Critical analysis should be mandatory in schools.

Lesson 1: consider the person's motivations and biases

55 minutes ago, iacok said:

Wheres' that?

From their name, I would guess...

Hawkins, Indiana

1 hour ago, arbitro said:

Whilst one of two have said they will wait to see who is appointed I don't believe it's worth your criticism. Everyone has their tipping point and that could come at any time for a whole host of reasons. I effectively boycotted when Kean got another deal after being relegated and when we appointed Coyle. And you know it was difficult not planning and preparing for games, missing some of the people I have met through Rovers but I felt that I just couldn't support what we had done in appointing them imposters. The minute they went I went and bought (along with family and friends) the 'season tickets' they were offering from the time they left. During that period I respected people who went even though I would have liked to have seen many more boycotting to make a bold statement. So for me it's each to their own - none of us have the right to be critical of any fellow fan's when they are following what their conscience tells them.

Every single person who visits this site (or any similar for that matter) should never be critised for not being "fan enough". For what other reason would they put up with reading circa 7,500 posts of absolute tripe, if not because they care about Blackburn Rovers?

Edit: That wasn't aimed at you btw, was just a message on the topic

7 minutes ago, 1864roverite said:

It’s a genuine bit of research not a dig or a slant 

Puts your "behind the scenes improvements" research into a bit of context.

15 minutes ago, Gav said:

I look back to Peterbr away and PNE away more recently where the fans sang the managers name despite him falling short, despite him being unable to take this shit show of a club into the Premiership. 

21 people on social media make little difference in the grand scheme of things. 

The manager deserves better, the fans deserve better.

Venkys Out.

Eh? I have no idea how that is a response to what I said. Have fun with your straw man.

31 minutes ago, PLJPB said:

But surely its the role of the ownership to ensure/enforce accountability?

Not specifically to you because there's been a few responses, but...

I think he means the problem is no one is accountable for performance (on the pitch, financially etc etc), rather than no one "owns" those things. I don't think he's saying that there is no problem with the owners of the club.

In which case he's right, there is no accountability. Not even to the fans. But it's a bit pedantic.

Don't forget, we're punching above our weight this season. Last season was the supposed crescendo of the journey... Where we achieved 6 more points than when we were relegated.

1 hour ago, Mellor Rover said:

There’s a player’s side to this too. If there’s a 0.1% chance you could be fit for Brazil in the Maracana you’d want your club to give you that chance right?

I see this as a win for us, 2 weeks of sun and rehab away from our famed fitness department. Chile want him to be fit, but know if they put him out there they’re playing with 10, because he just isn’t.

I take your point, but he'll get plenty of other opportunities. And if we really don't want him to go and he isn't going to miss any more games by not going, then surely the best thing for us and his fitness is for him to stay put.

25 minutes ago, Mellor Rover said:

I don't think that's anywhere near the truth to be fair JH.

They don't deem him fit enough, they're desperate for results and are giving him to the last minute to prove it. From my understanding we're still weeks away from him playing for us, even the Coventry game will be too soon.

I'm no conspiracy theorist... But in which case, why wouldn't we just say he can't go? He'd only be banned for a game or two he was going to miss anyway.

14 minutes ago, Gav said:

You wouldn't know that first of all and its irrelevant anyway.

That was our deal, take it or leave it and we left it.

Billionaire owners eh........

Who cares? We know the owners are shit. You're just deflecting. Given our players we have been unacceptably bad in 2022.

Edit: scratch that, given 11 men on 5000 square metres of grass

25 minutes ago, Gav said:

On here it is, the fans in ground are fully behind him. 
Read any past match day thread where we never won and you’ll get the picture. 

Everyone who shopped at Debenhams, liked what Debenhams sold.

3 minutes ago, Gav said:

……not sure where this non regular stuff is coming from, I’ve had a season ticket for over 35yrs. I don’t do 40 games a season these days, but if that’s not regular then I’m guilty as charged. 

Results haven’t been average outside these 2 months either, our run started in November, we beat Forest away, Derby away and Sheff Utd home off the top of my head before that.

Not that it's majorly important, but I think both Derby and Forest were bottom of the league when we beat them. And Sheff U at home was in November.

8 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

We have a chance, I dont think we will make the play offs personally but I think our chances would decrease further with the disruption of removing the manager who has done brillliantly to get us to 5th at this insane point in the season.

Everything about that is so depressing.

Getting to 5th midseason isn't brilliant, it's a half-baked cake.
We have a squad that - although the culmination of 5 years of "progress" - isn't actually good enough to get into the playoffs and is being propped up by Mowbray? The man who couldn't get a side good enough to finish in the playoffs, into the top half?

It's so obvious that the extra points in Nov/Dec were flukey, we happened upon a system that worked a bit better than last year's. We always do well in Nov/Dec under TM. We had a chance to take advantage of it, failed in the Jan window (again), and are in our standard "we've been figured out" post Jan slump (again), supplemented by the usual injuries we couldn't foresee. AGAIN. Fool me once and all that.

It will be the same next year, but with even lesser players, fewer points and probably the same manager in the dugout. Just a couple of hundred fewer in the stands clapping along. Tony Mowbray's Blue 'n' White Army.

12 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

No, but I dont think that replacing him and then a new manager would. I think Mowbray has us overachieving where we are.

Top 6 is not par for this team with these resources, it would be a brilliant achievement. If he doesnt manage it then change in the summer.

You're perfectly entitled to that opinion obviously. I just don't think the logic is sound. If you don't think he will get us promoted or we will be relegated without him, then we surely might as well take a free swing.

