Because TM tends to see everyone he brings in as back up to what he already selects it doesn't matter if they could boss one position. They have to fill in wherever whenever and know their place.

Great to keep certain senior players onside, great for team spirit. Not great to try and build a top 6 side i think only Tosin has proved an exception to that rule. In truth that only came about because of injuries and a loan of those above in the pecking order.

Infuriating at times.

List C lads remember.

Don't concern yourselves with anything else.

I thought the whole idea originally was to hold back time a bit or try to reverse it.  Now it appears it's just about young women altering the way they look just to be different.

Crazy to start that shit in their 20's this kind of stuff should carry mental health warnings. Storing up issues for later life.

3 hours ago, Ewood Ace said:

Academy players get a lot more leeway from fans on here that's for certain. If Williams had put in performances in like Carter did he would have been slaughtered. If Johnson had given the ball away like Travis did for one of Leeds and Reading's goals he'd have been hammered. If Bell had defended like JRC did at times he'd have taken plenty of flack.  As it was none of them got much stick at all on here.

The difference in expectations by fans of senior experienced pros and lads learning their trade on the job. Really there is nothing unusual or out of order about it.

3 hours ago, RoverCanada said:

Any chance we still have a sell-on attached to Duffy? Sounds like Brighton will be looking to sell him.

I'd assume King will be leaving Bournemouth and I think it was confirmed we have a sell-on clause for him.

Add in further payment from Brentford for Raya if they get promoted (I think I saw the LT mention that recently), and that could be a decent amount incoming for previously sold players...

While I'm at it on sell-ons, going by the terms of the tribunal decision, just noticed we would've gotten 20% of the profit on Mahoney's transfers to Millwall last summer, so £135,000 (if the reported £1.1m fee is to be believed). Hurray!

Would all be handy to cover the financial hole of this season but it's still going some to expect a good budget next season imo.

You're a finance whizz, how do you think they are covering it ?

When you rise through the ranks it affords you a bit of breathing space and quite rightly. It won't last forever but i think if you read around on here most see Lenihen for what he is.  He has limitations and stuff to improve on but overall he's average to good, potential to be solid but unspectacular.

Reading of the game is a weak point of Nyambe and in particular Bell but surely it comes with age and games.

Just now, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

He hasn't done as well as Dyche and no fecker wants to live in Burnley! 

Back to substance over style they set out to merely survive ever season and anything else is a bonus. I'd argue recruiting the more agricultural types is a bit easier.  Still got to know what you're doing and what you're looking for obviously.

Not easy though when you're Bournemouth how do you attract the kind of players good enough to improve your Prem standing ?

Either got to offer money way above your station or just hope they all want to live in a nice area.  He probably should have altered their style a bit don't think he has that in his locker.

Lenihen is growing into a steady solid basic second tier defender who can serve us in the position for a number of years if they don't sell him. What we need is to marry him up with similar and get a decent keeper behind them to give us that reliable base season in season out.

Seems they'd prefer to loan in ball playing center backs though who can launch a pass over a static deep sitting midfield. At this level that usually comes at the cost of that player not being as good defensively as he might be with the ball. That's the gamble, give me no frills defenders who can do the basics well over that any day of the week.

Concentrate on getting in those who can create further up the park this is the championship remember.

It's an empty debate really as we all know even when things are normal they struggle to get them out in good time. The priority at Ewood in this era is, has and always will be to kowtow to the owners first and foremost regardless of the impact it has on fans or team.

1 hour ago, Tom said:

A club with ambition throws blank cheque at Eddie Howe tonight 

Would need to be a blank one as well for anyone to get him up north.

Just now, Waggy76 said:

Danns value decreased surely .....

I don't think either player wanted to play for us , though ...

Think they just about covered what they'd paid for him in the end.

About 3.5 million not the 7 million that gets banded about.

30 minutes ago, pick32 said:

Dann was a shithouse and Duffy couldn’t head a ball in the intended direction, never seen a player so bad from set pieces. Lenihan is streets ahead of both of them 

Yet the min he went to Brighton he stated heading them in the right end.

To be fair he made a decent alehouse type Prem defender. Agree though a total s###house of a guy. Morals in the sewer.

Both were plonked in here to get fit get games and increase in value. Intention a quick stepping stone.

6 minutes ago, dingles staying down 4ever said:

Question

Would you really have the likes of CB we've got ahead of Dann and Duffy? Now if you are talking wastes of space.

Well we didn't exactly prosper with either of those.

