Nicely put, Roy.

"Dunno if anyone saw Sky's Monday night roundup tonight, but the Liverpool fan on the panel - in the face of far more media pressure and general "hype" than we get - made a fantastic point that I think is relevant to Souness here as well. The point being that Houllier almost made his own job a poisoned chalice by winning the three cups then having a run in the Champs League - it was built up as the new Liverpool and things would be back to the 70s and 80s. Now things aren't, Houllier is taking the flak and he probably doesn't deserve it. Just like Souness doesn't deserve it. Contrast that with Curbishley at Charlton. Popular with the media, with fans (their own and in general) but he's never won anything (except a penalty shootout play off v Sunderland). Charlton are now a bigger club (support wise) than Rovers. And they're in London. You'd never know it though. Curbishley has never exceeded anyones hopes or fulfilled anyones dreams, and has never been near Cardiff - or Europe. Souness and Houllier have made themselves targets by winning. Wenger and Ferguson are always on the verge of winning, and Ranieri has joined them (and is great entertainment). No other manager in the Prem has done sh!t. Check the list." A nice piece of sophistry to ameliorate GS's shortcomings. But it doesn't really wash. Houllier is having a hard time because he has spent £118 million, missed out on the lucrative champions league and not achieved much more than Evans. Fans are aware of Rovers financial limitations but GS is having a hard time (as he himself would expect and has acknowledged) due to poor performances which are his ultimate responsibility. "We could learn allot from what Charlton have achieved" The best post you've made in ages, Gav. "Saunders is first team coach" 92er - do you know if he has any coaching experience?

We lost. Lots of superb zippy passing. Crap defending allowing a free header on the 6 yard box. Crap finishing. Totally outclassing someone and losing is like David Dunn trying to take the @#/? out of Robbie Savage and coming off second best. We need to win 2-0 or 3-1. (OK 1--1 and penalities) The odds are in their favour. Leicester (as Celtic) were often the inferior side BUT WON.