just to add a bit more. the control the police have had over the two games has been pretty much spot on (apart from the obvious pr!ck at burnley) and it's proved that we're moving towards exactly what it should be (ie a highly tense, hard fought derby between two of the oldest and most viocerious rivals in the country). have your singalong about bananas and feet, mums and dads etc but all that side of it all devalues both teams and the game so much. it's not neccessary, there's enough to get excited about on the field.