6 minutes ago, tugayislegend said:

The reason we cannot come back from going behind is because we dont CHANGE our way of playing. When going behind we HAVE to go aggressive, takes risks, gamble with extra men in box, play long balls into box! This has to come from the manager, but surely even the players need to take some responsibility!

 

 

 

 

We played with 10 men for nearly a half against a good side. Think criticism of JDT has been over the top. 

Doesn't mean we can't ask questions. Like why garrett? Why not use the bench more.

The introduction of Travis and garrett was aimed at getting us to be more aggressive. If we'd taken risks we'd have got picked off, that's the reality of playing with 10 men. 

I know JDT has lost a lot of faith with some really poor insipid performances but reality is we lost last night due to a combination of Buckley and the officials.

We are 3rd (somehow), we've got a run of winnable games coming up, let's not sharpen the knives too prematurely. 

Going to stick to the positives. Thought we played well first half and deserved that lead. Some elements looked to be clicking into gear and we could've had a couple more if Gally had been on song. Thought JDT made a good tactical move having JRC and Hedges go man to man, nullifying them down their left.

I'll leave everyone else to pick through the bones of the rest

5 hours ago, booth said:

He was a stubborn old goat who neglected the defence, favoured possession over 3 points, kept playing strikers on the wing, midfielders up front, and kept signing them to do so too. That stubborn that he threw away a fantastic opportunity for promotion because of his documented belief that we don't play with centre forwards, and that Ben Brereton would continue to stay fit and score in the second half of the season. Even though he knew he was due international duty and someone needed to fill his shoes.

I can say that confidently, from five years of watching his teams continually fail, he was as pragmatic as a pair of glass socks.

Even though I'm disappointed with JDT he's got a long way to go before we can label him as stubborn, foolish and illogical as Tony Mowbray.

100%

I think it'll be on. Snow is melting pretty quick and not much ice down the road in chorley. Slap some grit on the pavements and it should be fine 

I'd have morton and garrett off before I had Travis off. They've been very loose in possession

             Kaminski

Carter   Phillips  Wharton  Mola

           Buckley  garrett

Markanday   dack    dolan

                Hirst/vale

Anyone know how that straight red for dack will affect his availability?

We have won every game this season when we have taken the lead this season.

In fact we have not conceded a single equaliser when we've taken the lead.

We have already won 12 games.

Thus we are good at defending leads. Very good infact. A great strength

Yes it wasn't pretty on the eye. I felt Vale in particular didn't hold it up particularly well to allow us to get up the pitch. But the above is pretty hard to deny.

Left back and striker for me.

Also would like them to look at improving the backup to Kaminski. Still think that's a complete season buster should the worse happen.

22 hours ago, Mike E said:

I desperately WANT to stick. But I think, in the alleged circumstances, it'd be prudent to twist.

What are the alleged circumstances?

9 minutes ago, Angry_Pirate said:

 

Only 1 moan for me, why I have to hear Vincent Kompany's name chanted from the BBE about 18 times, plus infinite other anti Burnley chants, I do not know. Can we stop with the Burnley fascination, its stinks of inferiority, we're top of the pissing league!

I've been finding this odd for a while. So many songs about Burnley. Top of the league and some have nothing else to chant about.

The main question is who replaces Travis. I think Phillips should he replaced by Carter, who I think is ready and has played well when called upon, Phillips doesn't look fully able to justify a starting spot plus has struggled with fitness in back to back games thus far. 

For Travis replacement, I think most would agree that he's likely to stick with the 3-5-2 which gave us better control in midfield especially first half on Saturday.

Options:

Garrett - most like for like in terms of style, looks good for the under 23s. However is untested and would make for an incredibly young midfield trio.

Dack - needs a run of games and this is the available slot. Could be a good attacking option, morton to sit deep dack to give more support to the front 2. Problem would be that he doesn't really have the legs for it.

Buckley - better suited to a 3 man midfield than a 2. Looks really out of form though.

Hedges - Mr versatility, unlucky to be dropped In the first place. Neat and tidy, works hard but he's not played there for us before. Would be my guess as to who JDT picks.

Edun - energy and mobility. Which you need with a touch that bad. 

Rankin costello- would be the sadomastic choice.

                     Kaminski

Brittain    Hyam   Wharton   Pickering

Hedges     Travis     Wharton   Dolan

                        Dack

                     Brereton

Subs: Pears, Carter, Mola, Buckley, Morton Markanday, Gallagher

5 minutes ago, Miller11 said:

Obviously I know it won’t happen, but I’m sick to death of a number of our players, so I’d go with this:
               
                    Kaminski

Brittain   Hyam   Wharton   Pickering

Dolan     Wharton    Edun    Hedges

                         Dack

                       Brereton

 

Pears, Carter, Garrett, Gallagher, Harlock, Mola, Markanday

Edun? Really??? That's an overreaction.

