1 hour ago, MarkBRFC said:

How do you put fear into the modern day player?

Fine them, drop them, bench them but most of all give them a right f**king rollocking at half time.

Fergie did it and I dare say other managers do it.

Did you see the Alan Shearer interview, he wanted to fine the players upto 50% which tbf is alot and he couldn't implement it due to the FA cry babies but the idea of it should be implemented.

https://youtu.be/UozlUpQQJpc

If the majority of players are TM picks when they signed and not thrusted upon him then Id say its 90% Manager. I know the old saying " but once they cross that white line...." but TM should be putting the fear of god up them.

When I played most of the time we played with fear ( and respect) from the manager.

Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

Mowbray did a great job after the mess coyle had gotten us in. Yes, he made some mistakes, but that was always going to happen. It just seemed like when we pulled off a result that would get us out if things, another team had an off day and lost games they would have expected to win against our rivals. Can't fault Mowbray. Another couple of games and we would have been safe. 

definatly, I think 5 more games we would be well clear. TM did well to give us a bit of hope, under Coil we would have been down about the same time as Rotherham.

Just now, Stuart said:

Bloody Redknapp.

Daughter in law is fit tho.

9 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Two points there. What Huddersfield do in the FA Cup is a matter for the FA and not the 'EFL'.

Most importantly what Huddersfield do in the FA Cup in a replay they were 99% certain to lose regardless isn't the same as what they do in a league game on the penultimate game of the season when the opposition are embroiled in a relegation dogfight and are placed to gain an advantage from that selection compared to their rivals.

The reason the rule is there is to try and protect the integrity of the league and ensure there are no accusations of certain teams benefiting from teams fielding weakened sides.

If Brentford decided to make 10 changes on Sunday compared to the team that drew at Fulham last week then I would expect them to be punished also, as would every Forest and Birmingham fan. 

7 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Two points there. What Huddersfield do in the FA Cup is a matter for the FA and not the 'EFL'.

Most importantly what Huddersfield do in the FA Cup in a replay they were 99% certain to lose regardless isn't the same as what they do in a league game

I wasnt saying about the governing body on if they can punish or not I was implying we are talking about ethics of the manager, its all the same no matter if its EFL or FA.

the opposition are embroiled in a relegation dogfight

They are there because of a 40+ plus season that they cant win enough games to survive, Huddersfield IMHO rested their players to finish off the season in the play offs playing the extra games that other teams due to not being able to win enough games have missed out on. How that reflects on the peasants below isnt on the mind of the Hudderfield manager.

2 minutes ago, Stuart said:

Given what happened last weekend, don't you think that it's highly plausible that Huddersfield played a weakened side against City in the cup knowing they were very unlikely to win and the priority was the league?

 

Maybe so but in BOTH cases viable. Im not saying Hudd's did/didnot purposely exploit the 'rules' tbh this rule is BS, as long as you play your legal squad then every team has the choice of who to play and not play.

What if it was England fielding a 2nd 'string' to to finish 2nd in the group to play the winners of Group A who for Eg was Austrailia instead of Spain.

Huddersfield
13Coleman
14Cranie
5Hudson
12Holmes-Dennis
4Whitehead
8Billing
18Lolley Substituted forWellsat 59'minutes
16Payne Substituted forBrownat 72'minutes
23Quaner

27Stankovic

17van La Parra Substituted forKachungaat 59'minutes

Huddersfield
13Coleman
14Cranie
5Hudson Substituted forMooyat 67'minutes
12Holmes-DennisBooked at 32minsSubstituted forWellsat 45'minutes
4Whitehead
8Billing
18Lolley
16Payne
23QuanerBooked at 57mins

2Smith

11Bunn Substituted forScannellat 67'minutes
 

1 played against Man City 

1 Played against Birmingham

at no point did the BBC website say it was a weaker side that faced ManCity

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38940051

1 hour ago, AllRoverAsia said:

He didn't know a relegation rival would be gifted 3 points!!

That is the issue I'm on about.

if it was brentford this sunday would you complain.

fact of the matter is teams have been doing it for years whilst some teams didnt break any rules per say other teams get punished for this big grey area of a rule.

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Two Premier League Examples: The Quality of Your ‘Second String’

Below are two examples of heavy rotation by United and Liverpool. The context of the United example, was that they had just won the PL with one game to spare. They played Hull on Sunday 24 May 2009 ahead of the Champions League Final against Barcelona just three days later. Nine days earlier United put out its strongest team against Arsenal because at that stage the race for the title with Liverpool was still up for grabs. Once United had secured the PL title they rotated 10 of the starting 11 players for the trip to Hull.

