7 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

Ultimately, if we stick with what JDT was doing, we will get relegated.

For me, it's more about a Head Coach that didn't want to be here. It was obvious from his interviews from the last year or more that he wasn't happy and seemingly wanted to be elsewhere. That has to be the biggest effect on players more than tactics and philosophy.

If your manager isn't committed, why should you be?

Just now, bigbrandjohn said:

JDT was angling for a clean exit with his brand intact. He has achieved that. 

Really?

For one, he left us in 18th position. We can can talk about other factors, but he was a big part of that.

More importantly, I wonder how many of those at executive or board level will look at JDT's interviews and think positively of him. I have a feeling he might be someone that many clubs would steer clear of.

57 minutes ago, KentExile said:

Nothing been announced about injuries, Normally JDT gives a weekly update but think he has had a busy week six months organising his escape from the madhouse

You stand corrected. 🙂

Just now, Crimpshrine said:

I have nothing against Eustace at all - a reasonable appointment and I am hoping he is a massive success- but it really hasn't lifted the gloom for me.

Amidst all the cloud of what is going on, Eustace would seem like a good appointment that has merit behind it.

I remember when Lambert was appointed. I was over the moon because it looked like a real turning point - that Venkys had finally got their shit together and were going to put a manager at the helm with good pedigree (at the time) and put some funding behind it. It was a real statement appointment. Irvine also arrived with Premier League management experience. There was a third former Premier League manager in there somewhere but the name escapes me.

It took two months to unravel. Lambert had clearly been sold a promising vision and, specifically, funds, which never came about. He was fairly forthright in his public interviews in a similar vain to Tomasson's numerous public dissatisfaction with those above him at the club. All of the detail may be different, but it's just the same result of a "project" that never came to fruition due to the owners in one way or another.

So we're going over old ground, except this time it took a year and a half to do it instead of two months. That part is depressing. It also tells you that a manager with serious ambition simply cannot work out at this club as things stand. Ultimately, both Lambert and Tomasson saw us either no better off or worse off, points-wise, than we were before. Partially due to them, but I would have to say partially due to their response to the bigger picture. I really think the pair of them gave up once it was clear the "vision" had gone, and we suffered on the pitch.

Most of us will trudge on as Rovers supporters. It's ingrained in a way. I keep thinking of packing in, but through all of the chaos these owners have put us through, I still can't go without Rovers. Sort of mad, isn't it? But I'm sort of stuck.

1 hour ago, wilsdenrover said:

What made them check at 11:04??

Well it's just what we've always done.

14 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

poor eustace is inheriting a squad so small and weedy that (1) it can play only one way, (2) there is no point in trying to change until he gets his own players in (good luck with that!!),it`s a poisoned chalice for him

(1) Apparently it couldn't.

(2) Yes we bloody well should or we're heading to League One.

2 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

Assuming we'll have some kind of poll on here if JDT goes and Eustace isn't named immediately.

Who we thinking is a possibility? (Disclaimer - I'm just chucking names out there, not who I'd go for)

John Eustace

Paul Heckingbottom

Pep Lijnders

Scott Parker

Gareth Ainsworth

Alex Neil

Gary Rowett

Frank Lampard

Mark Hughes

Wayne Rooney

Nigel Pearson

David Wagner

Steve Cooper

 

I can't see Robbie Fowler on this list. 😡

Is Waggott aware that the supporters' issues aren't with the players?

✅Put five miserable and dejected players in front of supporters.
✅Go home and scratch arse.

Am I missing the point of this meeting?

Which Duncan will be at the club in the next week or two?

1. Duncan McGuire
2. Duncan Ferguson

I don't generally agree with the head in the sand stuff from what's said in certain certain quarters, either.

I'm truly sorry to say this, but if ever there was a thread highlighting how unwelcome this place has become, this is it. This forum had a field day with Jim Wilkz or whatever his name was for screen-shotting posts from here, pointing and laughing at them, and calling them stupid on Twitter. What you're doing here is really no better.

