I genuinely don't think this guy will ever reach his full potential. His body shape, lifestyle, fame chasing and general lack of dedication (and IQ) will, in my opinion, be his downfall sooner rather than later (I have the feeling he'll end up injury prone, much like Dunn did).

If we sell him for more than £20m, he'll never fetch anywhere near that again. However, he undoubtedly still has a lot to offer us in the immediate present/ future.

I hink we need to sell him whilst his stock is high, but try to get every last bit of worth out of him first. My instinct says the summer would be the best time to get shut, but time will tell.

59 minutes ago, JacknOry said:

Then go on a crusade and spout your nonsense to all the lands my friend. TBH it says more about you than anyone else, fans will always voice emotional responses but it is always the fair few like yourself that act like vultures after the event has occurred. Funny, we did not see you mention your opinion on the starting eleven - why? 

Edit: so you can take the morale high ground. 

What are all my posts on this thread regarding?

I don't even think you know what you're arguing about anymore.

22 minutes ago, JacknOry said:

Hysteria you will find on all football forums - why do people think this is only Rovers? Just go take a look around, I visit many other clubs forums and it is exactly the same.

Who said it's only here? Doesn't mean it's not cretinous.

4 minutes ago, tomphil said:

It certainly wasn't a robbery on the Canello v GGG scale and plenty experts sat there afterwards and called that either way.

I wouldn't have complained if they'd scored it for Fury but can also see how they might go draw taking the fight and whole scenario start to finish around this matchup , makes the rematch more interesting and kind of guarantees it. Protects both guys unbeaten records and keeps the belt with the Yank, boxing still stinks and that's before we state on drug cheats who shouldn't be allowed to fight again.

Yeah the rematch will be Hype City.

Hoping they can do it in the UK, but suspect Wilder will still hold all he cards still being the Champion.

Hoping Fury keeps up his dedication from the past year.

17 minutes ago, Stuart said:

Good post. The bit in bold though won’t be a reasonable or acceptable excuse for long while we are spending money. If we don’t address problem areas.

Of course, but up to now the only money we've spent to improve the squad is the hypoyethical sum on Brereton (which if completed with be paid based on various bonuses I'm sure, which suggests neither the buying party nor selling party expect instant results from the transfer).

The Armstrong money was just to maintain the strength of the League 1 squad. Everything else has been freebies and loans.

1 minute ago, tomphil said:

Irony is here it was the British judge !

Pretty sure that's not an accident. If you're going to ensure one judge is going for you, make sure it's the British one so you can say "he wasn't even American..."

You say everyone thinks they're an expert, I've seen both Lennox Lewis and Floyd Mayweather say that Fury won comfortably. How much more of an expert do you want?

6 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Two knockdowns and a few close rounds so probably right result, always had suspicion it would be a draw if they were both standing at the end so backed it at 33-1.

Eh? Fury embarrassed him. Wilder cannot box, he literally relies on smacking the other guy square in the face, and doesn't possess an ounce of boxing guile.

I think everyone had Fury with a lead of a country mile, even with knockdowns taken into account.

I'm not surprised by the decision, but it's a disgrace. How the promoters get to book the judges and not the official boxing commitee is beyond me, and makes a farce of the sport.

Fury absolutely robbed. Shades of Lewis/ Holyfield all those years ago. The judge who gave the fight to Wilder had him winning 5 out of the first 6 rounds. The corruption is infuriating.

Gutted for him, but with a few more months of training I don't think Wilder would touch him. 

Great fight, and how Fury got up from the canvas in the final round I'll never know.

6 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Who should be embarrased?

I dont understand your post in that any team will always court criticism if it hits a drop in form. Too many people on here manipulate those criticisms to be judgements about Mowbrays overall position.

I don't consider a two game losing streak to be a particular drop in form. When you haven't won for 5 or 6 games, that's when you start to wonder if things are wrong. But even then, in our case, it wouldn't mean that the guy who was fantastic for the previous two years is suddenly not good enough off the back of a dodgy month. We've become everything that we used to mock in English football, from diving to the incredible turnover of managers (which has yet to prove itself to be a successful model, but has proven to be a very expensive one).

