On 24/08/2021 at 23:00, phili said:

To sort out all the issues at the stadium, relay the pitch etc is probably close to £10m now with the amount of work which has been delayed.

Then you have the Riverside to sort out and decide what to do with it, probably £15-20m to sort that out.

At this rate it would probably be cheaper to knock down Ewood and rebuild it. 

So if you were buying you'd know you had probably £30m to spend on the club infrastructure pretty soon after you have purchased, probably £5m on training ground improvements and equipment that has not been replaced (Training Ground frost covers for instance). 

You'd expect Venky's probably want £60-70m to sell, you'd be at £100-110m spend before you even sign a player. We'd need £20m spent on players and 2 years to build a squad to get promotion and running costs during that time would be close to £35m. New owners would be able to boost revenues pretty easily but you'd need someone to sink close to £170m within 2 seasons to sort the club out and set us up to fight for promotion.

I think looking at it as an investor when I am buying companies, there are other clubs better placed to get that sort of investment than ourselves sadly. You'd expect probably MK Dons as a likely candidate for a wealthy investor than ourselves at the current time mainly because the money they invest would go straight to getting promotion and improving things. Here you would spend a fortune to stand still (money being sunk to rectify all of Venky's mistakes and delays since owning us). 

I personally would advise no body to follow through with this madness of a business plan. Absolute crap so many issues. The wage bill does not go away in fact most likely increases if it fails their would be literally no club left. The venkys seems to have bottomless pockets are potential new owners who knows. 

1 hour ago, JacknOry said:

Century makes it sound like a really long time lol

20 years let's revell in it

Just to be clear I have renewed at 399 my beloverered club run on and on! 

44 minutes ago, Madon said:

On a serious note, who do you drop for Dack? 

That's a decision I wouldn't like to make. 

I hope there isn't a 'like' limit on the forum as I've just liked about 50 posts in an hour, grinning from ear to ear! 

At the moment you would have to leave him out. All the forward players are currently playing aswell as he ever did. 

Around 500. If 200k salary is correct. I think it's lower than that. 

17 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

So you want to move the club best striker in Armstrong wide in front 3 when he already scored 4 goals from the 9 position. Why would anyone do that? 

I wouldn't be changing formation either. This 4-3-3 formation is working and the performances are very good this season. Holtby is in form and Rothwell has produce from the role. 

I would use Dack from the left of the 3 man forward line with Armstrong centre and Dolan right. Plus all this Dack is all back on when he will be back which won't be the next few weeks so why we are so concern about how we get Dack in the team at the point is mooted. Plus Dack is going to need a few under 23''s games aswell, so you are looking at November time before he is available for 1st team selection. We should be performing on players available and get results. If the front 3 keep playing well why would Mowbray drop any of them? 

on the subject of new contract, working for a manager who has develop him and is now playing him in his favour role of striker should count for something, it probably doesn't for most players in current football

 

we have no idea the type of player he will be when he back. He had a set back so I wouldn't be relying on him pre Christmas time. 

We have a great wealth of options now. Imagine being strong enough to have to have Dack on the bench. If we are winning regularly without him when he comes back, he will need to earn his place in the team. Armstrong over Dack as centre forward for me 

6 hours ago, AllRoverAsia said:

Both.

We played really well and this was helped by Ainsworth bringing his side to Ewood and not wanting to be seen as negative and boring.

This made the game more open and with our better quality, we gave them a pasting.

I noticed it a lot in the 2nd half, the amount of space Bell was given to attack into and good balls delivered out to him. If only he/we could cross the ball.

a massive weakness in our goals against, with respect I would suggest this references historical stats and not just one game

A great win tarnished for me at least by the sad realisation that diving is now taught in Primary School

Gareth Ainsworth has been talked about being future manager of our club. He has a lot to learn if this was the case  we played well, I think we would have got 5 even without the sending off. 

14 minutes ago, Hasta said:

Do you think it is right in the current circumstances that the club should increase riverside season ticket costs from last year by over 30% for being able to attend less games, and the games you do attend will be an inferior experience?

I don't think it is as it goes. The should have kept all prices the same as last season. My general point is that we have been spoilt on price for years. Hence why a Blackburn end season ticket is only 15 Quid more than it was in 2003. I don't think ticket prices should ever have been reduced by so much in the first place. I happy at the time but it has done us no favours. Hopefully when all this is over a reasonable price point can be found because 0 x 400 is zero which ever way you look at it. Regarding the Riverside it has been cheaper because it is the least desired seat in the house. It needs modernising. 

