3 hours ago, philipl said:

Absolutely delighted for Adam and feel privileged to have seen him playing at Rovers.

From what I am aware, Adam has triggered the additional payments in the transfer now so Palace will pay GBP23m for him.

There is a 15% of profit clause on him so I think we can be reasonably certain that another GBP10m will come our way and potentially pretty soon. Palace are sure to demand close to GBP100m.

Newcastle are at their FFP limit so could not bid. Everton desperately wanted him but are totally screwed.

By going to Palace he joined a club on the up (4 in the England squad plus almost certainly Mateta will be getting international recognition) AND was certain of starting which wouldn't have been the case at Newcastle.

Adam's first game for Palace included a few mistakes but since then he has looked far more at home in the Premier League than ever he did playing for us. Who would have credited him being statistically the number 1 midfielder in the Prem for tackles and interceptions? But that is where he is.  Huge credit. to JDT and t6he coaching team at Rovers for that.

Finally, had he stayed at Ewood, would he be in the England squad?

 

PS I believe there is a sell on for Kaminsky

  

 

The last bit I agree with totally it's done his career the world of good moving when he did. So as much as I'd of loved him to stay around I can't say it hasn't worked out perfectly for him. Could we have got more? Yeah. But when you look at just in recent seasons the ash Phillips deal and even the Raya one. We never get a good fee. At the time I know it's only the end of January. The fee was reasonable for a player in a struggling championship side with just over a year's first time experience. The fact he's gone on to do so well after moving doesn't change that unfortunately.

1 minute ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

That’s what caught my eye when I first saw him play - he makes the game look ridiculously easy. Always the sign of a class act.

Yeah just so casual on the ball and the way he'd turn and get us up the field. I remember jdt not being 100% convinced at first maybe because of this but when you're that good it doesn't matter how well you train or hard you try.

I like Travis and think he would do much better in this Eustace side then he ever did under jdt. He wasn't exactly pulling up trees at Ipswich and now they've gone up surely they'll aim higher. If they put a decent bid in though it should be considered, as long as it's a big increase on those insults Millwall bid last summer.

Szmodics signed a new deal in November too, as well as the other players mentioned. It just gives the club better leverage although not much since they can just hang a year and sign for nothing.

Just read Wes foderingham is leaving Sheffield United this summer. He's a steady goalkeeper at championship level.

1 hour ago, Ricky said:

Thought he looked poor when they visited us this season. I would have snapped him up a few seasons ago but feel his best days are behind him.

He was arguably the worst keeper I've seen at ewood last season. Alot of that however was down to him being expected to play out. Hes a solid keeper but would be a short term and expensive fix. As much as it pains me I'd rather use the money elsewhere and persevere with pears. 

As for Aaron Connolly at 24 there is certainly a chance of getting a return on any investment. Which as a free transfer you'd imagine the club would be all over. He will still have hopes of getting back to premier league and will hopefully see what Armstrong, Diaz and maybe szmodics have done here and given their career a huge boost. It will all depend on what options he has and what we can offer. But he would certainly be a player we should be looking at.

The problem is there's always going to be a core of supporters who go irregardeless. Even when they went down to league one. Who will pay whatever price because they want to go to the football. Maybe not totally for the football itself but the day out and seeing people they've sat with/near for however long. Slashing the prices even if by quite a bit won't increase sales by that much. Certainly not enough to justify it. They'll sell more yeah but not enough. Plus if they do have more fans that means more staff/security/first aid staff. All of which will eat into that money.

This club is ran (terribly) as a business first and for most. Unless there was a real uptake in attendances, maybe if we were flying and playing good football there might be a slight increase. And that's usually when they do the little offers, like a couple of seasons ago. Say 3 home games in a row for £50 or whatever they were doing. This is the club trying to capitalise on the team doing well. It always annoys me how when we do rarely see a bumper crowd the team never perform and the form falls off meaning the extra fans who maybe took up the offer don't bother returning.

If we dont add and more importantly improve we will go down. And it will be ten times harder second time around. When you think we we're only up against run away winners Wigan and out of nowhere Shrewsbury. As bad as it sounds if dropping down the divisions is what it takes to get rid of the venkys, then i and I guess most fans would welcome it. Start from the bottom and work our way back up but being ran properly.

4 hours ago, ageoftherover said:

Leeds had everything to play for when we beat them at Elland Rd.

Not saying we were certs against Leicester obv, but the truth is, due to Eustaces tactics and the make-up of our squad, we were comparatively better as rank underdogs than we were favorites. That was true under JDT to some degree too.

Also, never like the "if x single event had happened differently the season would have panned out a different way." You could point to loads of examples across the past two seasons that would have swung our points total one way or another. Telalovic missed one I could have scored in the dying moments against Brum that would have made the last match academic. If Hedges hadn't have chipped we might be in the PL. Dozens more we could list. Theres always an element of what if in football. It's not really worth dwelling on too much.

