JHRover
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Venkys out
Nothing else matters until then.
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As designed by those in control the 'anti JDT' stuff has gone down a treat on the Venkygraph, Facebook and twitter. Legions of fans now using this as 'evidence' that the problem here was JDT, that he had lost the dressing room, that the players weren't happy under him and that things should be fine now we've got Eustace in charge.
It really is that simple to pull the wool over the eyes of so many so quickly.
All I know as a supporter who has seen an awful lot of crap in the last 12 years is that JDT delivered more in less time than anyone else, that we went nearer to cracking the play-offs than under anyone else, that we went nearer to Wembley than under anyone else and this was despite being given zero backing during January and working with extreme limitations.
Obviously as a humble supporter and not a 'pro' I'm not privy to what goes on in private but whatever did go on clearly didn't do us much harm last season or the first half of this season as we sat in or close to the top 6 despite slashing and burning the squad, deliberately.
I don't personally care what individuals thought about the manager. What matters is results. Give me last season under JDT above any other season we've had under relentless mediocrity and failure under these wretched people.
Anyhow, happy camp back on. Content to plod along in the bottom half of the Championship for the next 4-5 years if we are lucky, Keeping pondlife like Waggott in well paid employment as he continues to gut the club, cutting costs and quality until its retirement day and there's nothing left but 6000 fans rattling around Ewood reminiscing about the 80s.
At least the senior pros will enjoy themselves and not get upset at a winner demanding more of them. Maybe one day St Tony will come home and tell them more about what wonderful human beings they all are.
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Pretty sure they are capped at £30 a ticket for any Premier League game
Ipswich are selling season tickets from Monday, starting from £381 an adult. So cheaper than us, in a more affluent region, and offering a far superior product, despite 'not knowing what league they are going to be in'
How is that possible Waggott?
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Probably instructed to do so by Waggott and shadow man. Blame the external factors, never hold those inside the club responsible for our failings.
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This is what you tend to find with the better managers with burning ambition to succeed and quickly.
JDT was never here to plod along for years on end (unlike his predecessor). He was here to be successful, and quickly, and had the club supported him in his quest he would have got us into the play-offs and who knows where we'd be now.
I think it is inevitable that when such a character goes into a club and injects a winning mentality into a group accustomed to the old uncle Tony 'arm around the shoulder' routine it will end up upsetting a few.
You hear about this sort of stuff with Mourinho, Van Gaal and other world class coaches - they go in somewhere, immediately and ruthlessly deliver improvement and usually success, and then afterwards you get some players grumbling about them or not happy with how things went.
Too much of a happy camp down there and has been for years. From the 'right good go' days of Bowyer to the 'we don't want a double promotion we want to stabilise in the Championship' uncle Tony.
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The party line is 'human error'. That's what they are all saying because it is the only thing they can think up other than admitting that the problem lies in India, which will see immediate dismissal.
Of course it wasn't human error. Once and that might be believable, but to happen at least 3 times in a year and coincidentally only on the potential expensive / cash buys coming in and not on the frees, loans and sales, says it all.
There would never have been 'human error' on signing off the Adam Wharton cash bonanza coming in, that's for sure.
Liars the lot of them.
I've got no axe to grind with Broughton. I suspect he is well intentioned and would want to be successful here. But like so many before him he has fallen foul of a sham, a con, a facade of a normal well intentioned ambitious football club but scratch ever so slightly at the surface and the rotten reality becomes clear. He would be wise to plan his exit ASAP. It would be career suicide to remain here, only those with no ambition or no prospect of higher/better employment elsewhere would stick around here, hence being run by the lowlife we are.
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14 minutes ago, Hasta said:
I know this is done to death, but Leeds fans get overcharged as category A+ games everywhere they go. Even. couple a years ago we introduced a special category to charge them £40 at Ewood !
Therefore following discussions with their fans, Leeds agreed to offer all clubs this season the offer of either £21 or £28 tickets at Elland Road if this was reciprocated in the away fixture. We decided not to take them up on this in order to charge then £30. Therefore look back at Ewood for the blame on that one.