Arsenal vs Manchester Utd 15 May 2009	Hull v Manchester United 24 May 2009
Van der Sar	Kuszczak
O’Shea	Rafael Da Silva
Vidic	Brown,
Evans	Neville
Evra	De Leat
Ronaldo	Nani
Fletcher	Fletcher
Carrick	Gibson
Giggs	Welbeck
Rooney	Martin
Tevez	Macheda

Alex Ferguson made ten changes for the Hull game but was not sanctioned by the PL (this was the same number of changes as Wolves made against United for the match it was found to have breached PL Rules). This begs the question whether the fact that the United players playing Hull included Nani, Fletcher, Brown and Neville who were all internationals playing in United’s ‘weakened’ team influenced the PL in ignoring United’s failure to put out its ‘full strength’ team?

Liverpool made nine changes from the team that had previously beaten Chelsea in the Champions League semi-final four days prior to their PL game against Fulham. Even with those changes the starting 11facing Fulham contained 9 internationals. Arbeloa and Insua were the only two who at that time had not represented their country although both have subsequently been called up for Spain and Argentina respectively.

Liverpool v Chelsea (Champions League semi-final second leg) 1.5.07	Fulham v Liverpool (PL match) 5.5.07
Reina	Reina
Finnan	Arbeloa
Agger	Paletta
Riise	Hyypia
Carragher	Insua
Pennant	Pennant
Gerrard	Alonso
Zenden	Sissoko
Mascherano	Gonzalez
Kuyt	Fowler
Crouch	Bellamy

Even with nine and ten changes made, international class players were still present in both Liverpool and United’s ‘weakened’ team. What is certain is that any managers ability to change his staring line up will depend on how strong the clubs playing squad is.

Unfortunately and crucially for understanding how these issues will be dealt with by the PL in the future, the PL did not make its full decision in the Wolves case public so we cannot assess how the disciplinary Board measured what constitutes Wolves’ full strength team and whether they dealt with the apparent inconsistencies highlighted in this bulletin.

Objective Assessments

There are a number of relevant factors that could be used in assessing whether a PL club is fielding its “full strength” team.

A basic measure of a club’s full strength team might be to base it on the players that start the most number of PL games for the club. A team that is not at full strength team would fail to contain many of the players that have started the most PL games for a club. In the case of Wolves it would mean assessing how many of the team that played United where amongst Wolves’ top eleven starters since Wolves had returned to the PL. However, this alone is clearly too crude a measure as it fails to factor in player unavailability due to injury, international duty or having only recently being signed to the club.

and again my argument is how do you determin which player is stronger or weaker than another.

Whats next a club getting fined for playing 541...

9 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

The man I feel most for in this shambles is Tony Mowbray.

He took over a team who were headed for certain relegation and over 14 games has on fact worked wonders. If he had come in prior to Christmas we would be ok now.

We may still have been relegated but he got us a chance at safety.

Huddersfields action have dealt Tony a bad hand.

I dont, he knew 1000% what he was walking into he was given a huge uphill battle to overcome. Save us he's a legend relegated and its not his fault. TM win win situation. If this time in 6 months he's given no money and told to sell everyone then yeah Id say he'd hard done by but fair play for TM to pick up the challenge.

26 minutes ago, Stuart said:

What has the Premier League got to do with anything?

all under the FA rules the PL made the precedent in 2011

I dont see any problem with what Huddersfield did.

If I had 25 players for the senior squad I should be able to pick who the hell I want for a match, as mentioned whos to say 1 player is better than another?

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The 20 Premier League clubs agreed at their AGM in early June that any combination of players named in their registered 25-man squads will be able to start a match.

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The rule has not been totally withdrawn, and clubs will still be at risk of a fine if they select a number of younger players from outside their 25-man squad.

and this is where the rule could be abused but if for eg TM should be able to pick from ANY of the following

• 1Jason Steele (G)
• 33David Raya Martin (G)
• 37Andrew Fisher (G)
• 2Adam Henley (D)
• 3Gordon Greer (D)
• 4Tommy Hoban (D)
• 5Derrick Williams (D)
• 14Charlie Mulgrew (D)
• 15Elliott Ward (D)
• 20Stephen Hendrie (D)
• 24Ryan Nyambe (D)
• 30Wes Brown (D)
• 36Jack Doyle (D)
• 42Lewis Travis (D)
• 6Jason Lowe (M)
• 7Liam Feeney (M)
• 18Lucas Joao (M)
• 21Hope Akpan (M)
• 23Danny Guthrie (M)
• 26Darragh Lenihan (M)
• 27Willem Tomlinson (M)
• 28Connor Mahoney (M)
• 29Corry Evans (M)
• 31Elliott Bennett (M)
• 32Craig Conway (M)
• 9Anthony Stokes (F)
• 12Danny Graham (F)
• 17Marvin Emnes (F)
• 19Sam Gallagher (F)

if Huddersfield started with the under 18's then fair enough.