Nowadays everybody has signed up to the madhouse where Sky Sports will have you believe a team is in crisis if they have completed less sprints this week than they did in the first half two weeks ago.

Plenty of people on here were criticising Mowbray personally rather than the team, and even a couple saying he's taken us as far as he can/ saying he should be under pressure if he can't turn it around. There was nothing to turn around. I mean, we've lost once in more than a year at home. Once. And people were suggesting he might not be up to the job? Really?

This squad is fighting above its weight (in terms or league position; I think it's a lower mid table squad) in this league, and considering the job he's done, only in a situation where we are adrift and in trouble should his job be under threat.

Its incredible that some people are so fickle that after two defeats they suddenly act as if they previous two years didn't happen.

9 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Which clubs around us have outspent us massively ? I don't know about you but when I look at the League table the first thing I look for us how many points we are above the third from bottom.

I've referenced that, and we're 11 off the relegation zone just past the halfway stage (effectively 12 with goal difference).

Here's the link to all clubs spending..

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/transfers/wettbewerb/GB2

Pretty much all of them spent more than us in the summer.

I know the media and the 24/7 constant analysis of every little thing football related has (along with the modern day culture of wanting things to arrive in their lives instantaneously) made people very prone to knee jerk reactions, but a few people around here should be a bit embarrassed about what they've said on this thread over the last few days (in my opinion).

It's like they've never seen a team have a sudden slump in form/ bad run before (in our case, you'd be hard pressed to say "run").

Mowbray has done an incredible job taking into account the mad house he walked into. Having got us promoted, after 20 games we are 5 points from the play offs, 11 away from the drop zone, and in 9th position.

We are surrounded by clubs who have not only outspent us, but who have outspent us massively. Whilst I'm not sure about the length of his contract given the modern nature of football, in my opinion he was (and remains) a million miles away from being under even the tiniest bit of pressure.

1 hour ago, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said:

Maintaining a jog, trot or canter should be the minimum expectation rather than learning to walk.  A sprint here and there would be great following the amble of the last couple of matches.  

Clear enough?

Would a brisk walk keep our necks above water? If we were to find ourselves in deep water would a doggy paddle be enough to drag us to safety?

37 minutes ago, S8 & Blue said:

We're mid table. Nearer the playoffs than the drop. What's a jog?

I really hope this thread trails off in this direction. What's inbetween a walk and a jog? A trot? Or is a trot faster than a jog? How does this equate to league position?

13 hours ago, 47er said:

 There was a suggestion a few months ago that TM be given a 6 year extension! People need to be more balanced.

He is making selection errors and the players aren't playing with the same spirit that's been such a positive feature of his tenure.

He deserves the right to put things straight but patience isn't endless in this game.

Of course. Talk of 6 year contracts on football nowadays is ridiculous.

Mowbray has earned the right to overaee a horrific run before his job should be under consideration. His reign here has been an overwhelming success. As I've stated, at this level, we were always going to hit a bad run with this squad.

A run is 4/5 games of positive/ negative results. Talk/ insinuation of his job being under consideration if we lose another game or two is ridiculous. 

These are the same people who would be livid if Dack were knocking down the door and asking for a move to West Brom come January.

15 hours ago, Amo said:

Reactive, you mean?

 

Apologies, you're quite right.

Good job you don't spend all day correcting grammatical mistakes over at the other place, otherwise you'd never leave the study...

Now presuming you came here to add nothing other than pettily correct a grammatical error, why not scuttle back off to find pictures of tits? 

4 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

Have a look through the thread, I haven't seen a single post saying so......

The only posts have been suggesting that things need to improve, or that if things continue this way then Mowbray's position will be under review.

Only like at any other football club on the planet to be fair.

Long way to go before his position should be under discussion. 

And fans moan when managers and players aren't loyal to clubs...

We were always going to have a bad run, we aren't that good.