3 minutes ago, toooldforthis said:

Correct.  I didn't get what I paid for.  I wanted my money back.  I still want my money back.  Waggott's stated he's not going to give refunds.  One of only 3 clubs in the EFL to hold this stance.  Therefore, for the first time in 44 years my ST money will remain in my pocket.

The only person to hold accountable there is that guy himself it's his call. Like i said he gets paid whatever so won't give a toss really.

3 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

We should have buried him in the reserves until his contract ran out.

If you deem it fit to intentionally lose games for my team, I deem it fit to waste the prime years of your career.

Someone very wealthy and owning the club and seeing that and hearing about his alleged behaviour off the park would have done just that. 

11 minutes ago, HowieFive0 said:

Stimulate in what way  Phil ?? ..after the last few days there may not even be a product to stimulate ST holders.

Go back 3 months and the up roar on here that ST holders wanted and couldnt get a refund for just  four home games and now we all want "stimulating" to chuck 350 quid for something that may not happen ? Im a season ticket holder for over 30 years ..i love the match day experience ..and thats what you pay for ..a match day experience.

Think of the bigger picture instead of simply trying to hang the club out to dry ..

I don't think it falls into the realms of hanging the club out to dry so think about what ideas people and others clubs may be offering before jumping to faux offence on the clubs behalf.

Some are actually saying they'd commit to paying up front iv'e even seen the idea of bonds mentioned so surely it's a sign of unswerving support and commitment that should be applauded ?

Personally i can only think that maybe the small numbers for someone like us makes them think it isn't worth it. Say if you've 16k regulars and you know a third would commit to something up front it might be worth it to get a few quid in. Us out of about 9k would probably be lucky to get a thousand. So the cost of implementing it and then maybe having to carry it over into something else or refunds if things get bad again before it gets started makes no economic sense.

As for stimulating well for a start regular updates from the guy on about 200 grand a year might be a start. Then of course that old chestnut the ownership and their silence. Surely a few words concerning continued backing to keep the lights on at least might help but instead we have the usual firesale/admin and the like speculation.  Speculation that the club claims damages it but it does naff all to ever nip it in the bud.  Why ?  because those tasked with it don't really give a shit as long as they get paid yet are quick to turn it back on the fans when they come under understandable scrutiny.

Silence isn't the way to run a club in the best of times never mind the worst but back on the main issue, if some want to commit at least give them the courtesy of listening and an explanation of why it might be declined.  Don't simply just brush it under the carpet it's the polar opposite of hanging the club out to dry.

Sorry to rant but you did ask....

It's the same for all clubs we aren't a unique case and others are finding various ways to stimulate their ST holders.  

Duffy is almost in Orr territory for me i'd rather stick pins in my head than have him back here. Not that's it's remotely likely anyway.

1 hour ago, rigger said:

It all starts with a keeper who commands them in front of him. Sir Roger.

Nice lad era that doesn't seem to happen anymore i remember watching both Steele & Raya closely after we've conceded in the BBE.  Steele looked terrified of Hanley & Duffy who were often totally at fault.  They in turn always looked non plussed with each other but didn't seem to communicate.

Raya was always averting Mulgrews glare even when it was Charlie boys fault.  Novice keepers though compared to Robinson who bawled people out regularly and put his name on some crosses etc.

I'd take Trumps word any day over Keans.

Mind you if Donald had an agent it would be....

32 minutes ago, renrag said:

It started when he took a heavy fall in the Blackburn end goal area.  The physio came on, pulled his shorts down and started using the spray stuff on his lower back/buttocks. From the next home game the chant became part of Blackburn end “tradition”

Nice one ?

Could never remember how it all started off.

Some journo the other day saying about this and the fit & proper test, basically 'The EFL just set the rules but it's up to the ownerships & clubs to apply them' - they either choose to or not so can't complain when they eventually get pulled was the gist of it.

Absolving them again of all blame and making it sound like just a basic set of guidelines with a loose threat off action if you breach them.  It's like dangling a worm then reeling them in and taking their money when they've been daft enough to get hooked.

Money making corruption.

You do suspect it's just protecting the big clubs yet again a Championship minus Sheff Weds & Derby loses a lot off its average crowd figures. Especially with Leeds going the other way and that would be a hell of a hit in one season.

33 minutes ago, RoverDom said:

I listen to it on the drive to and from work. I find the breakfast show quite enjoyable when it was Alan Brazil. 

Durham on the drive home is a troll. He'll say something to get a reaction and just generally be arrogant. Danny Murphy will often play along and say something to try and be that pundit who gives a different angle on everything 

That's the way i remember it always seemed good cop bad cop to get the phone lines buzzing. Some of them are real gobshites though.