JDT = 33 points out of 29 games = 1.14ppg = 52.44 ppg of 46 games

JE = 6 points out of 9 games = 0.66 ppg = 30.36 ppg out of 46 games

With a more favourable situation the present incumbent’s record is worse.

Think we will survive due to poorer teams than us.

But it won’t make a great deal of difference to SWAG or the owners. They have the narrative worked out either way (which will be peddled in local media and elsewhere).

We go down –it was JDTs fault for leaving us in a mess, we acted decisively, have a new manager, let’s kick on, get behind the team, let’s rebuild, we are fully committed …..

We stay up –we acted promptly despite a difficult situation, our new manager kept us up, let’s kick on, get behind the team, let’s rebuild, we are fully committed …..

3 hours ago, M_B said:

First and foremost,Eustace had to stop the goals against and make Rovers harder to beat. 

3 defeats in 11 since Tomasson left suggests it's working, those 3 defeats by a single goal. It's easy to forget that we were getting spanked for weeks on end, teams are now having to actually work to beat us. 

Yes, he badly needs a win, but at least we're not beaten before we even go out, which is what was happening. 

What is it every manager is tasked with when they walk into a team shipping loads of goals? Tighten up at the back and make us hard to beat. 

Of course, JDT then had a depleted squad and one that supposedly didn’t want to work for him/found it too hard under him.

Eustace has a better squad (obviously all relative) and supposedly one that is happier and is raring to go.

Result –dropped down the league table.

Fleck on £20 per week? A tenner would be too much 😉

You can see inside his mind now? 🙂 I would suggest he possibly does because he has a family member here and has interest still in the area.

He left us higher up the league than present despite the background inadequacies of this club. The present manager has taken us down the league.

I think we will stay up by virtue of points gained earlier in the season and the fact that there are worse teams than us.

I do hope, that in the event of us going down, you will not be part of the inevitable chorus of "It's on JDT, Eustace just did his best in the circumstances."

Yep. SWAG must have wondered what on earth he had done by appointing an intelligent bloke who recognised incompetence and bullshit and wouldn't turn a blind eye.

I’m not blaming him alone, but nobody can exonerate him from blame when he oversaw such a bad run after being in such a good position. 

He was the one who got us into such a good position. And yes you can blame him for the points tally in a subsequent poor run. (although we know that this was initially having players injured and and players leaving, then subsequently an entitled ‘group’ downing tools and JDT losing the will giving the dysfunction around him.)

…how big a mess he inherited…

Nothing has changed other than Wharton leaving. In fact, Eustace has several plusses that JDT didn’t have. All he has done is scrape some draws. Of course, he has exactly the same mess as JDT had in terms of the dysfunction of the owners and SWAG. Another difference is that he is SWAG’s lapdog unlike his predecessor.

The idea that the club pulled off some great move in sacking JDT is most amusing (and the sort of logic of a club PR dept.) He did his best to get out of the barmy kitchen a long time ago but the numpties in charge wouldn’t let him go. When he then has to pay to escape, the PR machine kicks into action and blames him for possibly taking us down.

I’m sure JDT would not have taken us down. He and the players would managed to grin and bear each other and scrape the same points that is currently being delivered. He would of course then left –SWAG and the Raos/Suhail couldn’t possibly have let him interfere for another season by speaking sensibly and calling out their lunacy.

Having said all this, sacking Eustace would probably achieve little. Obviously, we know it won’t happen anyway-too costly and too much on SWAGs string. And if we did, SWAG/Suhail would make sure that the next one would be a sure fire loser and yes-man.

49 minutes ago, M_B said:

I'm not blaming him as such, but the outcome is the outcome, he left us in a mess and it's Eustace's job to try to keep us up. 

He'll do well if he does. 

How did he leave us in a mess? Yes obviously, the points tally. But Eustace has everything else. Players available that weren’t available to JDT, players supposedly happier and willing to play for a new manager because they didn’t like the old one, players who are capable of a passing game because JDT coached them well. So all should be set fair and yet he can’t muster a single win.

The blame it on JDT narrative is weak and smacks of club PR to divert attention from appalling management for the Raos, SWAG anda Suhail.

22 hours ago, Upside Down said:

By birth, like all of them.

?