Hes done exceptionally well for us, and the aim at the start of the season was survival. We've been flirting with the playoffs all season up to now.

People need to stop being so reactionary at the first sign of a dodgy run.

Are people really calling for Mowbray's head? The fickle nature of the modern football fan never ceases to amaze me.

Gary Bowyer is a footballing genius. Trailblazer.  

1 minute ago, blueboy3333 said:

LOL. By engage do you mean make stuff up that isn't relevant? Anyway, you've proved yourself an angry and unpleasant individual on more than one occasion on this thread. 

I'm guessing Dunny didn't go drinking with you and it's left you bitter (pun intended)

 

You've cracked it. "Lol."

10 minutes ago, blueboy3333 said:

Why didn't you say at the start. That's all the proof I need as to why he 'pissed' his long career in the Prem away ?

Seems like I gave you too much credit in engaging you in the first place. 

1 minute ago, blueboy3333 said:

No you haven't, you've just stated it as fact. 

You've stated him being a legend as a fact. The irony is astounding. I know shit loads of people who have had a drink with Dunny around Blackburn both when he played for us and Birmingham. Plenty on here have tales of seeing him out and about drinking too during his "recoveries."

If you don't believe it then fine, I couldn't care less. Are you under the impression I'm trying to change your mind? 

I said about ten posts ago "let's agree to disagree," but you carried on hounding. 

I've made my point, and if you disagree, then fine.

Your own statistics indicate that very few of his 14 seasons here were news worthy, but you seem to think that three good seasons make you a legend. I disagree.

You seem incapable of accepting that as a viewpoint. Are you a bit thick? Or are you just after a bit of an argument? Seems to me like a bit of both.

I'm very thankful for the good memories of Dunn. I just wish he never came back, then I wouldn't have a bad word to say about his Rovers career.

29 minutes ago, blueboy3333 said:

See, this is where you are getting it wrong. He had injuries, it therefore doesn't follow that he 'pissed' it all away. One of the best? Your opinion, not fact.

If only you could dumb it down enough for it to make sense, 'mate',

I've already explained why he "pissed away" his potential.

You just seem incapable of grasping it. 

12 minutes ago, blueboy3333 said:

Have you a link to this? Someone saying they saw him down the pub is not proof.

I used to read Dunn was fat until he ripped off his shirt after scoring against the dingles. Not an ounce of fat on him.

 

 

A link to what? A weekly biography of his life out and about drinking around town? Are you a real person?

14 minutes ago, blueboy3333 said:

See, you're starting point is a false premise. You are comparing Duff and Dunn and using Duff's success as a stick to beat Dunn with. Duff was better than Dunn. That's why Chelsea signed Duff and not Dunn. Then going on to use Chelsea's success as proof of your point is utterly mental. 

I can't really help you any more with this. 

David Dunn - Rovers legend. 

You suggested that Dunn leaving had a detrimental effect on the team. I used his time at Birmingham along with Duff's at Chelsea to say that we didn't miss Dunn at all, but only Duff.

You either can't grasp anything that I say, or you try to change it in order to fit better with your argument.

We disagree. Get over it. It's like arguing with a wall. Or a small child. 

You think Dunn is a legend. Good luck to you. 

3 hours ago, Pedro said:

I wish we'd get the likes of the ex-players on your list back to Ewood. Rovers have unbelievably crap connections with former players/managers and seem disassociated from a chunk of our history. I used to like it when ex players did the draw at half time etc. Now we just have the guy who sounds like he's in charge of the Walters.

Get the likes of King Kenny, Tony Parkes and any of the well-loved figures back at Ewood. I'm sure some would love to come back once a season or so.

It's because we pettily boo all of our ex players, no matter their contribution.

Shearer, Sherwood, Le Saux, Wilcox, Berg, May, Souness, Hughes and god knows how many more were all booed upon returning despite all giving us great service and memories over the years.

It's no wonder our old players and managers don't feel a great deal of love for us. It's a real shame, as I'm in total agreement with your post.