5 minutes ago, whalleyrover said:

If they want PL football, why did they not strengthen in January, remove TM during the death spiralas would have happened anywhere else or hired a proven manager this season.

They put a new system in place and did hire a good manager for this season.

Their issue is if they like you they are very loyal.

6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Fair enough. If you choose to believe and judge baseless rumours, adding on speculated rumoured bids for players we didn't sign etc, then you seemingly will be with the majority on here, but I will continue to judge the owners on what is spent, not on what apparently could have been but wasn't.

I believe the last bit about loans, no idea on whether they were "very good," I presume you know the names? Connolly and Forss were linked, neither of which could be described as such.

Venky's want Premier League football. Several Indian consortiums have looked at clubs in the past year including Chelsea and Leeds. The amount of abuse, mocking etc if that happens in Indian media for them will be huge. Only way to stop that is if we go up or look like we will.

Also in the past 2 seasons we've spent close to £10m on loans so not a trivial amount as you seem to think.

1 minute ago, glen9mullan said:

£10 million does not include the "special request" for the special player. 

This request was granted for the lad who went sheff utd, but the wages blew that deal straight away.

The request button is for a player though, and not a transfer budget top up!

Special request will be van Hecke and LB and Striker will have to be funded by the remaining budget

3 minutes ago, glen9mullan said:

I expect £10 mill to be spent (heard this is the healthy budget), which will include loan fees. If BBD is sold I suspect that half of that will also be reinvested.

The stumbling block is and will remain the wage budget, under no circumstances will the wage budget be increased. This certainly makes the pool smaller, given kids in the prem are on £20k plus PW.

Which has us shopping championship, League 1, Europe or Prem loans.

I believe the budget last season was the same budget, but we failed to spend it, with again wage demands either thwarting us, players chosing to go elsewhere, or in other cases targets not being deemed an improvement on what we had.

With what we've brought in so far including Morton loan, we've probably already spent £3-£4 million. Regardless how the payment arrangements have been agreed, this will not be deferred from this seasons budget.

The 2 Vans will use all of the remaining £6m so can see a request for additional funds for a LB and a striker being submitted. It seems everyone signed so far is on £10k or so. Getting quality in within the wage budget will be difficult.

7 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

No, sorry.

So not Styles either,  by process of elimination ......  

I can't see it being Van Hecke, so only other player we have been linked to is Bowler.

We'll have to see what happens in next couple of weeks

Just now, Sparks Rover said:

Neil managed him at the nobbers

Yep and did a very good job as well. 

Just now, Sweaty Gussets said:

SVDB?

I expect so. We are probably not willing to guarantee the number of appearances they are after.

4 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

🙄

So the Liverpool lad is going to Sunderland for guaranteed first team action.

1 minute ago, Gav said:

We had no budget in summer 2020, January 21, summer 21 and you'd now have us believe that all of a sudden someone found millions in a suitcase at the back of The Riverside in January 22 and the manager refused to spend it? 

What complete and utter nonsense with respect.

If it doesn't make any sense its probably not true Simon.

We did have budget in 2020 and 2021. The problem was we wasted it. The 2020 squad should have fought for a play off place at the minimum

16 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I think your info is extremely reliable my friend. I believe we have offered slightly more than that for JPVH but it's still a long way shy of what Brighton wanted originally so who knows if that will get done this window. Especially if he now has family issues.

Also think we're still in for Styles, VDB from Liverpool and a young Europen based Central  striker as you say.

As none of them have so far landed, I'm starting to get rather worried. If we haven't been able to get the deals done by now, how is that magically going to change over the next twelve days?

Seems to me a drastic rethink is required either in terms of what's necessary to get the deals over the line or in terms of different personnel. They can't be the only quality players available at this stage.

I think all teams are waiting, teams we are buying from don't want to budge in their valuations especially with us possibly having another £10m to spend if BBD is sold. Last few days of the window everyone will start being more negotiable although with the World Cup and fixture log this year that may not happen.

At some point we'll have to move on and switch to signing other players but if we do and our targets suddenly move for £2m on deadline day we'll all say why didn't you wait?

45 minutes ago, unleaded said:

Don’t understand Broughton .. know we are waiting on the 2 Vans but what’s stopping him filling other positions ……it’s hampering JDT as he expects 4/5 players ….

Funds, they are negotiating for JPVH as a permanent signing from Brighton, once that is complete they will then know what's left at the moment Brighton are after £7m and we are some way off.

I sense JPVH may have to be a special request for more funds from Venky's.

14 minutes ago, RV Blue said:

JDT served up a bigger pile of rubbish last night than Mowbray ever served up, I think we should hold off from calling him the second coming just yet.

There was far worse under Mowbray, excluding the obvious there was the 3-1 home loss in league 1 to Doncaster.

38 minutes ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

Of course. Still doesn’t excuse our slow recruitment. ‘Healthy budget’ to spend remember.

