2 hours ago, roversinmyblood said:

Maddison has a release clause of £2.5M which the chairman considers cheap and with clubs willing to pay it, it is non negotiable. Although I don’t know what players are paid, my instinct is that you will need to at least double the salaries you are quoting. 

Granted I plucked all the above figures out of thin air but fundamentally i hope you understsnd my point. We could have £5m and £50kpw but TM/Waggott seem like the type to quibble over this stuff more than most.

I remember a time very recently when we were restricted to £10kpw per player and I cannot see how the likes of Bauer and Chapman deserve more than that. Madison has not played above league 1 and if he (or any potential Incoming player) is asking for anything near £30kpw then I support Rovers for not paying it. 

Afterall, one of Mowbrays main scripts this summer is about not upsetting the L1 team for last season by bringing players in on massive wages. Perhaps that's why we have re-upped half a dozen.

The hope is that it is us in for this Peterborough LW and it's just a haggle over fee/instalments and wages.

Once that £2.5m, 15k a week piece on the board moves into place, we will be able to look at the Chapman's and Bauers of our list with what budget we have remaining.

If we have say £3m remaining for transfer fees, and £30kpw for wages and know we can get Chapman for £400k at £8kpw and Bauer for £600k and 10kpw, it makes sense we haggle to try and get Madisson down to £2m and £12kpw meaning we can afford all 3 but are prioritising the main asset first incase we have to pay over our budget.

I realise that was extremely Football Manager but that's what I'm hoping... seems very TM also.

4 hours ago, JHRover said:

I think Mowbray is too 'principled' in what he does. I think he often strives for perfection when perfection isn't possible. This applies to everything he does - his signings, formations, etc. I think we'll have had the option to bring in countless players who would probably be good enough for this division but Mowbray has very set ideas in his head about what he wants. That's admirable but not really pragmatic for a club in our situation, which is becoming increasing desperate and it seems inevitable that he will end up having to take people who he perhaps didn't want to start with. 

That, 100%. How dare he wear a cap and have his shirt untucked...

Didnt Bradley Dack turned up to his first day of training with a sparkling red sequined backpack, date a "celebrity" and go out on the piss as much as possible... yet is still far and away our most prized asset?

C'mon Tony.

Not to start anything controversial with this next comment just simply a curiosity but what are the odds of Mowbray being first manager out of work this season (sack or walk)?

Who is that #10 for us playi... Oh wait.

Samuel looks okay wide right but nothing defensively. Looks like he is now no longer thought of as a striker. Lazy on that counter though.

Thought we had some nice passing but not enough up front; Liverpool looked pedestrian but still could and should have scored 3 despite us playing 10 behind the ball. 

Expect more ambition second half! Evans off for Nutall. Mowbray playing for a replay??

Just now, MarkBRFC said:

Thing is, we shouldn't really be scrapping around for loans at this stage of the window, we have another 6 weeks to worry about loans.

The permanent window closes in around 3 weeks, they are the signings (if indeed there is any) that we should be looking to get over the line.

Agree 100%

Deadline day: Premier League Club X signs Player Y for £50m pushing fringe first team player to surprise loan... whilst Blackburn have wasted their budget on Rekeem Harper, Doniel Henry and Martin Samuelson.

Just now, AdamRochina said:

Whos Tyler Boyd? Some randomer on facebook linked us with a move for him

Wide reciever for the Cincinnati Bengals. Would be an upgrade on Conway on the wing.

I do have hopes for Scott, but Bauer (or similar) is still a very important signing now as is loaning Wharton out to get more experience THIS season IMO.

Just as when we had Duffy and Hanley depart in the same summer... Mulgrew (1 year left) and Lenihan (prize asset #2) are no locks to be here in 12 months unless we do a double promotion ?. Dack likewise.

If we find ourselves in July 2019 with Downing, Wharton and Williams as our only CB options this place would (correctly) meltdown. 

Keep Wharton as cb#5 or cb#6 this season, so he is ready for next.

Question for someone with better knowledge of our U18 and U23 teams... who are (if any) the most likely to benefit from us not having any wingers right now? 

Any prospects? 

Why is there a spider crawling in the top left corner next to the lettering of Mulgrew?

Having a huge #10 on the front of the shirt might not go down too well with the league... I'm sure it's been approved though.

Could prove to be a masterstroke when the opposition don't know what our L1 and loan players look like and are defending corners ?

? from me. Even the lettering is wrong. Fingers crossed the away kit saves it.

Visual representation of the culmination of every TM interview since we beat Doncaster on April 24th.

So contract wise, going off comments here, we have the following players entering the last year of their deals:

Mulgrew, Whittingham, Caddis, Evans, Conway and Graham. Were Galdwin, Hart and Leutwiler only 2 years when signed? That's 9, anyone else?

That's one from "List A" we can cross off!! ?

Just now, Stuart said:

Not exactly a direct answer but possibly some interesting and surprisingly “successful” ex-loanees - in terms of their future careers if not necessarily honours.

Going back over the last 20 years...

Anthony Modeste - TJ Quanjian £26.1m (£4.1m Cologne, £2.7m Hoffenheim)

Florent Sinama-Pongolle - £9m Atletico Madrid (Huelva £3.6m)

Franco Di Santo - £5.4m to Schalke (£2.6m to Wigan)

Karim Rekik (who??) £4.5m Marseille (£2.25m Hertha Berlin)

Carlos Villanueva - £3.25m to Al-Shabab

Danny Simpson - £2.25m to Leicester (PL winner)

Eyal Bercovic £2.1m to Man City

Martin Andreson - £1.8m FK Brann

Mame Biram Diouf - £1.6m to Hannover 96

Shabani Nonda - £1.2m to Galatasaray

David Jones (Promoted with Bumley)

Colin Kazim Richard (Feyenoord, Celtic)

 

Some right names there. Don't forget Grzegorz Sandomierski and Cameron Stewart from that first season down.?

