I also have a lot of Rovers fans I count as good friends,, having been a member at Blackburn Rugby Club for over 40 years ...

Lots of good natured joshing, on the receiving end in the mid 1990's when Rovers were in their prime, although the odd opportunity for a dig back presented itself, Trelleborgs etc ... Things have rather swung the other way over the last decade, though, a fellow Claret was checking the scores on his phone at a 1st XV game last season, when a Rovers fan leaned in, " How are Rovers doing ? " ..... " Not sure, mate, I don't follow lower league football " ..

I would add that this season, we've not been quite so " brave " ... the thought of Rovers passing us by going up as we get relegated, is about as palatable for us, as it would be for Rovers fans should the situation be reversed ..

Enjoy the rest of the season all .... 

The game in hand is Everton's visit to Liverpool this weekend .... a 1-1 draw isn't uncommon in the Merseyside Derby, but obviously I hope Mr Salah and his mates fill their boots on Sunday ... 😀

Sorry, but I couldn't resist ... remember, we're away at Chelsea at Saturday .... 

On 11/07/2021 at 21:12, Mike E said:

That's a LOT of time to come up with a wrong answer 😉

I'm getting from that he's mistaken as to " Darrenrovers " true identity, can I have initials then ! " 

On 31/03/2021 at 08:26, darrenrover said:

No way is Ossie a fecking Claret! Yeh, I know him but haven’t spoken to him in over 20 years. I supported ‘Ginge’ following his horrific tumble whilst doing his Gold Duke of Edinburgh’s and shattered his jaw.

You’re right re Mark Williams btw (not Mike)

I’m still in contact with Phil Hendricks too, ex Stiff, now a Bay City Roller! 🤣

 

Edit: I’ve just sought a second opinion re Ossie: he was a claret, that makes four of yah!

Just had a long E-mail from Ossie Young. He's narrowed you down to initials, both of which are NM, which isn't ideal ... one of the " Darwen feckers ", as he so beautifully put it . So, are you the Goalkeeper, or named after a well known " law " ?

He recalls Craig Mann's parents buying him a Sunbeam Alpine in the 6th form, and fumes " he didn't need that much help getting girls anyway, the git ! " 😄 Ossie sends his regards, and has asked me to tell you that he still speaks regularly to Pete Collins, now of Connecticut.

He's not gone totally native and will be supporting England, although fears the worse ! 

Claret, In peace as ever ...

Just come back to this topic, which I posted, seems to have caused some controversy ..

Valid points made by many, I will point out that the excellent Lancashire League website reveals that whilst East Lancs 1st XV does indeed to appear to have 10/11 players who are indiginous ( for want of a better word, no offence intended ), every member of the 2nd & 3rd XI's have " Asian " names. I hope this doesn't indicate that it's becoming two separate Clubs under one name ...

Burnley CC obviously has the car parking and bar income from visiting supporters on match days to sustain it, whilst Lowerhouse has a thriving social and junior section. Lowerhouse Chairman Stan Heaton appeared on Sky a few weeks ago. An old mate, who played at East Lancs for years tells me that the Bar taking are reducing year on year, as the Asian lads just come, play and then go, not staying around for the " Craic " afterwards, which is understandable ..

Surely a chance for the Venky's or Issa brothers to sponsor, which would greatly enhance their reputations ..

East Lancs now sitting bottom of the 2-tier Lancashire League, after some poor recent seasons ....

Playing without a Professional, what's gone wrong at what used to be one of the strongest Clubs in the League ??

18 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

Trolling, and if it's not trolling, it's tripe.

The lads at QEGS are from ordinary, backgrounds, most of them so-called "working class".

 

So, here's the thing ....

The 1st years of 1975, were the last to enter QEGS under the " Direct Grant " scheme. This scheme had an entrance exam, where the top 25% of pupils were offered a " free " place at the school, with assistance for travel/uniform costs if parents were on a low income. This accounted for 30 out of the 120 or so new entrants. The other 90 were offered places, with a sliding scale of fees, based on the parent's income. If your parents earnt little, you paid nothing, and got help with travel/uniform etc, if your parent was a solicitor, bank manager etc, you paid according to their means.

400 took the exam most years for QEGS ... The scheme was abolished by the Labour Government, forcing the schools to choose between going Independent, or reorganising to join the State sector as a Comprehensive. QEGS went down the Independent route. According to your view, " Direct Grant " was elitist and divisive, or a " ladder up " by which a bright child from a humble home could get a 1st Class " academic " education. 

My Dad grew up on a Council Estate, his father was a Lorry Driver, killed in WW2 when he was 7, his mother a Boots factory worker. He passed the old 11+, went to High Pavement GS, Nottingham, and after National Service, gained a Choral Scholarship to Cambridge ... as you would expect, he was of the second view which is why I was sent there.