In terms of what they put in, for very little if any pay back.... I'd still say yes, and to be fair that includes me. 

1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

You are questioning the commitment of others because they have an issue with their ST going up £50/£80 in one summer and for a product that won’t be close to normal at that  - yet due to trains, night matches and the like being inconvenient for you, you may not buy one.

Hopefully you can now see just how ridiculous your comment was last night.

In normal circumstances I would 100% be getting a season ticket. I can't bash the V's for a Global pandemic. 

My comments last night were trying to highlight that fans complaining about price is historic going back to 2003... the same fans also complain about how we are not ambitious enough.

4 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Actually, £10.00 a game for iFollow home and away is cheaper than buying a season ticket at Rovers in the JWU. 
 
Only problem is the club will only receive £230.00. 
 

Do with that what you will 

It's not the same experience to be fair. nothing beats going to the game. If you include away travel and for me getting to home games. attending live is far more expensive. The club may only receive £230 but very little running costs I suspect. I follow has to make money I understand that, It's our product they are selling maybe it could be done in house ? 

4 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Incredible. You criticise supporters and come out with a ridiculous statement about Venkys being more committed than some fans and you might not buy a season ticket yourself.

Hypocrisy.

Edit: The whole flaming thing is unsustainable now because of their absolute incompetence.

I'm not complaining about it though, I get a season ticket every season have done for many years.. if I don't get one it won't be down to the price. 

Edit: The whole flaming thing is unsustainable now because of their absolute incompetence. - We don't need to keep paying wages to new signings such as Daniel Ayala, we did not need to keep all the high earners in League 1 etc - We do and I'm glad. The alternative is to sell of the players and replace with cheaper ones and start breaking even.

Relegation to league one was a perfect chance to reduce over heads but thankfully this did not happen - We paid transfers fees for the first time in years and kept the squad together.

For the season we were in league one we were a big fish, if we had not gone back up we would have disappeared like Bolton.

What would you do if you were in Charge ? 

Just now, Miller11 said:

No, it will be because of the mismanagement, negligence and incompetence of the three arrogant offspring of a successful Indian businessman. 

Okay.

15 minutes ago, Richard Oakley said:

The appointment of Coyle instead of Warnock was no laughing matter. It would have been us promoted and not Cardiff.

Not with the squad we had at the time unfortunately.

2 hours ago, K-Hod said:

£42 for a walk on, £45 with match day surcharge for a category A+. What are they committed to? Ripping people off?
‘We will absolutely respect the Jack Walker legacy’.
 

Why hand pick the most expensive seats that will be this price for a 2 games during the season. £27 will be the price for an adult ticket for most games. 

Should Venkys personally subsidise our ticket prices ? There already fund our very existence- our player wages are higher than our income already. I have not committed to a season ticket yet but it's not due to costs.

Reasons include

• Having to travel to Blackburn for matches - my preference is train but I won't be on a train any time soon due to Covid-19 pandemic.
• Travel again - Blackburn rates of infection our currently high.
• No Guarantee of a seat even if Fans our admitted to the stadium. 
• I already can't attend every game, I'll generally get to 12-15 a season if lucky.

However I'm wavering. I have already paid £30 this season for I follow and will again pay tomorrow- this will add up quickly at this rate. By commitment I do not intend to be insulting to anyone, I'm simply stating that many will complain about ticket prices, Shirt availability etc but ultimately to be competitive we need to have supporters in the ground paying an amount that supports the club, people subscribing to Ifollow rather than watching free streams on the internet. If one day their is no club it will be because it has become unsustainable to continue and will be a sad day if it comes.

To be fair what ever the price, the club can't really win. What I mean by that is; Handing over any amount without any idea of when you may be able to attend a game is a difficult decision to make.

I have made this point before and I'll make it again. The Worst decision the club ever made regarding season tickets was to reduce them to £199 pounds during the "Taking back Ewood" campaign. We were in the premier league at the time (prior to Venkys) with very poor attendances - Now the plan worked but it was always short sighted and what temporary boost in sales it gave has to have devalued the product.

"In a sense you are lowering the price, because you're giving people something for less than it's worth. You've devalued your offer by giving people an out, and this can have the effect of people not investing as much into your product as they otherwise would have."