What is shitty by Leeds is that it appears the tickets have to be fixed at £21 or £28 and discounted to one of those prices for the reciprocal pricing to be agreed. Therefore Rotherham charged them £27 as that's their standard away pricing but, as they didn't discount to £21, they then got charged £45 at Elland Road. That's nonsense. The argument is if we are discounting tickets to make this work then so should you, but their should be a £25 option as well.
Interestingly it was Ken Bates who moved the away fans at Leeds into the West Stand. Home fans are charged £47 in the West Stand and it is EFL rules that states away fans have to be charged the same as home fans for the same seating. Reciprocal pricing is the loophole that allows this to be reduced. I know their EFL brought that rule in to stop away fans being ripped off, but in this instance it's actually doing the opposite. Bates probably knew full well that if away fans didn't take their allocation, the home fans would fill it instead at £47.
Indeed. Away fans were previously housed in the yellow corner at Elland Road which is the worst seating and lowest price. The move to the main stand allows them to charge away fans top prices.
They also aren't bothered if away fans don't buy tickets because they can allocate the bottom area to home fans if take up is low and will sell out when top of the league.
I expect similar at Leicester where they will either be celebrating promotion or in need of a win to go up. They'll want Rovers fans in low numbers so they can give extra seats to the home fans, who will pay anything for such an occasion. So expect £35+ for that one too.
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Even with Rovers' 'subsidy' it's still £35 a pop at Leeds for an early tv game, and still £5 more than their fans had to pay at Ewood.
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There's not a chance they'll bin shadow man off. He's in their circle and has been from the start. They didn't get rid of him when we went down last time and that relegation followed him interfering in things by getting rid of Bowyer and then big budget cuts. If anything his power has only grown over time, the only interruption to that being when Mowbray went out to India and struck up a direct relationship with the top brass out there.
I imagine shadow man was quite happy to see the back of Mowbray and his power, and much prefers a situation where he is the one and only link to India and all decisions have to go through him before the owners will even hear about them.
Waggott would probably be encouraged to bring forward his retirement with a golden pay-off for his service but good grief, at pushing 70 and based in Kent you have to ask why a bloke in his position would carry on with what we are led to believe is such a tough, important, thankless job. Yet just with politicians they defy usual norms and seemingly want to continue in such positions long beyond normal retirement age.
Almost as though the job isn't actually that tough or that the perks that come with it are just too good to turn down.
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A fairly pointless and uninspiring interview whereby just about everything Broughton says is caveated.
"We already have clear plans of what we are trying to do" - that doesn't mean those plans will be followed or accepted by upstairs
"I have been told that it won't impact our transfer business going into the summer" - being told something doesn't mean shit especially at Ewood Park
"A geopolitical challenge" aka being investigated by authorities for illegal activities
"Hopefully have the squad to come out of the summer in a better position", hopefully isn't good enough for me.
What we can see here is a clear divergence between Broughton and the 'others'. Like JDT before him he is using the media to show those who can read between the lines where the real responsibility and decision making lies and it isn't with him. He can do all he can but it is meaningless if the board and owners don't follow it, which they won't because they don't care what the underlings think, they'll just do whatever it is they fancy doing from one window to the next.
If they're in a tight spot or short on cash they'll reduce the squad to rubble without a second's thought. If they're interested or having fun they'll ignore huge bids for out of contract players.
I don't blame Broughton, it seems to me he has been brought here to do a job that is now impossible to perform, working for liars and charlatans who have made it mission impossible.
Think back to last season, a hair's breadth from the playoffs and FA Cup semi final, bright ambitious young manager, bright good young squad.
Could that have been more comprehensively demolished, wrecked, undermined and undone in the space of 6-9 months? I doubt a dingle paid to deliberately ruin the club could have done more to wreck us than our great 'well meaning' owners and board.
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Ipswich had the fortune to be taken over by a group of people with a plan and ambition, Americans who have come in to get a return on their investment, and they've already started to do that by selling a share of the club for big money.
This all runs contrary to the negative elements of the fanbase who wish to convince themselves and others that we have no such option, that there is no alternative for this club than to exist as a decaying rotting husk under Venkys forever.
People call me negative yet I believe there is a better brighter alternative to the awful people that own and manage us today, whereas those who refuse to countenance such a possibility and resort to name calling and the rest rather than open their eyes to the possibility of a better future.
