The sheer number of players being played out of position so far this season is ridiculous

Do we think TM has lost the players? This has the feeling of a team that doesn't want to play for their manager anymore. Defeat against a poor Boro team on Saturday and you wonder if something might happen

Sylla's at zulte waregem. Strange from sky that

Mulgrew would be even worse than Bell at LB. At least Bell can run, mind you that's his only strength. CM pairing of Johnson and Travis is arguably the only positive thing to come from the first game, however what happens when one or both of those two can't play due to injury/suspension? Huge drop in quality from whoever comes in. Agree on Nyambe, he isn't the complete right back people seem to be strangely suggesting he is. He basically cost us a couple of games at home last season due to his poor positional play. Though I'd still rather he played there than Bennett. Tough tough season ahead. Can't see us improving on 15th place...

I guess it's a positive that we're at least looking at CB's right?

I have doubts we could even make the top half. The team isn't stronger than last season, a season we finished 15th in. Even if those players were banging the goals in, Mulgrew would still be getting caught under the high ball and Bell would still be caught napping and we'd still lose games. Yes it's 1 game but we went for 2 months barely winning a game last season and the same problems are still evident. We barely created anything against Charlton, a very very poor team based on Saturday's viewing, so this new style of play that TM wants to implement seems just as slow and ponderous as I imagine many were expecting.

Personally I think he will go at the end of the season if we don't finish in the top half, be it him getting sacked or him walking. My concern though, after seeing Saturday and seeing him make the same mistakes that completely derailed our season last season, is that we might be at the very bottom end of the bottom half. Relegation could be a real possibility this season. The sheer amount of fans who saw the team he selected on Saturday and just knew it wasn't going to go well must surely speak for itself and suggest the man is on a downward trajectory. I've been a fan of his as a person throughout and he's done a lot of good for the club, but purely as a manager and a tactician he has always left a lot to be desired. I even remember back in League One when he was insistent on us changing our style of play to combat the other teams when surely it should have been us imposing ourselves on the opposition. Too negative. Too loyal to players who "aren't up to it" (his own words). Time to go before we get ourselves in real trouble.

Said exactly the same myself. It's like he's a second or two behind everyone else in his thought processes. Sign of a player who will never make it to the top

The sad thing is his days probably aren't numbered. The players are partly culpable but Mowbray cost us that game there. Making 2 subs when we were well on top and insisting on that God awful defence. But TM's pal is in charge so he's going nowhere.

"defensively we're fine"

To be fair in every championship season we have been

What's the obsession?? Genuine question. Can't say I watch Millwall regularly but as you say yourself he hasn't been linked with anyone so is he that good?? He's really tall, but so is Adarabioyo and yet people seem to be a bit negative on him already. Yet Cooper gets mentioned every day like he's the best defender in the league

I hope that's tongue in cheek and you're not comparing Wharton to de Ligt. Even in relative and potential terms Wharton isn't good enough. Looked way out of his depth in the league when he appeared. Lincoln were by far the best team in league two last season and they didn't want him after a couple of months, surely that's quite telling.

And yet big Tony thinks the current personnel have got this defending lark all tied up

I've tended to be keen to give Mowbray a chance but after this absolute nonsense of not getting a proper, experienced centre half in this window so far, and seemingly not too fussed about doing so, he's officially lost me. Mentally preparing myself for more absolute drubbings away from home

Good to see he knows how to save penalties, we've barely stopped a penalty going in since Friedel was here

Whoever we sign at CB in the next week or so it's still going to be Lenihan and Mulgrew starting against Charlton and I think that in itself is a scary thought...

Lure of being near London perhaps? Or working with a Spanish goalkeeping coach he's worked with before and knows well? Not everything is cut and dry and putting over the top pride in your own club aside, there are probably plenty of reasons why a player would. Doesn't have to mean there's a crisis, some people just want a change. It happens

Not sure where the idea of Nyambe being a good defender has come from here. The lads a pure athlete and is a decent recovery kind of defender purely because of his pace but he gets caught out of position every game and rarely stops crosses. I want to see him improve but I'm always a little nervous with him back there. Better than Bennett mind you

Got to say I didn't see any of this much promoted new style of play, unless that was to be slow, ineffective and leave huge pockets of space around the pitch. Rothwell has to start first game of the season, we look pedestrian without him

Ruddy is on wolves' pre season tour so doubt it's him signing

Wouldn't want both of those defenders, combined age of about 68. Add mulgrew in and it's dad's army at the back

I think it's a bit much to say Buckley offers more based on two 10/15 minute appearances. Looked very lightweight for me. A season on loan in League One would help him no end. I wouldn't feel comfortable with him starting games for us this season

Far too injury prone for me and after a decent start I found him to be pretty poor. Imagine he'd end up in Scotland or somewhere like that. Would rather have Williams as a back up CB than him