I'm sure I'll be told to "bugger off then", but the bigger and sadder part is that while certain people call for fan unity, it looks like it's just a buzz-line and we'll start slinging mud at each other again.

Joyful times ahead.

Just now, Ossydave said:

Did the club update us when all the Obrien fuck ups were going on and the subsequent appeals etc? Genuinely can't remember now. Or was it just updates from Rich Sharpe?

If I recall, the club said they would appeal shortly after deadline day. And that was it until O'Brien was finally and fully rejected in March, by which time I don't think anybody really cared.

6 minutes ago, Groundhog said:

Why has JDT gone from "ask gregg" to suddenly "ask steve and sunhail"?

This is when Tomasson was asked about the McGuire deal. It's widely reported that the Board blockaded the permanent deal, and I presume that will have been communicated to Waggott and Shaikh who are probably the only conduits between the Board and the employees and contractors (Broughton and Tomasson).

Whether or not it was said in the sense of Broughton having already gone from the club, we won't know until the fallout of this repetitive saga.

24 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

They won't sack him because it costs money; I wish he would walk away today 

Tomasson would have to recompense the club for breaking his contract. It works both ways.

Unless, of course, the pair come to a settlement (mutual termination) to terminate the contract. Looks like that's not happening.

Now the club has a loose cannon on their hands, all of their own making.

2 minutes ago, SBlue said:

Competent at short term freebies, cheap loans, and sales though.

But not competent for an £80k long-term highly rated young midfielder? But competent for a £500k long-term highly rated young defender?

Doesn't stack up. I'd be amazed if there was any truth at all in it. There has been very little rhyme or reason to Venkys ownership of the club, and money of theirs pissed up the wall for 13 seasons solid. I suppose I can understand why people would think it's deliberate, now that it's happened three times in the space of a year, but I just think it's more of the same incompetence.

Nothing can be ruled out, I suppose, so maybe it will all come out in the wash one day.

There's a chocolate teapot orbiting Earth. I don't believe that, but I can't rule it out.

There are people within Ewood deliberately scuppering paperwork on deadline day to stop the club from spending money. I don't believe that, but I can't rule it out.

OK. Lesson over. Maybe wool is being pulled over our eyes in some regards, but gaslighting or being passive-aggressive to those who don't believe a speculative narrative won't win them over.

10 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

So a loan-to-buy (with a multi-million £ commitment) has failed to go through twice in twelve months when we've been suffering under financial problems due to the Venky's tax fraud... and you don't think someone at the club is deliberately sabotaging deals?

Ok. 

If I had to guess how this went down - Broughton set up the original transfer for McGuire. It got to Pune and they said "no, you can't spend any of the Wharton money". He then tries to rescue the deal (and get around that stipulation) with a loan-to-buy for the summer and generates the loan fee by selling Ennis. Obviously then someone in India says "no", but it's too late and the deal is already in motion... so they have to sabotage the paperwork AGAIN.

I don't think we paid a loan fee for the French CB or Ayari. We're literally dealing exclusively in freebies and free loans. The Venkys do not know if the Indian government will ever let them put any money in again - that Wharton transfer fee is going to be swallowed up in running costs as we all predicted.

I can believe that we set up these loan to buy deals with little intention to purchase, even if the loans go well. I can believe that we're quickly gaining a reputation of being a waste of time to deal with when it comes to deadline day deals at the death, or loans with an option to buy.

George Hirst was an earlier example of a loan with an option to buy. It was reported that the option to purchase last summer was £5m.

Lewis O'Brien was reportedly an obligation to buy at £10m if we earned promotion. So, although that was an obligation to make the purchase, being promoted would have certainly softened the blow. You can imagine that, somehow, the Board would have tried to wriggle their way out of it.

For Duncan McGuire, I cannot see us spending £6m on him in summer, even if the EFL approve his loan move today.

All of that, I believe.