Stoke paid a fair whack for Mame Diouf too didn't they. Is he still there?

For what it's worth I quite liked Kazim Richards and felt it was a mistake not signing him up.

8 minutes ago, AJW said:

 A few weeks ago , not long after promotion actually somebody said something to me , which I have never posted because it was so preposterous at the time I didnt believe it myself and that was that Mowbray didn't think Smallwood was good enough for championship and was looking to replace him ....., fast forward and we've 2 midfielders signed ( ok they may or may not have been signed to go straight into the first 11) and now we have been linked to a 3rd in Morrison 

I don't think Smallwood is good enough for the Championship as a starter. Outside of a bottom 6 team.

First 4 months = ?... Then he got one booking away from the 2 game suspension and went seriously off the boil for me, he wasn't sprinting back either which was more concerning, he never rediscovered his form even after the deadline passed.

4-2-3-1, I'd start with Bennett and Davenport personally, Bennett is physically quicker, stronger, more of a goal threat (?) and I'd also say more committed than Smallwood. Davenport seems to have the quality to start, all things being said.

Smallwood's chant actually became satire, how often he actually gave the ball away. 

He deserves his place in the squad and on the bench as a bit part player... but he's not going to take us beyond survival level. But I certainly would keep him around.

All IMO.

I agree there is no rush on PL loans, let those teams do their business and then the better quality players will be available on deadline day and beyond throughout August.

Example springs to mind is we loan Jack Byrne too early as Man City knew he's miles away and then a matter of weeks later Huddersfield loan Aaron Mooy.

Bide our time on PL loans.

8 minutes ago, AAK said:

Nonda has done okay, now at Galatasaray, plays European football regularly etc.

Danny Simpson gone on to win the Premier League.

Jermaine Jones you could say carried on playing a a good level in germany and in a world cup.

Mame Diouf, carried on playing in Premier League, but now in Championship.

Michael Keane,  done regrettably well EDIT Sorry you said Keane

Good memory, I didn't think too hard about our loans back when we were a Premier League team. To this day I have no clue how Danny Simpson became a title winning RB.

What about Championship loans? Todd Kane, Doniel Henry, Jack Bryne. Certainly no Eyal Berkovic.

We did do well enough in League 1, so perhaps I should have a little extra faith in TM.

I just can't find myself getting too excited about young PL loans for a season.

Just racking my brain and how many players have we ever signed on loan (and NOT signed permanently) that have gone on to promising careers?

(Cariney, King, Rudy obvs don't count as they were made permanent, and players like Marcus Babbel etc were already established - even Santa Cruz and Bentley were garbage when they came back!)

I came up with Michael Keane... Any others?

20% of £20m (£4m) from the second sale of Josh King could make all the difference to our team.

Cairney is also no lock to stay at Fulham with NUFC and WHU linked for around the same £20m fee which we must have a % of (I think he will/should stay).

We probably even have a World Cup related bonus for Phil Jones.

Maybe TM is saving up the £88m needed for Cristiano Ronaldo?

58 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Did we come up against any standout target men in League 1 last season? Was it Plymouth who had a guy? 

Speaking of Plymouth, a player who always seemed to get the rave reviews (and also made L1 team of the season) was that lad Graham Carey. I confess to never seeing him play live, so expect to be shot down pretty fast here ?.

... quick check, he turns 30 at the end of this season so not as young as I presumed, and seems to have committed himself to another year at Argyle. Soz.

Don't panic, I won't be suggesting their 26 year old commanding Cameroonian centre back next! 

Lazar Markovic (surely not?), Chapman and Armstrong as options on the wings would certainly fix our lack of pace! 

Pull that off and then the Bauer and Gestede-esque signings and we can "praise the sun"!

14 hours ago, Pedro said:

Davenport showreel:

 

He looks class.

That video was more inspirational than watching Braveheart, 300 and Gladiator combined ?

He was listed in the top 35 "rest of the world" players on Fifa 18 apparently with and 87/100 rating, perhaps (Ince??) should have played him besides at Blyth Spartans away??

Carlos V is up there with Luca Toni in Brfcs legendary status. 

Just now, RoversClitheroe said:

Dunno why any of you want Travis or Tomlinson leaving look really good all of them. I'm more worried about the situation involving Rankin Costello, absolute class. Yes he's injured but last season before the injury I'd have given him a chance.

Wasn't it quoted somewhere that Davenport and Rankin-Costello are still best mates from school? They also play slightly different midfield positions?

Reading the last hour of this message board was quite amusing... 40 mins ago compared to the 4 year deal being announced.

Great signing for all involved. Makes sense for City, get a 'decent' fee (no clue) with probably a 25-35% sell on and most likely a buy back. 4 year deal, it's nice to be trending upwards and securing assets.

It allows Tomlinson or Travis a loan back to a top tier league 1 team.

Now how about Lenihan and some wingers...

Clue about a potential incoming "transfer"?

Just now, MarkBRFC said:

I don't think Mowbray will start the season with wingers, so I doubt there is any panic in his mind to get any wide players over the line at the moment.

Of course when we get stuffed in our first 2/3 games of the season because of his insistence at playing that horrible 3-5-2 formation, things will probably change and we'll look at getting in a couple on loan before the deadline.

That's also (unfortunately) my gut feeling. We have some "decent" fixtures in August too.