2 hours ago, DE. said:

I'm weird in that I generally like to see proof of something before I believe what a random stranger on a forum says. Odd behaviour, I know! But you obviously know Bad Boy well to be able to vouch for him, so fair enough. I do find it odd that Brereton coming off the pitch in tears from the abuse of Rovers fans was never reported, never spoken about by the club and never mentioned beyond Twitter, but hey, somebody on a forum says it happened so it must be true. 

What proof do you need, a video, written affidavit. It would be interesting to know the burden of proof you accept for your points of view, as I don’t believe one word you write.

2 hours ago, DE. said:

Because there's no proof anywhere that it's true. People lie for all sorts of reasons, especially if it helps an argument they're making. 

Brereton coming off to muttered frustration in the crowd and looking irritated afterwards became Brereton being hounded off the pitch by bloodthirsty Rovers fans and reduced to tears on the bench. Don't you think if the latter were true it would have been reported somewhere, or Mowbray would have been asked about it after the match? It's a bullshit rumour made up on twitter by the usual supporters who for whatever reason love causing conflict within the fanbase. 

You only accept a post when it suits you point of view. Everyone else is exaggerating/lying. Accept what people have seen, heard rather than dismiss their views.

6 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Ah so Arsenal allegedly wanting to sign him, even though they didn't sign him shows he is a good keeper in your view, but when I said the fact Bazunu was with Man city and Kelleher the number 2 at Liverpool  indicated they have something about them, you scoffed at the idea. Tying yourself in knots. 

He's not at Arsenal, he is at Brentford, who are doing well. However he is miles away from making the Spain team, which you claimed he would in the next 18 months. 

How many first team games have your boys played. You were saying they are better than a first team goalkeeper playing in the premier team that’s 7th in the league. Oh by the way transfer talk today has Raya linked with both Arsenal and Everton. I’m certainly not tied in knots.

50 minutes ago, rigger said:

He has scored 10 goals in the championship, and he has played in the eighth strongest South American side. I don't class that as made it.

I don’t believe you, are you just a windup merchant? Did you rate Armstrong? He was slow to start and look at his return. He’s got 10 goals and the seasons not at the half way stage. As for Chile they may not be a strong as seasons past, but all South American teams are some of the strongest on the planet.

1 hour ago, 47er said:

Can you read? I said he"d never make it but I didn't hate him or boo him. I wanted him to succeed!

Those tribunals always rule on the low side by the way, never the open market fee.

Need need to shout, not very nice.

1 hour ago, rigger said:

I still don't rate him, and I don't think he has ,Made it.

WTF He’s the top scorer in the division, he’s an international who’s scoring for a South American country. What does he after do, score 30 in the Premiership to have arrived!!!

39 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

You said something about Arsenal maybe being interested and then signing Ramsdale as an indicator of how good Raya is, I said it doesn't. Now you have gone onto say something different 

Brentford have a good team and manager, he isnt solely responsible for any of their achievements. In fact in the play offs the first time around , he was to blame for the goal they conceded, a free from over 40 yards out.  

Sorry bigdog, I’ve not said something different. I’ve just expanded on the reasons he was a very good goalkeeper, and he’s getting better with each passing season. I can’t be bothered to go back over the previous postings. Are you disagreeing that he’s that good that Arsenal would have wanted to buy him?

6 minutes ago, 47er said:

Rubbish! Not a single poster on here hated him. On the contrary everyone desperately wanted him to succeed but despaired that he ever would.Now he has we probably won't see much more of him!

  We haven't got an administration worthy of the name so ironically he could see his contract out and leave for nothing. Since this was allegedly Balaji's own money and investment I suspect he'll be flying over with a crowbar in his pocket should this occur!

But let's not reinvent history. This was not a good signing. If we had spent £4 million say, on a decent striker to play upfront with Armstrong and spent £8M on the defence, don't you think we might have gone up?

I'm willing to admit I never thought he would make anything of himself and after 3 bloody years he has. I wonder if his mother had been English would things have turned out this way? But it doesn't changed the fundamental point that ,at the time he wasn't what we wanted. Neither was Gallagher.

What are you on about. There are a considerable amount of ‘supporters’ who didn’t rate him, saying he would never make it. You lot know who you are. 
Your second point is again incorrect. If Ben doesn’t sign then he’s NOT on a free. It will go to the tribunal to determine his worth, and as his age, recent goal scoring, and full international he won’t be cheap. I would expect AT LEAST the same as Armstrong’s fee, if not more.