Jim Ratcliffe was born in Failsworth, lived in a council house, his dad was a joiner and mum worked in an accounts office.

6 hours ago, J*B said:

I think thats gross negligence from employees and/or the people in charge of running the club employing inexperienced people into key positions to keep the running costs low.

Simply cannot believe that. 3 times? Was that the same inexperienced person each time?

Those sorts of decisions come from higher up.

2 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

The books are open and have been since they took over - the FA - EPL before - have to see them every season so it’s a mute point you make.

There is NO money laundering through Rovers and BRFC are not under investigation NOR are they linked to anything Venkys have done with their Indian tax returns!

So all this court case stuff is nothing to do with Rovers? Other than an excuse not to provide adequate funds to improve.

28 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

6 points in our final 8 games would likely leave us safe on 48 points.

The points needed to be safe in the previous 5 seasons were 41, 49, 44, 38 and 45.

The problem is where are the points coming from.

Don't think we will go down and wouldn't have anyway. Just got a manager to future proof failure.

JE
6 points in 8 games
Would equate to circa 35 points in 46 league games
= relegation

Warm weather training coming up? SWAG could drive them on the bus to somewhere warmer -Torquay? 😉

Reasonable point.

Are we still a going concern?

On 10/03/2024 at 23:03, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Yeah, his knee was bad. Same again, no medical. Britt was signed before Gilliver but they were at the club briefly at the same  time. He was a youth team world beater at West Ham before the injury. Scored a hat trick playing directly against Liverpool’s Tommy Smith in the youth cup final. He could only jump off one leg after the injury !

Not surprised after playing against Tommy 🙂

What JE perhaps needs to realise is that after over a decade of miserable years under the Raos, the bullshitometer of the intelligent Rovers fan is set to ultrasensitive.

Senior moment, I can't read dates. Aplogies.

I get a pdf with little on it of relevance other than the info above in my post.

https://dhcappl.nic.in/dhcorderportal/

1. click on ‘case wise’

2. change case type to WP (C)

3. Case number is 7966

4. change year to 2023

I can only get this

O R D E R
% 24.01.2024
In view of the scheduled Vigilance Committee meeting at 05:00 PM, this matter cannot not be taken up today.
List on 12.03.2024.
SUBRAMONIUM PRASAD, J

(Apologies Miller) so that's why we've had the nondescript stuff of late. 😃

Somewhat offbeam but does anybody know if a music track is played at Ewood, do we have to pay royalties?

3 hours ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

You are one of the more reasonable posters on here, so I guess it's about time this was challenged

What has John Eustace done or said that has made you think he is a "yes man"? And what exactly do you mean by it?

I see ‘where you are coming from’ to use an awful phrase. He has to try and keep up morale and so on. However, the interview comments after the Plymouth game were wishy washy drivel that any PR guru would have been proud of. He didn’t have to say ‘it was crap and we were totally outplayed for 80 minutes’ but he could have been more realistic and injected a note of urgency rather than bland clichés, as well as take the bland smile off his face.

You could argue that as he is SWAG’s appointment, he is, de facto useless. But at the moment, I would side with those that say it is a little early to tell, despite signs not being good.

Too bright and honest a manager for the shitshow that is Rovers.

2 hours ago, DE. said:

When Spurs beat us 2-0 in April 2012 I don't think I've ever seen a match where a team was less obvious about not wanting to win. We played that match like a training game. Even the pundits were gobsmacked at how lifeless our performance was. I'm not suggesting it was fixed, but for whatever reason our team had no desire whatsoever to get anything out of that game, despite the fact we needed every possible point to survive. 

Team?

1
P Robinson (c)
18
B Orr
16
S Dann
5
G Givet
21
M Olsson
10
M Formica
8
D Dunn
35
J Lowe
12
M Pedersen
23
J Hoilett
24
Y Aiyegbeni

SPURS

24
B Friedel
28
K Walker
13
W Gallas (c)
4
Y Kaboul
25
D Rose
7
A Lennon
14
L Modric
30
Sandro
3
G Bale
11
R van der Vaart
10
E Adebayor

Sack him? Come on Mercer you know that ain't going to happen. Would cost them.

Everybody knows it's 5 points out of a possible 21. All other noise is er just noise, WUM or club apparatchik.