It still requires Venky's to approve each transfer and send the funds across for the transfer.

Just now, RoversClitheroe said:

Szmodics yesterday was non existent, like playing with 9 men with Pickering and Sammy

I think the issue was heat exhaustion from Sunday for several of the players and it takes a bit longer thank 3 days to get over it unfortunately. We need more players to cover it.

3 games in 6 days with the first game being played in the mid 30s is going to take its toll even with the improved fitness the players seem to be showing. We may have to look at tweaking the tactics and doing less of the high pressing in order to give some of the players an easier game or we may have a bigger injury issue on our hands.

4 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Not interested in hard luck stories. 

Enquiries and bids don't count as signings.

They've had time, and according to those 'in the know' there's a good budget. Time to see action.

I'm tired of transfer windows ending in disappointment and then having to read about all the reasons we couldn't get business done even though we tried.

That's the problem though, they haven't had much time. Just over 2 months to analyse the squad and then make decisions on what type of players we need to fit the new playing style before going out and finding.

If we wanted this summer to be a success at the very least we needed Broughton to have been appointed in Feb and  JDT shortly after. We are playing catch-up to too much delayed decision making.

1 minute ago, JHRover said:

We can all see it, and it is safe to assume both Tomasson and Broughton can see it as professionals who have worked in football all their lives.

If the business doesn't get done it won't be because Tomasson and Broughton don't want it. We have to look to the owners and their man in the shadows.

It's a difficult task bringing in 7-8 players even if we have a budget of £9m. Still only works out at just over £1m a player.

I'd be going back to Barnsley for Styles pretty quickly after Pickering's performance today.

I know they have enquired about Charlie Goode on loan but been told Brentford want to sell only at around £4m, whether the price or possible loan will change towards the end of the window I don't know. Although I would be worried about his injury record for the past 2 seasons.

Just now, tomphil said:

Someone is trying to get an auction going we've seen it all before.

At a guess I would say his agent

6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

How would people feel if we loaned a guaranted goalscorer (injury permitting of course) for £10-15m for a season? There would be uproar for such an investment.

I get and share the worries about Venkys pocketing the money which I suppose usurps the whole debate anyway but still. Should be a no brainer to sell due to his contract and reinvest if we had normal owners. 

£15m plus add-ons with 1 year to go on his contract is pretty much accept the bid.

We really need to get our signings done before selling BBD as if we do the signings after, clubs will want more for their players knowing we have the cash in the bank from the sale.

23 minutes ago, yankfan said:

If we take that approach, we should also make heavy investments in the side and prepare for an embargo next season.  Take the parachute payments to get back up 2 years later. 

New FFP rules from next year, so as long as we control the wage budget, now is the best time to make heavy investments and go for it.

4 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Who says we have the money? And even if someone has said we have money to spend there's precious little sign of any significant sums being spent so far

If no serious money is spent this window the only assumption can be is that we don't have the money and it was never there in the first place

Have Brighton said that in relation to Van Hecke? 

 

The last update on Van Hecke I read here was that he had family issues and was looking at moving back to Holland.

9 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Even assuming that Ayala who has a history of injuries and Phillips who has shown tendency to break down as his body grows both stay fit, how would people feel about potentially having only those 2 centre backs available over the next 5 games if signings aren't imminent?

Totally get that quality comes first but Tomasson would have the right to feel aggrieved at those above him and I would not be comfortable with having to give Phillips such a run of games.

Very difficult for the 5 games and the chances are that one of the two is likely to get a strain etc is high.

However I would still prefer to get the right players in that JDT wants than just getting someone who is available. Although with how well under wraps transfers are kept these days, it wouldn't be a surprise to see a 5 min warning for a player we have never heard of that has signed.

6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

No it wasn't a good thing, you make out as if there were 2 options, to keep Rothwell or to sell him, without considering the potential to reinvest.

As it is, we ended up with no Rothwell and no money. 

I am not convinced that Klopp and Pep are overruled but the thing is with these instances, they are the opposite. I would get the owners pressuring people to sell someone to raise funds potentially more, but to stubbornly keep players letting their contracts expire rather than letting the manager decide? Absolute rubbish.

For one, our accepted offer for Dembele on deadline day showed there were funds to spend. Mowbray is also on record saying he turned down the option to sign several loan and permanent signings.

They over ruled him on the sale of Rothwell only. They did as you suggested with David Raya and look how badly that turned out for us.

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

My other point is I strongly disagree with the notion of Venkys overuling the manager preventing sales and potential reinvestment and find it incredible that people defend them for it.

Why? We would be the only club who operate the way you want. For most of the clubs in the entire football league it would be the board or a clubs bankers who will decide if a player is sold or not. Managers/Coaches have very little to do with it. Even Klopp and Guardiola are frequently over ruled by their owners on transfers.

Venky's rejected Rothwell because they wanted to keep the squad together and go for promotion. Surely that was a good thing? We'd all be complaining if it was the other way round.