Well I said I’d report back but there’s really not a lot to report. Lost 2-0, dreadful performance by Chile and BBD did nothing of note, looked pretty lost up front and failed to read his team-mates’ play (and at times vice versa). Hooked on 77’ which was at least 20 minutes after I’d have taken him off…

Chile’s qualification hopes looking very grim now, this is a poor team compared to recent years. The atmosphere on Sunday against Paraguay will be interesting if they go behind..

1-0 down at half time.. being played as something of a target man but seen very little of the ball. Not really taking up the right positions either tbh

9 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

Its probably the biggest turnaround I've ever seen following Rovers. Two years ago he was abject, really poor, now he's our best player and the Championship too scorer.

Why that is is quite hard to figure out. He's not really playing in any substantially different way. Just seems more confident, and he is physically stronger than he was, and getting in the box.

Seems like a classic case of a young player growing into himself and discovering his confidence. Good on him, it takes guts if things don’t go well at first.

On 19/06/2021 at 00:34, PotterLog said:

Hello all. Thought I'd register on here tonight as I'm a Stoke fan living in Chile for the past 15 years, following the local football all that time through thick and thin, completely bewildered by the fact that a kid who grew up about 3 miles from me in Stoke-on-Trent is now playing and scoring for the national team and is a complete fucking sensation on Chilean social media. Absolutely bizarre.

Genuinely a bit emotional about him scoring earlier for some weird reason. I've got Chilean friends, neighbours, acquaintances here sending me memes and articles about him all over the place. There was a short documentary piece about him on one of the major news channels the other night. What a story. Good lad Ben. Let's see how he gets on in the rest of the tourny. It's certainly added a bit of interest in these parts.

Anyway, hello. 😉 
 

Alright Rovers, just thought I’d check back in again here ahead of tonight’s game, which I’d have thought BB will be starting.

From a Champo point of view he’s on fire eh? Last time I was on here the reviews of his performances and place in the team were very lukewarm and a lot of the talk about his call-up basically related to how much more you could sell him for - understandably so, he’d hardly set the world on fire there. Presumably that’s changed a bit? From the outside it seems the Chile experience really was the making of him.. I’ll look forward to seeing him in our fixture at the end of November.

Anyway here in Chile he continues to be a mini-sensation and him being back with the squad after missing the last qualifiers is a big boost, he’s incredibly popular with the fans and you can tell with the squad as well. I’ll be watching the game tonight and keeping a close eye on him, I shall endeavour to report back…

27 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

brazil,spain 1982 world cup were absolutely brilliant,zico,eder,socrates and falcoa the holy quartet ran rings around everybody,unfortunately it was their undoing,as they forgot about defending😪

i agree on the whole brazilian style,they don`t produce anyone like kaka,ronaldinho,ronaldo,romario or bebeto etc anymore

Neymar had that magic as a young player, the playing the game for the love of it, the taking on a player one too many times just for the hell of it. But it's been mostly coached out of him now, and the stats probably show that he is a more effective - to use a fittingly utilitarian adjective - player for it.

I don't think it's so much that they don't produce players like that any more, it's just there generally seems to be less and less room in today's ultra-athletic, tactics-ruled game for those types of maverick creative players.

5 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Back in the day you could tell it was a Brazilian team just by their way of playing. Nobody played like they did although Peru ran them close for style at times, especially when Cubillas and co were playing. Now they look just the same as any other team.

Tony Field ? Think of an Alan Armstrong who could dribble around people.

Yeah I've been thinking the same thing. There's no real magic about Brazil any more, notwithstanding the fact they're easily the best team in this tournament. Even with Neymar they're really just another ultra-drilled, high-pressing, ball-recycling, play-through-the-lines elite team. Kind of dull.

2 hours ago, LordBaltimore said:

Interesting.  It always seems like there are more south americans in English football but that prob has to do with some distorted optics out of the top premiere league teams recruiting big flashy names.  It feels like every team has a token brazilian.

Yeah watching this Brazil team is like watching a Premier League XI, it's weird. That's a pretty recent thing though.

56 minutes ago, LordBaltimore said:

Can someone clear up how exactly to pronounce his lastname? 

I have heard it pronounced both the way it is spelled, "BRE-re-ton" and I have heard the player himself pronounce it "BRE-ton", omitting the middle syllable.  I understand there are strong regional & social differences in pronounciation around England.  But is Ben Diez's pronounciation of his own surname regional or would everyone in England pronounce it "BRE-ton"?  

2 syllables, the first rhyming with "air". The thing is the way "air" (and bear, and hair etc) is pronounced is very dependent on accent and origin. In the UK we generally don't enunciate the /r/ phoneme in those kind of words, so it just sounds like Breeh-ton. In the US they'd pronounce it very differently (probably even chuck an extra syllable in)

4 minutes ago, yellowsubmarine said:

Wow, when will Brereton be back for us then? Wont he be burnt out. Doubt we will see him much for pre-season or even the first month of the season?

There's a month between the CA final and the start of the Champo. And anyway if they have Brazil next round as seems likely, he'll be home a lot earlier 😉

2 hours ago, LordBaltimore said:

Terrible game by Chile, deserving their 2-0 loss to Paraguay.  The consensus is that it was the worst game Chile have had in years and certainly in the Lasarte era.  The team couldnt string together 3 passes.  Neither BB or Vargas saw much of the ball but at least Ben Diez got his first yellow card.  Brazil looms in the 2nd round one way or another.  Chile had injuries but that doesnt explain the forgettable display. 

The team has a bye for the last first round game and does not play again for another 9 days.  Due to the horrible training grounds & medical facilities in Brazil, the team will train back in Santiago until 48hrs before their 2nd round game.

1st rule of Chilean football: no matter the era or the quality of the selección, you will always get done by a header from a corner by fukin Paraguay

11 minutes ago, LordBaltimore said:

It is not uncommon.  There doesnt seem to be a large spanish speaking community where he grew up.  The mom, Andrea Díaz, obviously did not speak spanish to Mr Daddy Brereton, so it would have been natural to only speak English.  This is the way it has always been.

It takes some small level of discipline but it’s easy to speak to your kids in your own language, even if you converse with your partner in another. It’s a real wasted opportunity not to IMO.

18 minutes ago, bazza said:

And why has she not spoken Chilean Spanish to her son throughout his life?

I’m genuinely pissed off at her for this 

Several of his teammates (Vargas, Vidal, Medel etc) are in big trouble tonight for breaching Covid regs by inviting someone into the camp. Supposedly a hairdresser but the suspicion is it was more than that. There’s talk of suspensions and fines… the Chilean public have really had enough of this generation of decadent dickhead “superstars” and they want them kicked off the team. They want a new generation, which is partly why they’ve taken to shy, floppy-haired, tattoo-less Ben so warmly.

Big Ben not involved in the shenanigans, which will only serve to enhance his already angelic reputation. 😇🙂