16 hours ago, JacknOry said:

I kinda of think thats the point though, Roverandout did not say Jim had said Britain was a country. He just said Britain is not a country.

I still don’t see the point of the post. We all know that, so why state it.

31 minutes ago, rigger said:

He was, I think, pointing out that the original statement that, Britain is a country, is factually wrong. Britain is made up of 3 countries, England Wales and Scotland. It is the same as saying Europe is a country. I think everyone would have known what was meant by the original statement.

Sorry rigger for being pedantic, Jim was making a direct quote from an Italian journalist. He was not making the statement. Therefore to point out and imply Jim was incorrect was being frivolous.

34 minutes ago, rigger said:

If we are being picky. Roverandout, never said, that Jim said, Britain isn't a country.

I still don’t understand what point Roverandout was making. Do you?

11 hours ago, roverandout said:

Britain isn't a country 

Are you being frivolous? Jim never mentioned country. Read his post again pal.

3 hours ago, rigger said:

I would say he is already, as good as any of our forward options. I would expect him to be on the bench against Coventry. Personally I would start him, as his main asset is his non stop hard work. I don't think he will make such an impression as an impact sub. 

I disagree rigger, I think Burns would do the business whether he started or came on as a super sub. The lad never stops, and at last nights game he showed he has a nasty streak when after their goalkeeper took him down at the next chance he took the lad out ala Speedie. Plus he gave as good as he got from their two centrehalfs.

49 minutes ago, JHRover said:

One thing I don't really get is why the Saudis have done this as part of a consortium.

I get that Staveley might be the broker who sorted the deal out and brought the Saudis to the table but don't really get the involvement of the Reubens. They are each billionaires in their own right who could have bought the club alone if they had wanted to. So why would either of them want to do it in tandem with others?

For the Saudis they certainly don't need anything off the Reubens. The Reubens will be playing second fiddle to the Saudis with their minor shareholding.  Just seems a strange way to do it for people with a bottomless pit of cash who can do whatever they want.

I suspect she’s the face that was needed for the fit and proper tests. They’ll claim she’s in charge and their just investors. The PL and EFL fit and proper tests are a sham. 

35 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

No, it doesn't 

Are you excluding him getting promoted, and Brentford being 7th. I suppose those achievements count for nothing also. Please tell me what will make him a good keeper.

2 hours ago, geedog13 said:

I must admit after watching the u23s I have found myself asking the Sam burns question alot, even more so after Armstrong left what does he need to do to get a go at the next stage up? 

Me also, really looking forward to tonight’s game. He reminds me of Simon Garner. Hope he doesn’t take up smoking and drinking pints. Used to live near him in Fenny, lovely fella. 

1 hour ago, JacknOry said:

You didn't rate Raya either, did you?

Like a lot of others on this site. They’ll never own up, and they’ll keep banging on about his poor kicking, mistakes etc, etc, etc. The boy has improved, Arsenal wanted him and had to buy Ramsdale at £23m. That shows how good he is. He’ll make the Spanish squad. They’ll still say he’s rubbish.

10 hours ago, Sparks Rover said:

Ahhh posts deleted eh?  Are we not allowed to state the truth.?  Sky even have a picture of the guy looking iffy on their backdrop.  Unbelievable really 

The problem Sparks you can’t reason with these guys. They are the ahhh better stop as I can see yet another ban loaning.

10 minutes ago, Theaxe15 said:

Dack still managed to score 3 when he was still regaining fitness after doing his cruciate the first time. That's almost half as many as Rothwell has scored in his entire time here. Who's the better player isn't even a debate

They play different positions in the team so comparisons are meaningless. You couldn’t compare Sir Bobby and Jack Charlton. Both were World Cup winners.

1 hour ago, Sparks Rover said:

Let's see how he goes at Rangers.  At Huddersfield he waltzed through them despite playing as a holding midfielder., he's done it before and can do it more with the right manager putting him in a settled team with quality around him.  

Dack is a.good player too, I'd rather have Rothwell and his direct running at defences, he'd have no defensive responsibility for me and a free role behind Diaz.