But your story about a conspiracy to scupper the deals from somebody inside the club just does not stack up. Consider Ethan Brierley, which you've conveniently skipped. The fee was reported to be £80k, and yet we messed up the paperwork for that, too. At the same time, we paid a hefty loan fee for Sorba Thomas. We also made a permanent signing for a fee in Connor O'Riordan. Why wasn't that deal scuppered? Is your angle here that somebody is being instructed, on deadline day, to save the club some money by scuppering paperwork? Do you think Silvester is suddenly in league with somebody? If so, who?

Deadline day, three lots of failed filing of paperwork and, as much as some of you won't want to hear it, Gregg Broughton, are the common denominators of failing to get signings over the line at the death. I simply don't buy that the cause of that is a club gremlin popping it's head up on deadline to scupper the deals. I accept that there have been shady things in the last 13 years, none of which we can prove but only speculate on, but we've had 13 constant years of absolute wasters down at Ewood. It's a culture of incompetence and complacency. That, to me, is the simplest, most glaring, and therefore most likely reason we make schoolboy errors like this on deadline day.

12 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

Probs Greggy having a nice Italian with him.....got to show them a good time ..🤝

More like a cheese butty badly wrapped in cellophane, a jammy Wagon Wheel, and a small bottle of Panda pop on the go.

Just now, RoversClitheroe said:

Why would JDT point at Suhail and Waggott?

My suspicion is that it's more to do with the pulling of the permanent arrangement by the Board rather than the paperwork fiasco.

Had the Board not pulled the cash for the permanent transfer, I suspect we'd have seen McGuire feature in the game on Saturday. As it happens, one chaotic event is enough to lead to a disaster. Tomasson will have bigger grievances about that than other issues at the club.

As always, the chaotic nature of the owners and the Board are the biggest problems at the club before you get to the competence levels of their employees.

If there's one thing that is being said that I will never believe, it's the conspiracy stuff. That somebody in the club is sabotaging paperwork, or willing us to go to League One (we were in it, so why didn't we stay there?).

I know the club seems like a total mess, but don't go insane. The simplest, most believable, and most evidenced reason for everything that has gone on at the club is incompetence from top to bottom.

1 minute ago, K-Hod said:

Probably because you slag off GB and Waggott a lot more than you do the owners, would be my guess.

In fairness, Waggott and Broughton are two of the biggest visible problems as part of the bigger problem that is the owners. It's just that we see their actions far more closely than we see anything from the owners. The owners simply don't seem to notice incompetence down at the club. If Suhail is supposed to be the eyes and ears of the owners, then I'm afraid he's both deaf and blind.

51 minutes ago, BankEnd Rover said:

Surely you don’t believe he was at fault for all 3?? He’s been fed to the wolves.

Broughton stated that he takes full responsibility for all footballing matters at the club, including transfers. It didn't need saying, really, because that's the remit of a Director of Football. While we think it's admirable for him to front up and admit accountability, and while he wasn't the one who actually filed the paperwork last year, he either needed to bin off the incompetent people at the club who were filing it, or fix it and be all over it like shit to a blanket. He said he'd do the latter. It didn't work. He needs to go.

We can talk about others at the club all day long, but as much as people feel Broughton is a good and honest bloke, if he can't do the job, then like others we often talk about, he shouldn't be at Blackburn Rovers Football Club.

The problem is that we'll replace him with someone else that's just as incompetent.

Taking Broughton in isolation, he should have gone after last January. Let's not make a martyr out of somebody who has overseen the same schoolboy error three times in the space of a year. He's the Director of Football. Not an intern learning on the job. A professional outfit wouldn't have let those shenanigans go, and here we are again with the same thing one year on.

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

It must be either CEO or Club Secretary surely?

Yes, I'd expect it to be somebody employed (Broughton would be my guess) rather than somebody contracted. We've already seen the report that the club wanted Tomasson to pay up his contract if he broke it, so a resignation would surely be an employee where there are no financial motives involved.

If he left this morning then he could have been on today's 10.30am flight. Could be half way back to Orlando as we speak.

The next time he comes to England, it probably won't be to Blackburn.