Absolutely no sympathy towards the owners and board who have created the injury issues themselves. Ironic that they'll be moaning about absences if Buckley is out when we fired him off to Sheffield Wednesday not long ago supposedly surplus to requirements and we have our captain who will be sat on his backside cheering on his Ipswich team-mates from the stands on Friday due to further Rovers nonsense.
You reap what you sow.
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34 minutes ago, tomphil said:
All this 'needs approval from India' stuff that gets blamed for everything i'm thinking now it's just a smoke screen.
Shadowman and Waggot get the budget then run the club their way whilst trying to bother the owners as little as poss in order to get their own brownie points.
A real comfortable number as long as ..
lights are kept on.
Costs are cut.
You don't bother the owners unless you have to.
It's probably been these two all along that have zero ambition for anything other than their own wages. Take no risks, push for nothing unless asked or told and just exist in the twilight zone, getting to close to the spotlight then draw your horns in again.
Largely agreed although I think the 'big' deals like O'Brien and McGuire - where the wage bill needs stretching or cash needs putting up beyond the set summer budget - requires their special permission and authorisation.
Owners set a budget in the summer, Waggott and shadow man left to get on with it. This will cover the essential costs and they have permission to reinvest a percentage of money generated so long as the wage bill comes down.
Either permission for extra spending is too slow to come through, they don't agree to it or Waggott and shadow man don't even ask them not wanting to cause any turbulence it's fundamentally getting permission from India to do something that is the issue.
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He's unfit to be CEO at any normal, sensible, stable football club.
Oh yeah, he never has been.
Distressed, mismanaged, failing clubs are his business. Charlton, Coventry, Southend, Gillingham, Rovers. Odd that he keeps ending up at such failing organisations yet never gets a job at a stable organisation.
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When anyone worries themselves about promotion and relegation it would be useful to remember this sort of thing. Whilst we are now fighting to preserve our Championship status the CEO and shadow man are scurrying like rats in the shadows trying to find new ways of getting players out and off the wage bill. Even going behind the manager's back and undermining him in the process.
They're not here to do any good by BRFC. Promotion, relegation, progress, growth, improvement - never on the agenda with this lowlife scum. They're paid to do one thing and one thing only.
We need shut of the lot of them and this club will never improve or prosper until they are history.
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2 hours ago, 47er said:Nobody on earth could believe we messed it up in the last seconds three times within a single year.
This is Venkys pretending to support the club, while making this once-proud Club look ridiculous and forcing others to take the blame. Absolutely despicable.
Fully agree.
This is Venkys in action.
All the work and preparation is done and sorted by those on the ground at Ewood / Brockhall.
Final sign off / approval needed from India - either doesn't come or comes too late and they don't have authority to press 'go'.
Deal collapses, everyone looks rather stupid, fans in uproar, media asking questions, laughing stock of the game.
What to do?
Tell the truth - that Venkys are to blame and can't be contacted? No chance, that's a sackable offence at Rovers, and a sure fire way to ensure you are unemployable in football
So instead make up some cock and bull nonsense about admin errors and the rest. All a clear ploy to confuse and lay the blame anywhere but India.
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12 minutes ago, arbitro said:
I was told last night that on the last day of the window Pasha and Waggott arranged a loan deal for a player Tomasson rated behind his back. Tomasson got wind of this and asked the player who told him it was true but he was of the understanding that Tomasson had agreed to it. Tomasson went ballistic at those two and went to town on them, it was said to me that it was the straw that broke the camel's back. Being the cowards that are they were scared they would be called out in his press conference the day before the QPR game and stopped him doing it. This ties in with the 'ask Steve and Pasha' comment after the QPR game.
And Broughton knew nothing of this scurrilous deal.
I was told the name of the player but it would be unfair to name him.
These kind of slippery underhand maneouvurings are no surprise at all to me. I'm convinced that a number of Mowbray's signings were arranged without his input or involvement.
Why though, if Tomasson rated the player, would they be so sneaky about it?
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1 hour ago, OldEwoodBlue said:
So our average gate is actually less than it was 10 years ago at this same level.
Meanwhile just about everyone else has enjoyed significant increases of several thousand.