As for posh, the lads from the wealthy families in Blackburn, tended to go to Rossall, Kirkham or Giggleswick Public Schools ... some of an uncharitable mind, may suggest this was because they weren't academically clever enough to pass the QEGS exam !!   

25 minutes ago, darrenrover said:

He tripped over his sixth toe whilst careering down a scree in The Lakes! 😉🤣

 Ossie rarely gets back to the UK, his parents passed a good few years ago, and he was their only child. When he attended the BRUFC reunion, he actually drove to Blackburn via North London, from Florence as he combined the trip with sorting out his late Uncle's affairs ...

He was great mates with Allan Nicol, a St Augustine's lad, who's now retired from Lancs Constabulary after 30 years. As Ossie strolled in to our reunion, Allan just walked over, burst into tears, and hugged him .... Allan's probably just shy of 19 stone, it was quite touching .... God knows what Ossie's lovely Italian wife, Elena thought of it !! 😁

14 minutes ago, darrenrover said:

No way is Ossie a fecking Claret! Yeh, I know him but haven’t spoken to him in over 20 years. I supported ‘Ginge’ following his horrific tumble whilst doing his Gold Duke of Edinburgh’s and shattered his jaw.

You’re right re Mark Williams btw (not Mike)

I’m still in contact with Phil Hendricks too, ex Stiff, now a Bay City Roller! 🤣

 

 

Ha,Ha ! Not only is he a Claret, he actually bought a " Communal Hymn Sheet " on Ebay, from the Tottenham v Burnley 1962 Cup Final ... I'd say that's bordering on obsessive !! 😁

I never knew how he ended up without his front " set ", you've educated me there !! 

Ossie .... markoyoung@onetel.com 

4 hours ago, darrenrover said:

3 of ‘your lot’ at the time were Ewan Pigeon, Mark Wilson and Robbie Walsh..,thing is they were all shit at playing football! Plus ça change! 🤣

Do you mean Mark Williams ? If so, you don't want to meet him in his professional capacity, as well as being a Solicitor, he's now the Assistant Coroner for East Lancashire ! Do you remember Mark " Ossie " Young, lived in Wilpshire ? Original bassist in the " Stiffs ", he's now a Corporate Accountant, and has lived in Florence for nearly 30 years .. another " Claret "

Keep well, and let's hope the " Derby " can be resumed soon, ideally in the top flight !! 

6 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

"Prod" said "I was knocking on the door of the school choir" in a singing test. Fortunately I was never called up. Imagine having to sing instead of play footy at lunch times? 

About 5 years after I left ( 1987 ? ), a mate from Blackburn Rugby Club bought his first place, a rather nice flat on Buncer Lane, and threw a " housewarming " in early Summer. When we turned up, he said " I've invited the older couple from upstairs, they can't complain then if it gets a bit louder later on " ... We went out into the garden , and who should be there but " Jack " Longstaff & his wife !  Instinctively, the three of us began rubbing our shoes on the back of our trousers !!

He was charm personified, especially to our respective lady-friends. Paul Heathcote's girlfriend, an especially pretty blonde, approached us from the kitchen with a drink for him, " Is this your Popsy ? " he enquired, and introduced himself with his olde-world manners, " Enchanted, young lady " etc. After a few minutes, he looked at her, and then at Paul, " Just a word to the wise, my dear .... you can do far better than this rascal !! " ...... 😁 

6 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

"Prod" said "I was knocking on the door of the school choir" in a singing test. Fortunately I was never called up. Imagine having to sing instead of play footy at lunch times? 

7 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Oh, hi Chris, I would never have known it was you if you hadn't have said.

Simon Leigh in case you hadn't noticed from the Brockhall thread!

   B****y Hell, didn't pick up on that, " Revidge ", hope you're keeping safe and well ...

   I'm usually one for looking forwards in life, not back, but after a few pints of " Hen Harrier " at Blackburn Rugby Club, I was talked into arranging a reunion of the 1982-83 Colts ( Under 19's ) in 2017, so tracked down a few ex-QEGS. Greg Starks ( Mollington Road ) is the Executive Head Chef for Warner Leisure Group, and hasn't touched a fag/pint for over 25 years ( to the surprise of those who remember him ), John Aspin is a Primary School Head in Bacup, Tim Rayner is a retired Dentist. Charlotte Hindle is a TV Producer, most recently on " Songs of Praise ", and Paul Heathcote has a 2nd Career as a " Sparkie ", after having done nearly 25 years in the Royal Marines ..

