summer we will struggle next season. The margins were very fine last season at home - a lot of those games we won by a single goal. Away from home we got regularly trounced. Millwall, newly promoted, just missed out on the play-offs when they first got promoted to the Championship. The season after they just avoided relegation. Preston did worse in their 2nd season up. Sheff Utd were the exception but then they have a top class manager. 

    We are middle of the road by the clubs own admission as far as finance goes. As John Williams used to say your budget normally dictates where you'll finish in the league. We finished just below mid-table, which is probably about right. 

    Mowbray isn't a good enough manager to punch above the financial weight of the club he's in charge of. So I agree, talk of the play-offs is fanciful with Mowbray in charge. If the owners are happy to bumble along in lower-mid table then Mowbray might be the right man for the  job. If he's there to create vast profits from buying low then selling high they might as well get Bowyer back. 

    Next season, all things being equal, we'll finish mid-table if we're lucky. With the same players and budget someone like Warnock would have us in the play-offs. That's the difference. Mowbray is bang average at his job.

    Unfortunately Venky's will never employ a manger capable of achieving what they crave - promotion to the Prem.

     

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  4. Just now, arbitro said:

    Excuse my ignorance but what is 'recycle possession'?

    Normally relates to a CM who gets it and gives it. I think it just means quickly laying the ball off to a better or more creative player and/or changing direction of attack. 

    Xavi would be a classic recycler. 

    It basically means being a footballer. Mowbray probably uses the term. Chris Wilder most definitely wouldn't. 

  5. 4 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

     

    I like Mowbray, but I don't half find his recruitment policy and general team selections baffling.

    That's exactly why I don't like him, that and the soulless safety first football at home and the embarrassingly bad defence away. 

    Apart from that though...

    Home to Charlton - Bennett and Downing on the flanks and a long hoof to Graham for 90 minutes. 

  6. https://www.rovers.co.uk/news/2019/june/an-exciting-signing-for-us/

    "He brings great experience, he's brave on the ball, he picks lovely passes, he can travel with the ball, he's got good mobility still, so I think he's an exciting signing for us.Whilst he's not in his mid-20s and in the middle of his England career, he's a great lad with great qualities that he will bring to the football club.I've always put a lot of stock in personality and character and values, and Stewart is very rich in all those areas as well"

    Good human to join a team full of lovely lads... you can take them home to your mother. Apart from Bradley, obviously...

    But 'exciting'...FFS Tony!!

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  7. Just now, capybara said:

    Blackburn Roverseas mentioned a rumour about a clause in his contract last year that kept Boro from starting him in more games, because that would have cost them a lot more.

    I'm sure that could be true, the stats were more about how little contribution he made in the goals/assists columns. Conway played half the minutes that Downing did and contributed the same goals/assists. 

  8. 5 hours ago, S8 & Blue said:

    Paul Downing now a Pompey player.

    Good luck to him.

    I think he was criminally underrated by many (including TM!). He was a great contributor to our promotion campaign and I wouldn’t bet against him being a Championship player again in 12 months time.

    How do you know he was criminally underrated by Mowbray? 

  9. 16 minutes ago, S8 & Blue said:

    Has it? If you have any info please share with the rest of us?

    Do agree with most other points though, just tired of the post-truth world we seem to be creating on here.

     

    Have a lie down if you're tired. Bauer has been a main target for a year. We had 2 bids rejected. Sharpe has been bigging the signing up all summer. We didn't get him. Is that post-truth enough for you?

    It's a forum not Mowbray's office. If you want exact details of where Bauer was on his list of targets then go and ask Mowbray. People are just forming opinions based on what they know. 

    Is that OK with you? 

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