Good luck to Tony Mowbray. 

Is Capt. Kirk in it?

Absolutely. Han Solo owes him money.

Star Wars was incredible

Pretty safe but they nailed it

Watched it last night. My kids loved it. I confess a preference for the original 3 episodes, but that's me being a cranky old man and thinking my generation's way is the only way.

If you watch Game of Thrones on HBO, there are no ads. On other media, I don't know.

Considering American viewers have the right to bear arms, how do they manage to avoid shootng seven shades of hell out of their screens every day with the ludicrous number of adverts?

Steve Moss, can you explain this ?!

Like me, I suspect they DVR it and then fast forward through the commercials.

Justified from FX. Season 6 will be its last.

The debt is unmanageable and unrecoverable. Same as ours. The solution is obvious to me, unpalatable to some but inevitable. Bankruptcy---winding up----- NW United.

Isn't converting the debt to equity also an option, assuming the owners were inclined?

Saw Despicable Me 2 and Turbo over the last week with the kids. They loved them both and, I confess, I was also entertained. Recommended.

SPOILERS FOR THE SHOW AND BOOKS-

The Mountain is Ser Gregor Clegane- so named due to his size. His been scene on the show. He was burned the Riverlands (on Tywin's orders) when Tyrion was kidnapped by Catelyn Stark. Eddard Stark, as Hand of the King, sent Beric Dondarrion after him. Beric, after Eddard's execution, becomes the leader of the BwB and was killed (temporarily) by Gregor's brother, Sandor Clegane (he of the burned face). Sandor is a better warrior than Gregor (though Gregor doesn't realize it) but has some personal issues (mostly involving childhood trauma inflicted upon him by Gregor- the Clegane brothers would gladly kill each other).

Doran's plans must be kept in context. No one anticipated the return of the Dragons. He worked with Illyrio and Varys to get Dany her Dothraki horde and when they invaded, Dorne would attack from the south. For a variety of reasons that plan went to hell in a hand basket. Bur Doran is the type of man who has plan B, C and D all waiting in the wings. As GRRM likes symmetry, I suspect that Doran will be the one who does in Cersie, Tommen and Myrcella Lannister.

Sam is very cool. He's almost like a modern person stuck in this pseudo-medieval world. Well read, intelligent, compassionate, and avoids violence. He tries to work out rational solutions to problems, which normally don't involve an edge of the sword (which is most characters first instinct). He still has several more glory moments coming up.

Season 4 is the second half of the novel "A Storm of Swords" (as season 3 was the first half). It'll have plenty of blood, guts and death, I'm sure.

For example, we haven't yet meant Doran Martell, Prince of Dorne and Elia' older brother [Elia being Rheagar Targaryen's wife who was raped by the Mountain, and her and her infant children murdered by Lannisters in the Sack of King's Landing). He makes Michael Corleone look impatient by comparison. He's waited 15 years for his revenge, building alliances, weaving webs, hiding his intentions from even his close family.

He wants them all dead; every single Lannister. Two of my favorite quotes of his from the novels (when finally revealing his intentions to his previously in the dark and pseudo-rabid daughter):

"Vengeance. Justice. Fire and Blood." (

"I have worked at the downfall of Tywin Lannister since the day they told me of Elia and her children".

Him, the imp and dragonbabe are clearly the main characters. They've been mainstays in the story all the way through so far and seem to get the most screen time.

I do wanna know who Snows mother is as that's obviously a key part of the show, given he's discussed it so often.

Another aspect is the imp. i watched the series one episode today where Ned is looking at the fat kings heritage. black hair all the way through till joffrey and something dawned on me. All the lannisters are blonde except the imp.

I know what I think it is having watched season one again?

As to the parentage of Jon Snow and Tyrion Lannister, here's the following (SPOILERS FROM THE BOOKS- DON'T READ PAST THIS POINT):

Here the multiple Jon Snow theories: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Jon_Snow/Theories

As to Tyrion Lannister, here's a pro/con discussion: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/53017-tyrion-as-a-targaryen/

All said, I think Jon Snow is the legitimate son of Rheagar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. There is no direct evidence of this but a ton of circumstantial evidence from the novels.

