How many tickets have we sold?

We did lose a lot of players in summer, but is it as bad as people make out? Kaminski - preferred Pears Diaz - fair enough, big miss for us Dack - didn't really fancy him Morton - a godsend as it meant we picked Wharton Ayala - permanently injured The complete lack of striker has been a real pain point, but the regression has been absolutely alarming. And whilst JDT hasn't been backed, didn't we spend nigh on £4m for Szmodics and Hyam combined? Absolutely great buys for the money but a decent fighting fund compared to anything since 2019 (which is a comment in itself). So whilst he didn't get to blow £6m on Gally, it was actually the most we had spent in a summer for 3 years. It possibly underlines how good a job he did last year after losing Nyambe, Rothwell and Lenihan as well, but I think some of the talk about losing players has ignored the fact it's been par for the course with these idiot owners for years now. I am Mowbray's fiercest critic but he didn't have it that easy himself either - he was just less good at communicating it and keeping fans updated.

Weirdly enough, the 'lion's den' of Millwall (and against cup minnows) was the exception!

100% this. I don't dislike him, but ever since that cup quarter final at Sheffield United we've been well and truly found out. For all the pretty football, we were one dimensional and even inexperienced managers were out-manouvering him (some with worse squads - see Huddersfield, Sheff Wed and then QPR). I think his brave and appreciated calling out of the hierarchy has pulled the wool over some people's eyes over how bad this season truly has been - and yes, we lost 4 players (3 of which were either perennially injured or not in the manager's plans). Edit - that being said, last year was good overall league position wise and we played some fantastic stuff. The way we threw it all away still hurts, and I'm still not over the Turf Moor surrender. He will probably do well somewhere but his heart hasn't been in it for some time imo.

I respect him calling out the idiots upstairs, but results and performances have been truly dire. He's been dealt a crap hand, but it hasn't been working for a long time. Played some of the best football in years in his tenure. Also played some of the worst, particularly away from home last season. Credit goes for last year's 7th placed finish, our cup runs and some inspired football. As well as calling out those tossers at the club. Negatives have to be recent results, the debacle at Turf Moor, some horror shows vs Preston and the inability to ever crack winning points from losing positions. He's been undermined at every turn, but there's not much defending our form this season and the refusal to adapt to repetitive patterns and adopt some sort of plan B. He may well go on to do well somewhere - he has potential to excel but not sure he's the man when the going gets tough. Seems an alright bloke, mind. Some of his interviews have come across as incredibly smug/arrogant, but he also speaks well on behalf of the fans.

Hope he doesn't sign the NDA

All those staying it has been twice in 2 January windows are also forgetting we did the same to Brierley. Even more pathetically, it meant he couldn't play for his club - relegation stricken Rochdale. We then, despite promises of a pre-contract, pulled out of that deal too. Bad faith. No chance we sign McGuire if this paltry 'appeal' doesn't succeed.

I have just seen someone praise Rovers for offering clarity and not shying away from the McGuire situation. The mind genuinely boggles. This is a fella we announced officially 5 days ago with not a word mentioned in the meantime.

JDT is proving to be an awful, awful manager for us this season. The owners might be worse, but the results aren't even approaching good enough and even this squad is better than results would suggest. Hope he walks and shines a light on the owners, but if he doesn't he should be receiving his p45 asap.

JDT, Waggott and Venkys out

Is he even aware that Mcguire is currently sat in a Sheffield hotel reception?

It's alright though, the money earmarked for McGuire will be spent in summer.... (tongue firmly in cheek)

Why would a potential snag (which has proven not to be material) in the Wharton deal lead to us panicking and cancelling MID-FLIGHT? Meaning it is now totally unsalvagable? It's like worrying your bus might be late so cancelling the event you were planning to attend, only for the bus to turn up and find you have nowhere to go. A lazy metaphor but it's just gross incompetence. There surely has to be more at play than that?

If it all goes as it appears it's heading, there can be no illusions or people convincing themselves otherwise - it has to be full steam ahead in getting these parasites out of our club. The usual dirge about 'they keep us afloat' and 'respect them' will all be moot points as they further ruin our reputation, operate in complete bad faith and continue to worsen our playing squad.