It won't happen, so it's not important. I just see this kind of thing said all over the place and I can't work it out. Normally as part of a "balance the books", "get behind the lads", "steady the ship" type comment.

11 minutes ago, rovers11 said:

They're good questions. Mowbray is a safe pair of hands and a real steady eddy. He probably won't get us promoted but its unlikely we'd go down him either. His successor could go either way, I don't have any faith in the decision makers at the club. 

I do think there will be a mutual parting of the ways in the summer..

I have no faith either. At any level. But I wouldn't be so sure about the mutual parting of ways. I can't help but feel we've got another few years of this yet.

6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

How we didnt win I do not know, criminal. One sub far too late was not good enough. Buckley needs dropping, absolutely shocking.

Anyone calling for Mowbray to be sacked tonight needs to have a word with themselves. We are overachieving with an underfunded squad packed full of academy kids to be where we are. If we (as probably expected) do stumble out of the play offs, replace in the summer.

2 minutes ago, Gav said:

It’s been a tremendous season so far, punching above our weight in a division where our budget is decidedly mid-table.

Fans that travelled are gutted tonight, but are behind the manager and behind this young team.

Freezing. 

I know that these are probably the common opinions amongst supporters, but I honestly just don't understand it.

Do you think

a) Mowbray will get us promoted?
b) Without Mowbray we will get relegated?

If you didn't answer yes to either of those questions, what on earth is the point in him being employed here?

One of the few places we, as Rovers fans, can call a shit hole.

Shit town. Shit club. Shit fans.

1-1

1 hour ago, roverandout said:

worst football played in the last 50 years

Appleton

31 minutes ago, TheRoversReturn said:

We have Mowbray Standards these days. Or, in a grim mood, Venkys Standards.

They're all just different ways of saying Complete Shit. 

Unfortunately yep.

2 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

We were simply beaten by a far better team for this level of football.

WBA are a physical and professional side, who do what what they do well. They reminded me of Burnley when we last played them; win the second balls; get it forward as quickly as possible, get crosses into the box, and shoot when they get a chance. Not the easiest on the eye, but very effective.

We're miles off that level I'm afraid.

Teams with a plan and a style. Not the most complicated, but it's definitely better than nothing.

Not really sure why people thought we were alright in the second half. We were still pretty crap. But then again we are pretty crap.

36 minutes ago, Doug said:

Please do not spend £5m - £6m on an unproven, injury prone striker, will we ever learn!!

Just to check because I haven't been paying attention... Is the deal for Obafemi not part of the Armstrong deal in that we will pay pittance for him in exchange for selling Armstrong for £15m, but separate so we don't give as much to Newcastle?

So it's not like we're actually spending £5-6m on him that could go elsewhere?

21 minutes ago, Blueandwhitemike said:

If you live there you (and @JHRover) should know that Old Trafford is not and never has been in Salford!

Aye, the demarcation is the Irwell. Can still see it from here and be there in a 10 min walk though - for better or for worse!

9 minutes ago, only2garners said:

He's at Morecambe. 18 appearances so far this season and just the one goal.

Surprised he's that high up the ladder. Think Henley might have made his debut in that game too and he at least looked a decent prospect.

13 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I remember working on a job at a rubber factory in Salford a few years ago. We'd stopped in a local boozer for a couple of pints and a pie because we'd worked while about 9-00 pm. When we went to leave the landlord insisted on escorting us to our works van - " Just in case lads, I wouldn't want you to get into any bother ! "

When I'd just moved here after I left Uni, we played United at Old Trafford on New Year's Eve I think it was (or around then), the game was on Sky and a couple of mates and I went looking for a pub that was showing the game. We ended up in a little place not far away called The Broadway. It was the game where we won 3-2, Yakubu scored a penalty, Hanley got the winner from a corner and (I think) Jordan Slew made his debut (whatever happened to him?).

That was by far the roughest pub I've ever been in. A proper council estate community pub with United flags covering all the windows so there was no light (and no one could see what was happening in there!) and earless locals skinning up joints on the bar. Like a real world Shameless but not watered down for terrestrial TV. We somehow survived until the final whistle and left sharpish.

Someone was shot in there a week later and the place has since been knocked down.

... Still stand by it's nice on the Quays though!

6 minutes ago, rigger said:

Sky don't like us,

We don't care.

Top tip, don't subscribe to sky, and it all goes away.

Missus likes the Box Sets, I like the NFL.

2 hours ago, JHRover said:

'Up North' the only qualification appears to be winning trophies. Man City, Man Utd and Liverpool deemed fashionable due to the immense trophy hauls they have had yet not sure what is fashionable about Salford, East Manchester or the back streets of Liverpool. All are similarly deprived and unpleasant in parts as Blackburn, Preston and Burnley yet are perceived as being very different.

I can see Old Trafford from my window. Salford Quays is very nice I'll have you know!

Even nicer when United lose and I can watch all the glum faces trudging past from my balcony.

2 hours ago, davulsukur said:

Sky really don't give a sh*t about Rovers. At all.

I remember they did a little video montage once, which showed all the Premier League winning teams, apart from us.

There's only 7 bloody teams that have won it. Liverpool hadn't even won it by this point, so 6.

On Sky they have a show called Premier League Years, each has a cover image. Invariably it is the team celebrating the league win or their star player, the year Leicester won the show even has the subtitle "Leicester's Year"...

94/95... Picture of Matt Le Tissier celebrating his lob at Ewood. Sums up what Sky think of Rovers perfectly.