As to Tyrion, he's a smaller (but cleverer and more humane) version of Tywin. While there is some weak evidence that he's the son of Aerys (the Mad) Targaryen, I think all said he's clearly Tywin's son. If anyone is illegitimate in the Lannister family its Cersie and Jaime (though I think this is unlikely also).

I don't know as HBO split a Storm of Swords between seasons 3 and 4. But if it follows the books there should be 2 more (who I won't say in case someone is reading) biting the dust within the near future (this weekend or the beginning of season 4).

Let's see, for starters:

* Tyrion participating in the gang-rape of his wife.

* Poisoning Cersei to stop her attending council meetings.

* Threatening to harm Tommen if Cersei does anything to a prostitute assumed to be his lover.

* Having Symon Silver Tongue killed and turned into a stew.

Dinklage plays a more likable but considering less interesting version of Tyrion. He's like the Lannister version of Ned in the show.

Just wrong on so many levels. When was Jon repeatedly punked by his elders in the book? Did he get clubbed by Craster in the books and then bitched out by Mormont for being a dumbass? Did he have to ask the Halfhand to tag along in the books or was he personally requested? Did he botch Ygritte's execution and then spend his time leading her around on a wild goose chase. The answer, in case you haven't noticed, is no on all accounts.

Ghost is there during the fight with Qhorin Halfhand and afterwards, unlike in S2 when Ghost randomly disappeared because they couldn't be assed to animate him. Jon's warging abilities in the book are actually part of the reason Mance accepts him into the Wildling army. Something completely overlooked in the show. It isn't until the third book that Jon actually sends Ghost back to Castle Black.

The two of them had great on-screen chemistry but their scenes were essentially pointless and didn't progress the plot at all. And that's the first time I've ever heard someone compare Arya with Tywin. Tywin isn't a "psychopathic killer". He's a ruthless warlord who employs psychopaths to do his dirty work but he's by no means a hatchet man. And certainly not one to have cosy little chats with some cupbearer. And Arya is no cold-blooded killer. Not at this stage of the books, unless you're counting the stable boy, whom she killed out of pure instinct. She is starting down her own path of darkness but not one comparable to Tywin.

Tywin's treatment of Tyrion's common wife, and the lie he had Jaime tell, has been referenced twice that I can remember.

He's made threats of a more general nature to Cersie (though I agree he hasn't threatened Tommen).

His poisoning of Cersei was not intended to kill her, only inconvenience her. And HBO does a good job if showing the conflict, even it they don't dwell on every slight one has given the other.

Turning Symon into a stew was Bronn's idea, not Tyrion's, though Tyrion did give the order to make him disappear.

As to Jon, he's lectured by his elders quite a few times in the books (Benjen, Mormont, Tyrion, etc.). He did take Ygritte prisoner as he was to weak/honorable to kill her, though the lost scene was an invention of the show. Ygritte mocks him about his behaviors before he gives in. The wildlings are on his case for the most part. I fail to see how HBO has failed to capture Jon's character.

At this point, Arya has killed one person and ordered the death of three others. She's endured tremendous trauma. HBO is doing an excellent job showing her psychological shift from high spirited noble to remorseless assassin.

I get the impression that you want each page of the novels on screen. That's not reasonable. There will be cuts and the story will be condensed. I think HBO has done a stellar job to date. GRRM seems pleased, at least.

Is Arya the boy/girl stark wondering around with The burnt faced knight? She doesn't strike me a psychopath although she gave the pig trader a right good smack in the last episode.

Out of curiousity did Rob Stark insist that Snow was made his heir as per the book? Also have they made any reference to Snows heritage? Or the dwarf's?

I think they should have shown the brutality in all it's glory just look at how they started the scence at the wedding, that was savage.