It seems bigdog doesn’t rate Rothwell. I think there’s a couple of points. Mowbray chops and changes not only his position but also how the team is up meaning there’s a disconnect between the players. Second moving to a higher league he would be playing with players who have a better spatial awareness, and a higher proportion of his chances will be converted.

41 minutes ago, gumboots said:

Isn't the night time puc about lower pricing for evening games?

Gumboots If you mean when should it be made public, any time is the right time. At last he’s listened to the supporters. With social media being what most people use there’s no right time anymore.

1 hour ago, J*B said:

What does this mean @JohnGo? I’m the only admin on of the forum… and I agree with what you said. So it makes for a very odd argument. 

Admin, moderates, all the same to me pal

17 minutes ago, JacknOry said:

The people belittling how important Rothwell is, were probably those doing that with Raya. Problem is the manager, coaches and everyone else. 

Agreed Jack, I’ve banged on and been banned for saying that Raya was not treated properly and he’s better than we have. Shit goalkeeping coach shown by how he’s doing at Brentford. There’s posters on here including the so called admin who still will not admit it. Probably be banned again!

9 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

I'm not mate.  Our most talented player and I took some stick for it off bigdog chap.  My opinion is he's more gifted than Dack.

And I didn't rate Raya when he was here.  Shocking

Shit. Coaching no backing from wanker Mowbray. You can tell how he was told to kick as Kaminski was good at distribution when he first came. Now he’s no better than Raya. I do hope and I’m certain in my prediction that Raya will make the Spain squad.

4 hours ago, rigger said:

As you say Eastham, is the best I have seen. His major problem, and one that is the hardest to get round, is his size. He does not command his box. A great majority of goals he has conceded this season have been due to this lack of height. I actually prefer to see him playing for the U23s than sat on the first team bench.

I’d prefer for him to be loaned to a team that will play him. It’s not doing Hilton any good sitting on the bench. The bits I’ve seen of Hilton he looks a goodun. The others don’t fill me with confidence.

3 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

The squad does not have the quality to be in the top 6. Last season prior to selling Armstrong and being so hamstrung in the market, he should have been far, far closer. There will not be just one reason or specific failing as to why that didnt happen, and indeed suggesting it is all solely down to Mowbray "being tactically awful" is a massively presumptious oversimplification.

I dont think anyone is comparing Mowbray to any of those. Point being that there is minimal correlation between animation on the touchline and quality of manager. Scott Parker, top of the league, very placid on the touchline. Mark Robins, doing brilliantly, not the most animated. Daniel Farke, 2 recent league titles, again not a shouter. You get the picture.

You seem to have missed my second sentence. Busby and Mercer where quiet but got the best from their players. Tony Book was playing non league football when Mercer took him to Man City and made him captain. He played until his late 30’s. You say you can’t make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Joe certainly did. You may be too young to remember the 60’s. It was a great time to be watching football.

21 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I am unsure how you have concluded from my post that I am constantly making excuses from him when you agree with the point I am making, that the only reason that people even notice his touchline demeanour is because of results, especially in the second half of last season.

In regards to the other stuff, Mowbray is not the one who sets the budgets, so that is nonsensical. What he is to blame for somewhat is the state of the squad going into the summer, that I would strongly agree with. The budget this summer was not a competitive one, unable to even sign experienced loanees despite selling one of his own signings for a profit, mind you, he shouldn't have been manager going into the summer.

But me constantly making excuses for him doesn't fit in with the fact that I have consistently said for months that I want him to be sacked and that he would have been if the owners had any interest in us. His touchline demeanour is an example of a stick used to beat him unnecessarily, the results and 15th place finish last season is a strong enough argument.

He may not set the budget, but he bloody well spends it, and given the wasted money on extending players contracts Gladwin etc. He would have been more than able to refresh his squad. Mowbray OUT, OUT, OUT.

1 hour ago, rigger said:

The problem is, from what I have seen all our younger keepers, they are poor. They all have major problems in their game. It seems to be more a case of trying to decide which problem is the easiest to live with. 

Eastham is by far the best goalkeeper, great shot stopper, for a ‘smaller’ goalkeeper is comfortable with crosses, great kicker. He should be on the bench instead of Pears. He should go out on loan in January, and replace Pears next season. Trouble is Pears dad being mates with Mowbray, he’ll probably get an extended improved contract. Mowbray OUT, OUT, OUT.