12 hours ago, darrenrover said:

Funny that, WE were unbeaten for 2 seasons (1978-80). Played Vale (9-0) and SMC, who were Lancashire Champions (5-0) from Blackburn....WE were different class pal and as I said, invincible!

!978-79  P21  W20  D1  L0  F113  A14

!979-80  P22  W18  D4  L0  F80  A17

David Bruton and Craig Mann ?

10 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I left (6th form) in 1982 as well and remember Dave Skidmore quite well, same year I think. The other names ring a bell too.

TJ " Prod " Longstaff passed away last year at 98, there was a 300+ post thread on " Up the Clarets " with reminiscences, stories etc from ex-QEGS of our vintage. Regrettably, the mods removed it, I think because of references to a couple of " Fred Talbot " like cases ... you'd have enjoyed it. I'm Chris Rawson, moderate scholar ( by QEGS standards of the time ), but enjoyed the Rugby .... Still in touch with Alastair Newman, Paul " Eggy " Heathcote, Nigel Atherton, Roger Verlander & one or two others .. Hope you're keeping well ...  

On 22/02/2021 at 21:33, RevidgeBlue said:

Great Post, didn't realise you were a fellow QEGS (very) old boy!. Sounds like you're about 3 years older than me and I left in 1982 so we probably would have been there at the same time.

My best friend also went to QEGS and  now lives in London and has been a financial controller for a big Company. His Dad was Indian and many years ago when we were pissed as farts we came up with the bright idea of having a holiday in India and pitching up on the V's doorstep to offer advice.

Needless to say once the hangovers kicked in the hare brained scheme was never mentioned again but yours is a sound idea. If you want any support or help just ask.

Claret in peace as ever ... I left QEGS in 1982, last year of the " Direct Grant " in-take, otherwise I'd never have gone there ...

Didn't need to be Poirot to work out who Herbie6590 was but intrigued by you .... were you Tim Rayner, John Aspin, Dave Skidmore's year ?

One for the Grey-Beards here .... Can anyone enlighten me on what actually happened before this game ? I've heard various stories, that Dougan led the players threatening not to play in a row over Bonus's or that he put in a transfer request the day before the final ...

Does anyone have a definitive answer ?

3 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

You carry on with the piss taking... a look at your forum says you lot are getting worried for the first time in a long while.

In all seriousness, it looks  a very even Championship this year, they'll probably suspend FFP, so your backers in India will be able to put funds in .... the relegated sides don't look particularly good, nor do the promoted ones. Of the bigger Clubs, Forest, Derby, Boro', QPR and Birmingham all have various issues ( mainly Financial ), Stoke are struggling and Sheffield Wednesday are starting at -12 .... If you finish above Swansea and Norwich, I think you've every chance .....

We, on the other hand, need to carry on as normal, tie some players down to extended deals, pick up wins against the lesser ranked teams and get a couple of eye-catching results such as our 0-2 win at Old Trafford, and the 1-1 at Anfield .... but I'd take 17th now if I was offered it !! Enjoy your evening, all ! 

I'd be ordering the Trophy  " Ribbons " and booking the open top bus now if I were you, ladies and gents !! 

4 hours ago, oldjamfan1 said:

And even better to see Burnley back in the 4th Division ?

I was waiting for that ! It does show t'Rovers in a play-off spot as well, can't believe I've been so generous .... 

8 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Shoot! as a kid, especially for their league ladders pull out you’d stick to your wall.

Didn’t miss a Four Four Two for years, but as I’ve got older I seem to care less about the actual sport on the pitch, but the wider game - support, finance, fan culture etc, so WSC is now my go to.

 

You can actually buy these again from a retro site on E-bay  .... It'll be good to see Barrow on one of those little tabs again !! 

13 minutes ago, BRFC4EVA said:

I'd prefer Brentford to go up out of the 4. Partially because they are well run and would be a huge threat next season, but also because it would be a new interesting club in the Prem. 

Also the other 3 are relatively recently ex Prem so still operating on parachute payments, so must be getting to the point of having to cut their cloth differently. Surely players like Ayew and Mitrovic aren't gonna have another year in the champ?

If Brentford go up, they will be the 50th Club to enjoy at least 1 season of Premier League Football !

Many moons ago in the mid 1990's, Danny Baker described the Championship ( League 1, then ) as being like the " Borgia's " ..... everyone killing each other off,  people coming back when you thought they died, suicides, knifing each other when they're about to take the throne  .......

He wasn't wrong then, and it's not changed !

In peace .. what's his salary ? I'm sure I read on here at one point it was £2,000 a week + Bonus ?

Can't be right surely ?

This is great news .... here's to a continued recovery !! Godspeed, my friend !!?