but it could be that Rangers have been warned that we would be unable to make the payment, and so think they can do this deal at a price we'd be forced to accept.

If that was the case I doubt we would be spending £3mil on Savage.

TDI, I feel that that is spin-doctoring that would put Alistair Campbell to shame.

How can you admire the bottle of one of our own players in handing in a transfer request? He never showed any bottle on the park and he hasn't shown any here by scuttling off to a poorer league because he can't hack it here. Let's face it, he's been upstaged by far greater talents, and hasn't responded to the challenge.

As for finding out the real reasons for the transfer request, we'll simply never know, we just have to use our intuition.

Maybe I haven't made myself clear Bryan.

If the reason for wanting to return is exclusively family related, then he has shown great courage to hand in a request. However, if the reason is because he feels he can't hack it at Premiership level and wants to return to the comfort zone, then yes, he deserves the flack.

I am niether defending or attacking the guy at this point (he is still a Rovers player). I prefer to reserve my thoughts until I know more.

And BTW I believe the reasons for a move will become apparent after the event.

The one problem with his leaving because of the familly is that he said in the last month that he and his familly were happy here. Shame he was honest at that point if family is the real reason.

If there's a chance we might get more than the £4m he's "really" worth, why shouldn't we take it? As the selling club our goal is to get the most money possible, regardless of what he's ACTUALLY worth. Nothing wrong with setting the asking price at £6m+ and just wait. If Rangers really want him, they'll up their £3m bid. I doubt we'll get £6m+, but £5m isn't out of the question.

I'm not saying that we shouldnt start of by asking more than hes worth. That should be standard practice. My point is that we shouldnt hold out for far more than hes worth and accept nothing else.

I would slap an asking price of £8.5m on the basis that his original price was £7.5m and he is a better player now than he was at Rangers.

But we overpaid for him to begin with. He is still worth the 4 mil that he was when we bought him.

Well I'd suggest you quite quickly p1ss off back there then. And take Ferguson with you.

Ooooh, you are so friendly here , and from admin as well.

Ferguson was an average player if we paid 4mil for him. He is now worth 3-4 mil and wants to leave. If we hang onto him till the summer we will have paid him nigh on £0.75 mil in salary.

We have to look to move on and be sensible on our baluation and not do a Birmingham.

Ferguson in today's market is worth about the same as he was worth when we bought him. £3- £3.5 million.

Glad to see some sense in his valuation.

We therfore whould sell him as close to his REAL value.

We want more than that!!!

Yeah, but few clubs are as bad as we have been for overpaying for players.

Please think before you type, there have been lot's of white elephants at many clubs, the big clubs too. It's just that the big clubs just get rid, get someone else and keep winning so it all seems to be "glossed over" somewhat.

The other reason I prefer a certain other forum to this one. You dont get sarcasm on here.

It's very naive to assume we deserve to get back for Ferguson what we paid. As well as the realisation that Souness miscalculated on a player's Premiership ability (yet again) and paid over the odds, there's also the matter of depreciation. The contract has less time to run and I cant see that Ferguson is a drastically improved player from when he arrived.

He has been poor quality for our investment but his departure (hopefully replaced by Savage) will be another step in Rovers transition from being Souness' team to Hughes' team, which has been 100% positive so far.

As for Ferguson, his commitment to Rovers on the pitch has not convinced in recent weeks. The running and willingness shown by the likes of Thommo, Gally, Dickov & Emerton, who all clearly want to play for Hughes/Rovers, has put that of our so-called 'captain' to shame. If he plays for us again, look out for him at throw-ins. He will often be the nearest man to the throw but very rarely moves to receive it and often actively holds back. When we have looked for someone to spur us on in recent weeks the man to deliver has been Todd, Thommo or Dickov - never Captain Shortarse Average-at-best Ferguson.

Get real. Parker Will not leave Chelsea for a club like us. Its just the sort of peron he is and he probably like sthe bright lights of London too much. Plus he is similarly over rated to Feguson so we would overpay yet again.

I think we can comfortably let the window close without him gone if we don't get our asking price, whatever that may be.

True but what do we gain? If he trulty wants to leave he wont put his all in for the club adn will probably be on the bench with Savage and Thommo starting.

Hes probably is on 30k a week, that will be about £750k in slary we would pay him before we have a chance to sell him again. That has to be considred as well.

I didn't say we didn't have to consider his transfer request. Nor do I want a player on our books who wants to leave but we can still hold out for the highest price. We shouldn't just bow to Rangers (or whoever) because he wants to leave for pity's sake!

There may yet be a bidding war. Expect at least a week of speculation before anything is agreed.

Yes, we can hold out for the biggest price. But that price can only be a realistic valuation. You cannot hold out for more than a player is worth (in comparison toi similar players on the market or have been sold) just beacuase you overpaid for him.

We therfore whould sell him as close to his REAL value.

We want more than that!!!

Yeah, but few clubs are as bad as we have been for overpaying for players.

I will be disappointed if we don't get at least our £6.5m back.

Why? Do you honestly believe he is worth that?

Whether or not he's worth that is immaterial - the club are in a strong bargaining position and if Rangers want him that badly, they'll find the money (if indeed it's Rangers that Barry's wanting to go to and not Newcastle...).

I do not want a player playing for us if he doesnt want to and has handed in a transfer request. We therfore whould sell him as close to his REAL value. No matter how badly Rangers may want him they will not be as stupid as we were and really overpay for him.

We are not in a strong bargaining position as we have a player who wants to leave. That means we have to consider it. It will harm the team otherwise.

I I also dont care where he wants to go to. I just want shot of the vastly overated prat of a Scottish Captain.

£24!!!!!  Get Bent!

PR and business disaster.

 

I feel its sightly on the high side but you have to remember that Cardiff have approval on the price. Have paid similar for similar matches but between lower league teams.

I will be disappointed if we don't get at least our £6.5m back.

Why? Do you honestly believe he is worth that?

Grrr.

If we let him go for anything less than 6m (as well as spending 3m+ on Savage) I will seriously consider whether I want to keep on spending my hard earned cash on season tickets when they just keep flushing it down the drain. The whole thing sickens me.publically encouraging him to start a rebellion.

Its commenst like this that make me realise why I havent posted on BRFCS.com. You onviously are not a true fan.

Also, on what planet is Feguson worth anywhere near £6mil. Yes hes a better player than when we bought him but we overpaid by at least 50% for him.

Us wanting £6mil is like Birmingham wanting £5mil for Savage.

we want at least 5 mil for him weve made him a beter player. furness get some work done!

We may have made him a better player yet he is still only worth 3-5 mil. He is not that good. The sooner we dump him the quicker we move on.