Yes, Arya is the girl pretending to be a boy. They've softened her character a bit as she's more violent without remorse in the book, but HBO I think is beginning to show that change in her personality (initially high spirited and fun loving to a cold killer).

The book only implies Robb Stark made Jon his heir (an argument with Caitlyn Stark over it, then a scene with him signing papers with her looking on out of sorts and then messengers heading north with the papers) though I agree its pretty clear he did. I haven't seen a reference to it in the HBO show, though all it will take is a reference from the Blackfish or Edmure in the next episode or two to clarify it.

I personally agree with you that they should reinforce the brutality of what is going on, but a lot of people (including my wife) are at the upper limit of what they can tolerate. I think HBO is striking the right balance.

Tyrion is a much greyer character in the books, but in the show they've practically gutted anything morally questionable about Peter Dinklage's role and painted him as a saint.

Jon is supposed to be a capable young warrior and a born leader. In S2 he spent most of his time getting punked by his elders for being a moron and ending up the butt of several virgin/wang jokes with Ygritte. And his connection with Ghost is nonexistent.

Arya is probably the most accurate of the three, but even a lot of her character development in Harrenhal was toned down. What was supposed to be her personal hell turned into tea and crumpets with her new bff Tywin Lannister.

As to Tyrion, what was more "grey" about him than the show? The books were very clear that Tyrion, despite being a drunken womanizer, was basically a highly intelligent good man. Ditto the show. Neither portray him as a saint.

Jon was repeatedly "punked" by his elders and Ygritte in the books. It was not until the battle for Castle Black that he really begins to come into his own as a warrior and leader. And remember he sent Ghost away in the books when he was with the wildlings, for the simple reason that wolves can't climb 700' tall walls. So yes, his connection was mostly non-existent during this time ) other than his "wolf" dreams.

HBO did soften Arya's time in Harrenhal. Largely I think as most audiences wouldn't be able to tolerate the day in and day out horror she experienced there. On HBO did show it, in flashes and glimpses (heads on spikes, men being tortured and others in chains is a fairly good indication of what Harrenhal was like to the viewers without dwelling on it).

And I quite liked Tywin's and Arya's interaction. Spiritually, they were the two closest connected characters in the books, as both are highly intelligent, psychopathic killers who were devoted to their families and completely willing to avenge any slight no matter how small. Their scenes clearly established that while Arya hated the Lannisters and will doubtless wreck her bloody revenge on them as she grows older, she is essentially following in the footsteps of Tywin (albeit it in a more direct way as Tywin hires out his work).

i am curious to know what's going to happen as it progresses. The book series author seems to take about 5 years to write one novel and he still has two to go to finish the storyline. I wonder if he'll get finished in time for the TV series.

The HBO series has departed from the book series in some ways, but it has kept the themes and high (and low) points intact. Which I think is wise, as the novels have done remarkably well for a reason. The Red Wedding is a case in point. Other than the identity and background of Robb's Queen, it was true to the novels. And the discrepancies with Robb's Queen is not an important issue, as GRRM essentially wrote her out of the novels (per Jaime's viewpoint) so her TV fate changes nothing of significance.

As to GRRM completing the novel series before the book series, I think he will for three reasons. First, some of the books (such as Storm of Swords) is actually being broken in two which creates a bit of a buffer. Second, GRRM is completely finished with 25% of the next book (edits and all) and is rumored to be well into the balance of the book. GRRM is one of those writers who spent an inordinate amount of time working his way through plot points (such as the "Meereneese Knot") followed by completing hundreds of pages in an incredibly short period. Third (and last) GRRM strikes me as incredibly money oriented (and there is nothing wrong with that) and I suspect the HBO series is very lucrative for him. He'll find a way to ensure everything is complete before the television show.

And for the record, I'm a fan of the Jon, Arya and Tyrion character arcs. To date, the show has been very faithful to these three characters.

Game Of Thrones is outstanding television.

In my opinion Venkys need to get the manager situation sorted NOW so he can prepare for next season NOW. Putting things off only weaken our prospects for next season.