I've said it all season, we are far better without the ball and catching teams on the break (usually better sides) than we are having the ball and building out from the back. Obviously having szmodics running on behind the opposition defence was a big part of that. We always looked fairly solid and at least ajrd to break down, most of the time since Eustace came in. It was the other end we struggled so many of those draws we could've nicked if we had decent options to chip in with szmodics.

Sigurdsson had a good six weeks or so between injuries. Other than that was just as useless as the rest of the forwards, obviously excluding szmodics. We look to have sorted the defensive side out but need players to put the ball in the net to turn those draws into wins. I don't mind playing boring football under Eustace as long as we get results. 

Tyrese Campbell sounds very similar to the Ennis deal last summer. On paper that deal worked out as bad as he was here. Signed for free and sold for a tidy profit six months later. All be it Campbell has been playing at a higher level, he could be a calculated risk. Unfortunately I think he'll get other, more appealing options.

Let's hope this McGuire can get a goal straight away and go on a run. We keep getting strikers who don't score haha. 

If all this is true i hope we go down maybe then a few of those yes men might lose their jobs and these useless fucking owners might lose a few quid. How much more can we as fans take? I'd sooner go bust and start again then carry on like this, just existing because they won't sell up and lose face. 

After the last few January deadline days I'm not going to get my hopes up. Saying that I'll be on here every chance at work tomorrow and praying for a couple of quality signings.

I'm not a massive fan of Dolan but I think he'd do well in that Luton side, they play very wide and direct and although not the quickest he is decent at picking the ball up and getting forward. Even if his end product is not brilliant (yet). I'd say cash in and get a decent return from a free transfer but again we are thin on numbers and he would need replacing. If we can get a similar fee to the kaminski transfer then I'd sell. We'd need someone who can come straight in and do a job.

Hopefully the Wharton move getting done means we can do some business. The absolute worst would've been for this to drag out and him go on deadline day leaving us scrambling. Hoping we have enough time to get a few deals done because our squad definitely needs quality additions.

As much as I'd of loved Adam to stay for longer you can't blame the club or player for accepting the offer. He's only one bad injury or dip in form off never getting a chance at the premier league. If some of the money is used to bring in a couple of decent players, which lets be honest is urgently needed then I'll be happy (not holding my breath). It is a refreshing change from the miserly 2 million we got for ash Phillips. Or the ridiculous 3 million for Raya before him. 

Can see the Gallagher transfer being this January's what if talking point come next summer. Last year it was the O'Brien deal, the year before it was the rothwell money and who we could've got in with that money. I have little faith any money from the sale of Gallagher would be reinvested. As much as it pains me to say I'd rather have him then some money we won't get to spend on a replacement. 

I think Elliot was further along in his development than Moran is even though he was younger. Elliot is brilliant but I thought he'd have progressed more than he has at Liverpool. Moran is good no doubt and better than what we have. Maybe Elliot benefited from the lockdown situation and playing Infront of empty stadiums. Elliot was brilliant here and I was excited when we got Moran. Hopefully he can kick on and produce like he was starting to before the whole squad seem to have had a slump.

I like Moran he's just a little lightweight in an already lightweight team. I think he definitely has the ability to be a good player, just a shame for us he isn't at that level consisitanly yet.

1 hour ago, tomphil said:

Agree o the first bit but second bit is tripe if we are talking about Mowbrays time it was about standard there was zero over achieving.

He was allowed to spend 15 million on forwards over about 12 moths before they shut the vault again but he had enough in his budget annually to bring in guys like Holtby, Downing, Trybull, Tosin, Elliot, etc etc.

We have steadily been getting worse and replacing quality with kids or short term loans. Look at that squad that came up and maybe I'm looking through rose tinted glasses because of the promotion season. You had goals all over the pitch. Dack and Graham were excellent. Mulgrew chipping in with something like ten goals that first season back. We had a genuinely good squad and had goals all over the pitch.

Since then we've been too dependent on first Armstrong, then brererton and now szmodics. We can't keep going like this and not expect it to catch up with us. 

If anybody else in this squad gets more than 7 goals this season I'll be seriously impressed. 

He's shite same as telalovic unfortunately. People talk like they're 18/19 and learning. They're both mid 20s and should be further on by now. Dress it up however you want, take away szmodics goals this season and I dread to think where we would be in the league. We have been overachieving pretty much since we came up from league one. The owners refuse to back the manager. Despite a promising start last season and early this.

We offered more money than Plymouth were willing to. We got him on a free with the potential to sell on for a fee further down the line. It was a calculated risk but I just don't see him ever improving unfortunately. Bear in mind this deal was done very early in the summer before all the budgets got cut, because of the whole Indian tax thing. Knowing what we know now surely the club could've used the wages elsewhere.

23 minutes ago, tomphil said:

So what lured him all the way up here ?

The 10k a week we offered that they wouldn't I'd imagine.

No way any club comes in for him and offers those sort of wages. Best we can hope is a loan away and whoever takes him pays a percentage.