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spokesman at the Premier League said: "The 25-man squad rules do allow clubs to pick under-21 players beyond those named in their squad list and, with this in mind, it was agreed by the clubs that it was appropriate for the rule to remain in place in order to ensure the integrity of the competition."

Last November, Blackpool drew 2-2 at home to Everton, before Holloway then made 10 changes to his starting line up for a match at Aston Villa four days later.

Blackpool lost the match at Villa Park 3-2, with Holloway giving six players their first start in the Premier League.

Holloway defended his selection, saying at the time: "I've got every right to do what I like. Who are they to tell me my players are not good enough?"

He added that the players brought in had cost the club a lot of money, some of whom were internationals.

After the Premier League studied Holloway's selection Blackpool were fined £25,000 in January for distorting the integrity of the competition, a fine they later appealed.

Huddersfield Town have 26 men registered in their first team squad, with every player other than Luke Coddington and Regan Booty making an appearance this season.

Elton John's chin has hits more balls than Anthony stokes's right boot.

If Birmingham win then even if we beat Villa we need to win by 5 to go above Forest ...( before forest kick a ball) if they get beat by QPR 1-0 we need 4

"If he can't motivate the players for a limited period during a series of  must win games  at the end of a relegation dog fight"

The manager shouldnt need to motivate the players at all, they should be doing that themselves but here lies the problem the players dont give a @#/?. Either it being due to loanees or what ever but the last thing the manager should be doing is motivate under our predicament, installing belief maybe upping the fitness and training yeah dam right.

Sure you need a manager to motivate a team that get battered week in week out and nothing to play for but in our crisis they are professional players being paid professional wages.

11 minutes ago, Dunnfc said:

Said it at the time he wasn't right and i think he's been a marginal improvement on Coyle. 

Still not good enough though but he's been dealt a keany hand by the current "squad" he's inherited and working for Venkys, Cheston and Senior.

Under Coil we would have been dead and buried weeks ago, at least TM gave us a bit of hope and a decent run

(Played 13
Won 3
Draw 7
Lost 3)

whilst he is part to blame I blame the players.

Cross that white line and they roll over. Gutless Spineless Clueless

like i said last week Id not pay them in washers....

40 minutes ago, Suhail Slayer said:

A coach load of Venkygraph readers on a day trip to the seaside....

Serious Question - How do you clap in that position ?

is that the Riverside ??

3 minutes ago, JonnyP said:

I can't watch the PL anymore watching over paid majority foreign players who couldn't care less about the teams they play for, all about money it's a disgrace. I enjoy the six nations and the odd Irish international qualifiers because they actually want to play for Ireland and alway punch above their weight, the rest is wasted on me at the moment. 

 

I stopped religiously watching the PL and football in general a few years back for that very reason. Now and again Ill watch the Champs League as it draws to the quarters etc..

I worked for a highstreet bookmaker for 5 yrs and we would do previews and the posters etc for the upcoming big games Chelsea v Man Utd or Arsenal v Spurs etc and created this whole buildup and then come to watch the game and its like pulling teeth-watching paintdry. As a biker we have a joke about Footballers only requiring 1 ball. These primadonnas over paid big girls boluses cracking under prssure of a game or being fould like they been shot...try going round TT course at 200,ph+ next to brick walls..thats pressure. 

2 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

When you are on a wretched run like Birmingham, the last 3 pressured games of the season (one of them away at your arch rivals) is a tough ask for any new manager, so who knows there may not be the fabled 'bounce'.

Saying that though they only need one win and we won't be catching them.

Harry might go  in and basically say " look lads 2 wins in 20+ games, past is past just go out and express your selfs. Enjoy the last 3 games and then the summer hols.

I would.

Id wipe the slate clean regardless of their record take the pressure off.

Anything they get would be a bonus, he must see they have the quality ( 7th when Rowlett got sacked?) so no pressure.....

I still think 49 will secure it, 'arry at Birmingham is desperado time will it be enough can he get 2 points? or a win? 

but looking at the last 10 games at teams at the bottom we have collected more points than 3 other teams even if Birmingham survive I'd be more worried if I was a Forest fan. 