And though I would wish for a manager with more fame (to attract quality players), experience (to better ensure we win) and strength of character (to control both the players and the board), the reality of the situation is how much cash is Venkys willing to throw at the Rovers? The answer may be not that much more. If so, then Gary Bowyer may be the most cost effective solution. Especially in that he's a Rover, cares about the club, wins his fair share of matches, and is relatively cheap which means what spare cash is available can be used to improve the midfield and defense, assuming we can keep our hands on the current strike force.

All in my inexpert opinion, of course.

Well done on the win and we are close to certain survival but.....................

Reading some of the posts on here I am really struggling to come to terms with some of the naive comments. Believe it or not we have already entered a critical period for next season and nothing at all has been done. Who is talking to the out of contract players? Who is deciding who stays and who goes? Who has identified any potential targets? Who is planning pre-season training? Who is planning the friendlies? Who is deciding season ticket prices? Who is targeting potential sponsors? There are lots of other things that should be happening but you can bet your bottom dollar they won't be.

We really need to hit the ground running next season and a good start is imperative. With none of the above being done at the moment I believe we will be in exactly the same position next season where we will be fighting to stay in the league and celebrating a win at the likes of Millwall like we have won the FA Cup.

+1.

I really wish Venkys' advisors tracked this board. They'd find a wealth of information and critical questions that need direct answers which would improve their reputation and might, barely, turn them into minimally competent owners.

Venkys should not be taking advice from Agnew (formerly in charge of the club mascot), Shaw (the shelf salesman of PNE fame) or Shebby Singh (who takes 5 weeks to select a manager only to sack him 2 months later).

Where did you get that rubbish from? We paid approx 1.5m for Dann. The 6m deal reported in the press included his wages over the length of the contract. It was reported like that at the request of Birmingham City who didn't want to anger their supporters.

If true that isn't a bad deal for Dann, who has been a good asset this season (though not last).

An excellent win.

I'm interested to see how we do against Watford this weekend. Gary Bowyer seems the type to keep the squad performing.

Regardless, I'm weeping in my beer for what might have been but for board room weasels.

Well it's costing me and my mate a fair wedge to watch the game tonight . 12 hours overtime turned down in order to watch . Just got up and butterflies or indegestion ( who knows) are flowing. Going to nip the gym to pass time . I don't think anyone hates the venkyscum more than me but tonight IS important and could be the defining game in our teams famous history . Yes I want them out but no I don't want division 3 either and the death that would follow . Strangely tho I don't know whether its too many night shifts or insanity but I feel a good win coming tonight , no idea why ha.
Ah we'll back on nights tommorow and a fridge of Stella for overnight awaits .

+1

RIP

WHERE DOES HORSE RADISH SAUCE COME FROM?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseradish

If you are the police, the where are your badges ?

We don't need no stinking badges!

A Game of Thrones rocks.

So who is everyone's favourite GoT character?

Mine has got to be Jaime Lannister.

Tyrion Lannister

Jon Snow

Arya Stark

Marriner might not but I'm damned sure that Mike Dean would.

Must say if anybody conned me causing me to lose points / credibility etc to 20m viewers they'd get nowt ever again and I'd privately tell them as much before a match started.

All that would do is result in complaints about the referee being biased even before the ball was kicked. Add a witness or two and the "corruption" within the referee pool would be front page news for weeks.

I agree with you, though, that something needs to be done.

The first thing I would do is require the publication of the assessor's report on each referee at the end of the match. Shame is a powerful motivator, and both the center referee and the player should be on the receiving end.

Referees are fair game - the solution lies with the authorities who should be able to retrospectively punish players for clear acts of simulation that go unpunished during the game. Also managers and the PFA should be heard more in such cases.

I would very much like a after match panel of three referees reviewing the video footage and handing out retroactive cards at the end of each match. I don't care it it is for violent conduct, simulation, etc., it should be stamped out. And the match referee's statement that he "saw it" but decided not to act should count for nothing. The issue is stamping out the incentive to cheat, not protect the feelings of the center referee.