A crisis for the long term health of the club and its fanbase. Created by negligent owners and their underlings. Assisted by those supporters who focus their energies on the 80s and comparing numbers to those days.
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We charged Bristol fans £20 when they came to Ewood in December. So Rovers' away fans getting rinsed again. Just like we will at Leeds soon when they charge upwards of £40 for a televised game substantially more than we charged their fans at Ewood.
Eventually the penny might drop at Rovers that the way to deal with this is charge other clubs what they charge us, and offer proper discounts to Rovers fans who sign up to be members.
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10 years ago gates at Ewood were averaging over 14,000 and that was a reasonable figure at the time by Championship levels. Certainly similar ball park to most.
For example - 2014/15 our average gate was 14,900 or so, which over the season was more than Huddersfield, Wigan, Blackpool, Millwall, Brentford, Bournemouth and Rotherham, it was also similar to Bolton (15,400), Birmingham (16,100), Watford (16,600), Charlton (16,700) and Reading (17,000)
Not game changing numbers behind Fulham (18,000), Middlesbrough (19,000) and Ipswich (19,600)
So basically 2/3 of the league was at or similar numbers to ourselves.
Of course that's inconvenient to the doom mongers and self-pity brigade of which that bloke in California is one, doesn't fit the narrative of little old Rovers struggling to compete. Fortunately now the numbers are looking better for them because there has been an explosion in gates across the EFL which Rovers have managed through suicidal policies to do the complete opposite to, leaving us down at the very bottom of the League and with numbers that are perfect ammunition for the pro-Venky mob to use to their advantage.
Another reason for us slipping down that table is that two of those clubs have gone on to get promoted - Brentford, Bournemouth - to the Premier League, despite having significantly lower numbers than us turning up to watch. Amazing that. Almost as though having tiny grounds and hardly any fans is irrelevant to success. It actually comes down to competent management and investment, neither of which have been seen here for a very long time.
BTW, investment isn't paying your bills on time. Investment is actually going above and beyond the essential bare minimum.
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Rowett a strong option for a struggling side.
Birmingham owners a bit clueless with the Rooney thing but like most will take drastic action where required to try and save their Championship status.
You compare to what has happened here this season and in 2017 where relegation is practically invited by the owners.
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1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:
Won't be this week as LT reporter Elliott Jackson is on holiday in the USA so I guess it will be next week
So communication with the fanbase now relies on the holiday arrangements of the Telegraph reporter?
Broughton could convene a press conference and invite local media. Telegraph's job to find someone else to send or miss out.
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26 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:
Everyone should keep a copy of this statement close to hand in case there is no change to the current situation. The Club and owners will have hung themselves by their own petard should that turn out to be the case.
Simple solution to that little problem....blame the boogeyman or in our case good old FFP.
Owners are doing all they can, desperate to invest etc. but it just isn't fair because our low crowds and FFP make it impossible
(Please ignore the £30 million from player sales and the crumbling infrastructure not constrained by FFP)
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Next instalment is "the owners are committed....are you?" when Waggott puts up season ticket prices in May.
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As is now the usual way of it Waggott is prompted into releasing a hasty and poorly drafted 'statement' purporting to be from/on behalf of the Owners only after a major development occurs and confusion and speculation runs rampant for 5-6 days.
If this genuinely came from the owners and they genuinely wanted to communicate they would have released a statement setting out exactly what the issue in India is and would have released it promptly rather than doing nothing for days on end then coming up with this drivel.
If you believe the owners have had any input into this beyond their dogsbody giving it the once over before it went onto the website I think you are deluded.
This is just the latest attempt by Waggott to portray this as business as usual. I'm not buying it.
I find it frankly disgusting that the 'statement' is used once again by Waggott as an attempt to thank the owners for their input, bizarrely referencing Covid, now 4 years ago, as an issue or excuse.
Strikes me as a desperate bid by a lackey to take action to divert building anger away from India. Probably caused by him hearing the Venkys song at MIddlesbrough on Saturday.
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Steve Waggott
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Waggott is the human manifestation of Venkys.
Inadequate, incompetent, untrustworthy, out of his depth, embarrassing
Should be nowhere near running a professional football club, definitely not one in the second tier of English football
Yet here he is. And until he's gone along with his disgusting bosses we are only going one way.