Lancashire telegraph May 2003

A standard ticket on the Blackburn End will increase by £1 per game next term to £385 for adults.However, given the fact there will be an increase in the amount of category A games, that actually works out as a saving when compared to increases in matchday prices.
Chief executive John Williams insists the club are continuing to do everything in their power to make football at Ewood as affordable as possible.And he has described the overall season ticket package as 'very attractive' when compared with the rest of the top flight.

John Williams March 2004

 "We are planning for Premier League football. We had a meeting about season tickets and we do need to make sure we are in the right division.

From the times 2010#

On Saturday, September 18 at 3pm, Hyde welcome Redditch United to their Ewen Fields ground. It is a big game: the clubs are joint-bottom of the Blue Square Bet North division with a solitary point from their first seven matches.

Thirty miles north, at the same time on the same day, Blackburn Rovers host Fulham in the Barclays Premier League. Last year they were the tenth and twelfth-best teams in the country. An adult seat at Hyde is £12. An adult seat at Ewood Park for the Fulham game is £10.

So in 2003 £385 in Blackburn end is described as attractive compared to other premier league teams. 2004 John williams is considering protest by fans as a consideration for ticket prices. 2010 Ewood cheaper than Hyde United.

2020 - Fans complaining that the price in the blackburn end has in real terms increased by less than £1 a year over the last 18 years.

Sad but true but our Indian owner seem far more committed than most of our fans.  I won't look into the price of the Jack walker stand but I know that this is cheaper than what it once was.

On 10/03/2020 at 15:13, JoeH said:

Members with just 3 posts on the forum overall, who come on discussing the movement of 3,000 home fans to suit the away team, could be quite easily perceived as being non--genuine Rovers supporters, I'm sure you can admit?

There are not 3k Rovers in the Riverside full stop. However I would be embarrassed if our club gave more than 1 stand to away support. I'm not sure the Riverside can easily of safely segregated. 

The Wigan attendance should have been much higher with £10. Please remember Wigan sold 2k? Cheap ticketets the uptake has to be better to make it viable. 

25 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

That’s what I said they should’ve done.

Doing a Big 6 starting with a February night match available on the red button was a daft idea... and I imagine they sold a handful.

But this won’t sell either, as bundles just don’t, but they carry on regardless.
 

If this is the case and sales are not good. We should ask why ? We have had a decent season. In with a shout of the playoffs. 

I agree these deals don’t sell well. But neither do 5/10 tickets, even tickets given to schools seem to be a slog. 

We have a large fan base but let’s face it, it’s fairly poor and not engaged with the club. Which is not the clubs fault. 230k twitter followers for example who are they ? Why do some fans only go away? 

The match day atmosphere will be instantly improved simply and only by more people being present. Many under used/under valued things are done by the club, but what do fans expect from going to a football match, surely the main event is the game itself.  

8 hours ago, tomphil said:

One for the future ?

Too be fair if we had not spent so much money on him or he had come through the academy- We would this we had a star on our hands. 

Nearly 19k but 3k+ Wigan fans on. I genuinely think that was poor. If it were £10 every week it would not be sustainable. In my opinion crowds would fall back to my 15k which we average over a season anyhow. As is often the case my seat was empty, watching on TV the atmosphere was subdued. I think the announced at attendance may be people through the turnstiles and the club alternate with what is declared. I think pricing based on £25 jw centre £20 outer jw £20 bburn end and £15 Riverside is the way to go. By my reckoning last nights attendance would have been knocking on for 15k even at normal price. 

11 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Anybody hear the Dack conversation on Quest?

Murray and guests saying something like ‘And we’ve found out he’s a top pro too, pretty much teetotal’, cue sniggers from the lot of them.

His ‘lifestyle’ obviously well known in the game, it seems...

I thought they were talking about Downing. Makes more sense now. 

It was interesting watch the new Barnsley manager. you could tell he wished he had our subs bench. I'm sure he was aware of the players in our squad but you could see a surprise look on his face. 

The latest accounts are from our season in league 1. We are now a lot closer to break even. We had to get out of league 1 and did to great expense. Since promotion a loss has been made but primarily due to transfer activity. 

14 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

HTs on sale... £210-£235 in the Jack Walker! Very steep for 11 matches. Can’t see many being sold.

 

https://www.rovers.co.uk/news/2019/november/half-season-tickets-2019-20/

Riverside 170 Blackburn end 190 also. Prestons are all more than ours. Top end 275. Any way they are now on sale, so very few can be sold. If only they were on sale 2 weeks ago. ?