Palace also play youth, vastly increasing the chance of a future sell on clause when Chelsea or someone of that ilk spend the big bucks on him. If we sold to a bigger club now, he would probably end up out on loan - Palace is a decent springboard for a big move in 2 years. Realistically, are Chelsea going to come in and spend £10m more than Palace? Doesn't appear likely. It doesn't appear as if any other club put in a formal offer, either. If they go down though it may end up as an own goal for all involved.

The real problem is upstairs, but I'm growing more and more convinced we would benefit from JDT walking, at least in the short term. The players don't seem to be playing for him, the heads are down, the atmosphere poor. I'm glad he tried to change shape today which at least indicated some sort of care and wish to address the issues, but the same issues persist. We are wide open and it was another very poor result. He will do well somewhere, but overall I'm pretty disenchanted with him. A good league finish last year, but there have been many issues. Late throwaways, the surrender at Turf Moor, inability to react to going behind and this season's absolute kamikaze football. He's been dealt an absolutely crap hand but we look completely bereft of ideas and confidence. This defence was much better last year but we have completely departed from it this year.

We have the club many of our fans deserve. The Stockholm syndrome on show from many is absolutely startling. Posts today on social media range from 'we should be to grateful' to 'they deserve respect'. 'More interested in what happens on the pitch' was another corker. As if the owners have no bearing. It's why 2011-2012 was so unbearable - so many people either don't see or won't see the issues at hand. I genuinely don't know if I'd have the energy again to join protests or actively campaign against the board, as the reactions and attitudes last time were so demoralising. I remember travelling from Cardiff for protests, yet most fans were happy to sit on their hands, bar the occasional outburst (Bolton and Wigan at home spring to mind). I remember Glen (and others) were often threatened and criticised.

As an avid FM player I know our offer doesn't wash! Thank you for confirming

I can't find anything, but what's the deal with the lad from Crewe? I gave up for a week or so but I've heard a couple say we suddenly can't afford him. Can someone give me a brief update? Apologies to sidetrack the thread.

People pointing to individual errors, but to me it's a total lack of organisation. Remember when we had loads of individual errors under Ince? Yes - Big Sam came in and addressed a lot of it overnight. The errors reduced considerably and we were suddenly well organised. It starts with the manager and on the training ground. That being said, doesn't help when you have an absolute turnip in goal.

Whilst Tony had his loyalists, I thought from coming on here, Twitter and at games (largely away) in 21-22 the vast majority of fans believed it was time to go for him, especially as the rot set in. Perhaps it wasn't always the case before. Maybe I was in an echo chamber as I was desperate for him to go. Of course Venkys are the issue, and people have a huge blind spot. Even those who don't will react and respond to events on the pitch and that will receive their ire, probably due to the real problem being thousands of miles away. We couldn't get to them when we had PL exposure, halving the crowds didn't help. I'm genuinely at a loss how we get them to go. Focusing on Swag for me is a good start.

Some of the most vocal support is from Szmodics, who has been imperious this season and gives his all for the badge.

Some great questions. I know interviews are largely irrelevant but his smarmy, sarcastic replies don't paint him in a great light, especially when the answers were often long, tedious dirges that were barely relevant to the question. Not good when the manager is asked 'did you feel there was no point you being here?'

No post has summed it up better. The players seem to think they are gods gift - constant gushing interviews about happy they are and how we are on the rise. I don't have a clue what they are seeing. JDT has clearly given up. We can blame recruitment and obviously it's been crap, but the manager has been an absolute disgrace recently. Sat on his arse all game today. He's clearly given up and should do the right thing and leave. He's torpedoing his own reputation . Yet half our fans seem to think he's the best thing since sliced bread and is entitled to down tools. Nobody said the same about Mowbray last year (and yes he got a few quid more if you ignore the money we blew on Leo, as well as decent fees by their standards for Hyam and Szmodics). I've had enough of the manager, the owners, the players. The club is absolutely rotten from top to bottom. We will go nowhere until Venkys fuck off.

I'm in no way backing the owners or Waggott, they are the problem. But the squad isn't that much weaker than last year. Injuries have been bad, mind. But I don't think it justifies our entire fall off a cliff and 2nd worst defence in the league. He will be as disappointed as anyone, surely. We are suddenly the most predictable team in the league and every team knows how to set up against us. I think it's certainly worth comment and criticism, even if the main problem are thousands of miles away.