I dont believe that any team has a harder run in than another team, 
15 bristol city 
13 burton
07 brum
09 forest
11 rovers
10 wigan 
 

Just now, preston blue said:

I used to have that feeling every time I walked or drove down Livesey Branch Road and turned the corner to see Ewood whether there was a game on or not.

I loved the place.  Sadly indifference is taking over and it reminds me of plague.

My lad is 18 now and ID take him to games and even tho he's never been a football mad boy he loved the days out, meeting players , my eldest girl was mascot once and id enjoy meals in the club bar surrounded by all the murals from yesteryear. Ironically Im redecorating my lads old room this weekend which was Rovers Blue white border and flags of BRFC with framed photos of players and tickets from worthington cup and full members cup. My point of this ramble is if he came to me now as a 8yr old boy and said he wanted to follow a team I couldn't recommend Rovers under this fiasco. My Rovers died years ago.

1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

Wiith crowds of about 5/6000 and no owner input, we will simply be a mid ranking League 1 team.

Just think that through a moment and look at the clubs Venky's have made our peer group...

 

1		Sheffield United	445.667		21.222
2		Bradford City	379.874	21	18.089
3		Bolton Wanderers	302.658	21	14.412
4		Charlton Athletic	232.342	21	11.064
5		Milton Keynes Dons	209.598	21	9.981
6		Bristol Rovers	193.123	21	9.196
7		Millwall FC	191.395	21	9.114
8		Coventry City	190.782	21	9.085
9		Oxford United	173.906	21	8.281
10		Southend United	152.692	21	7.271
11		Swindon Town	146.302	21	6.967
12		Northampton Town	129.531	21	6.168
13		Gillingham FC	126.301	21	6.014
14		Chesterfield FC	125.172	21	5.961
15		Peterborough United	117.239	21	5.583
16		Shrewsbury Town	112.526	21	5.358
17		Walsall FC	102.172	20	5.109
18		Scunthorpe United	93.886	21	4.471
19		AFC Wimbledon	93.877	21	4.470
20		Port Vale FC	92.817	21	4.420
21		Oldham Athletic	88.161	21	4.198
22		Bury FC	78.394	21	3.733
23		Rochdale AFC	71.709	21	3.415
24		Fleetwood Town	66.851	21	3.183

its like we have gone back to 1980  thats how much destruction Venkys have done in the 7yrs , put us back nearly 40yrs.....

1 hour ago, Waggy76 said:

My gut feeling > Senior is a fraud a good man for Venkys to employ !

not posted for a while due to ill health etc but  of all this car crash this is my impression.Senior was brought in to squeeze whats left out of the club value wise and maybe brought in to adjust the expenditure depending on our situation. He's the one trying to find the hidden gem for almost nothing.  He failed miserably when he came in going after a player who couldn't get a work permit but he's the slime ball saying all the right things to his boss ( who ever that is)

TM. Brought in for LGE 1 but with 1 eye on if he achieves the miracle of keeping us up. He was unfairly criticized even before a ball was kicked and I think most fans would have him over Coil anyday and given more time and a transfer window would have done better.

I agree the manager has got the prepare the team be the motivational speaker, give a bollocking or put an arm round players but soon as they cross the white line its down to the players

The players are gutless spineless and Id not pay them in washers but again you cant build a squad full of loanees and rejects but the way they imploded saturday was a disgrace, TM should have read them all the riot act at half time but tbf most of the players dont give a @#/?.

I was one of the protesters from the Kean era and like many that fateful day -v- Wigan seen relegation coming a mile off with owners failing to act in time. A light at the end of the tunnel was the conception that relegation might mean the owners sold up etc but how wrong we was. I'd accept it now if it meant the same but again Im not holding my breath.

22 minutes ago, roverstdt said:

Not at all Shameful. You judge an individual based on his results.

Yeah you do, a lot of fans on here didnt.

50 minutes ago, Dunnfc said:

Would you be saying that if his return was 0/9 as opposed to 7/9?

 

Not at all as he would have had those games under his belt but tbf for many people on here to call him, chastise him even before he had a game is just uncalled for. If he never won another game Id be the first to say it was a bad appointment but only judge his tenure here from games played, half of you lot here wouldnt have given the time of day. 

What if he saves us from relegation to  LG1 how many fans that called him would say 'actually he done a good job' with ANY manager coming in give the bloke a chance. Even HWSNBN was given a honeymoon period.