Would be more than happy with the rest of it 

Some thoughts:

We aren't playing how JDT layed out at the start of the season

We didn't play with any noticeable style yesterday at all. 

No balance between midfield and defence. 

If we are in fact trying to play short passing through the middle then we might need Wharton in for Travis.

I gave Mowbray pelters for continually playing gally on the wing. JDT continues to play gally there and worse he played hirst there who is even less suitable

Mortons last two games have highlighted the benefits and drawbacks of taking a prime Premier league youngster

Szmodics to me seems like the attacking midfield version of Jordan Rhodes, can't do anything until he gets the ball around the box, doesn't pass the eye test.

We play narrow which must contribute to the ponderous play at the back. When BBD pulled wide towards the end he opened that channel up between rb and cb.

If we can sell Brereton in January then the team will be in big trouble.

I won't pay money to watch us away from home again for a while.

2 hours ago, Oldgregg86 said:

                      KaminskI.              

Brittain.  Hyam.  Wharton.Pickering

            Travis.      Wharton

Hedges.        Dack.            Brereton

                     Gallagher 

Love it (ayala in perhaps). But we'll never see it 

What I don't quite understand is JDT keeps coming out and criticising the tempo and the way we are passing out from the back. Yet we continue to play in this way. There is no obvious advantage to what we are doing at the moment but yet there is quite a lot of downside.

I remember watching arsenal away at Liverpool last season, and their passing put from the back against a Liverpool press was equally suicidal and they got hammered. Arteta and the players refused to change tact and afterwards arteta basically said they've got to get used to playing this way. It works for them a lot more now as they stuck through a rocky patch. I also note that all the top teams in the world pretty much pass out from the back.

Does this mean we can be successful playing this way? I remain unconvinced. If we don't get better at it soon then we are going to throw away more points like last night and frankly it makes for a pretty hard watch. 

9 hours ago, Ghost7 said:

I get the feeling tonight was Buckley's chance and he blew it. Didn't move the ball quick enough and under hit a lot of passes which seems to be a trait of his at the minute. He also doesn't play with enough intensity, which is probably the main frustration. Ultimately way off what Tomasson is looking for. I think he'll be out the team for a while now and worked on outside of the starting 11 which should mean Adam Wharton gets another chance. That is certainly what should happen.

On Buckley, I was keen on his move to cm before the season started but he hasn't looked comfortable there thus far. 

I would consider him and dack for the 10 slot. Then bring back a.wharton to challenge morton for the other cm slot. 

Szmodics I'd bin off completely.

For me:

                    Kaminski

Brittain    Hyam   Ayala   Pickering

                 Travis   Morton

Hedges        Dolan        Brereton

                     Gally

36 minutes ago, Andy said:

I thought it was Carter's best game for us - looked very comfortable down the right.

Pickering did similarly well down the left.

Fair play to Pickering I've given him some stick recently but he played well tonight. Similarly dolan imotessed tonight and has stepped up with another assist after going through a period of stagnation. 

Carter is a player and good back up for Brittain. I'm very happy with the 4 Centre half's we've got.

Looks like there's a good chance now that it will be on

Upto the individual bodies to choose, rugby league and I think Union going ahead too on Saturday. Cricket likely to resume on Saturday too.

8 hours ago, Aqualung said:

I totally agree. 

For some folks, kicking a bag of fresh air around some grass for 90 minutes is more important. Sad really considering what happened today. 

Just don't think the two are interlinked personally. Nobody is saying that the death of the monarch is less important than a football game its just that one happening on a Thursday should have any baring on some of the mass entertainment on a Saturday. There might be a need for police redeployment but that's largely limited to London area.

As I said earlier, pubs won't shut, clubs won't shut, shops won't shut, TV won't stop. Why some sport? Theirs criticism of the desire to gets game on yet nobody seems offer a reason as to why or how it shows respect.

1 minute ago, Tom said:

It’s a round of fixtures, we’ll cope if they are postponed, whether you liked, loved, respected, hated or were indifferent to the Queen and the royal family it’s a moment of huge significance and real history of the country and there was always going to be a period of official mourning

Okay so how does cancelling Saturdays fixtures two days afterwards affect that? I don't get the link i really don't.

Pubs and clubs won't shut, shops will stay open but the football must stop? Why? Feels like its assumed that it should just to mark how significant the event is.

The more I think about it the more that it frustrates me. I just don't get what the point is.

Efl to discuss with the government tomorrow. 

With the stoppages due to covid and the fixture pile up as it is they've really got to play these games.

United playing at home as I type. Less than 2 hours after he death was announced. Surely that sets a precedent here, if they don't call that off then why should they cancel Saturdays games.

Also notice how the golf and the cricket have only suspended play for tomorrow at the moment.