32 minutes ago, Theaxe15 said:

There's also being realistic and recognising when you would be wasting your time...

Not wasting our time at all. Put in a bid. Talk to the player and present our case. It is a priority position. He's available at a bargain price.

1 minute ago, Theaxe15 said:

You mean the one that's destined to sign for a Premier League team? And who was meant to go to AC Milan in January?

If you don't try, you don't get.

5 hours ago, Norbert Rassragr said:

A solid base is imperative, which means one experienced, good defender to go with Lehinen (I can never remember how to spell his name), a proper left back and a goalkeeper who is not some agency temp that is covering someone on maternity leave so to speak. It is not looking quite so secure right now, as we have no decent left back, no tough, commanding centre back and no goalkeeper with more than a couple of first team appearances for any first team.

 

There's a useful left back at Wigan with a £1.5m release clause. He's the sort of player we ought to be all over. We have need of a left back.We haven't even put a bid in.Pretty conclusive evidence that Mowbray has no money to spend on transfers, if you ask me.

@phili Coincidentally that £4m also covers the outstanding balance for Gallagher and the next tranche of Brereton,in my opinion. 80% of the wages will have been covered by the furlough scheme. It could have been spent to pay the outstanding deferred wages

50 minutes ago, OssyLad said:

Forest with the bigger budget than us? Come on lad, even if we got to the playoffs and ended up going up we’d of embarrassed ourselves in Prem. nowhere near good enough to be going up yet. 2 or 3 seasons yet atleast before we’ll even be challenging.

Look at Leeds and Sheff U how long did it take them to get out of league 1? Sunderland are struggling now as it is!! 
 

Wake up ?

Yes, Sunderland underline how just how important it was for us to come straight back up in automatic promotion. I'm aware that it took Leeds and Sheff Utd several seasons to get out of league 1. Sheff Utd got into the Premier league in two seasons.

There are a hundred million reasons to want to be in the premier league. Embarrassment hardly matters. The opportunity is there to strengthen the team.

Let's look at Mowbray's track record.His success stories. Dack and Armstrong. Smallwood for two seasons. Gallagher if not played out of position. He's brought Travis and JRC into the first team.Even if freebie Downing were to stay,it's not likely he'd be around in two to three years. There's no guarantee that Mowbray would be able to construct a promotion team that could stay in the premier league in 2-3 years.

I'm comparing finishes in the championship to illustrate progress, not who has more finance. One of the teams we played in that run of 15 games was  Wolves. Reports said we weren't even trying to win that match.Wolves now play in the premier league and tomorrow play in the Europa League quarter finals. An owner and a manager who both wanted to succeed. We have neither.

23 minutes ago, OssyLad said:

So league one he got us promoted, his second season we survived and then his 3rd season top half finish. Is that not progress?

League 1 in which we should never have been. Mowbray brought in to save us. He had 15 games and failed, on goal difference to Forest. This season Forest missed out on the play offs on goal difference. Now that's progress, though Forest won't have regarded it as such, since they'd been in the playoff positions fora lot of the season.We're supposed to tout 11th, having been 10th as the season was halted. Mowbray decided to play a whole new scheme after the restart.He threw away a great chance to get us into the playoffs, something he'd declared to be the minimum requirement at the beginning of the season.

Judging Mowbray is something you resolutely do not do.

15 minutes ago, 1864roverite said:

Richard, at no point did I question your post or views. In fact I probably agree with it, well most of it anyway. I wouldn’t expect TM to come out and publicly announce he knows his budget I think it’s a bit of an odd suggestion to suggest or expect him to. On the commercial side BrfC have always been incompetent even when we had the glory days of Premiership football. It is something that just cannot be gotten a grip of which is sad. The point about wheeling and dealing is even more of a relevance in this era due to cash flow issues and warnock aside, in the Championship there are a lot of managers who have little or no experience of the kind of dealing that will be required for this season and probably next season as well.

What makes it an odd suggestion to expect a manager who has publicly stated he doesn't know what his budget is to publicly state that he does know his budget? Why, if you're a selling club, would you deal with a club that doesn't know its budget? It's a waste of your time.

Just now, 1864roverite said:

I think the stakes caused by the pandemic have changed the face of football outside of the Premiership forever. There are so many factors, cash flow issues, uncertainties of crowds, no season tickets and no shirts on sale. TM is never going to reveal his hand and the cards he holds. All managers in our league will have to earn their corn by wheeling and dealing. Money buys are not going to be standard procedure whereas loans and freebies are. Even the big 3 who come down will be hamstrung by finance issues.

i am pretty certain Rovers will have their plans I do think it will take time to execute those plans.

Nothing you've just written is an answer to what I wrote.To state that you now know your budget is not to state your hand nor reveal the cards held.

Contrary to what you assert, most managers have had to earn their corn by wheeling and dealing. Loans cost money, too.  If the league gets their way, loans will disappear from the game. Freebies have always been a part of the game.

We're one of only 3 teams in the top two divisions not to have sold any season tickets. Why trumpet our way as the way of the future? For the second season running our shirts will not be available for fans to purchase before the season begins. Neither decision strikes me as a proper way to run a business.

3 minutes ago, JoeH said:

Baffling if that’s what we end up with given that Hilton is arguably the best keeper of the three ?

I could see him being sent out as one of the players we send on loan to Barrow.

@1864roveriteWhen your manager publicly states that he hasn't clarity on his budget, it is reasonable to expect an equally public statement that he now knows his budget. I happen to think, Mowbray knows who he wants to bring in and how much they'll cost.What he hasn't got, is the money, as shown by his recent statement that he's not 'buying time' at Blackburn Rovers. Does that mean he's prepared to walk,if he isn't backed? I don't know. It is, however, the first time whilst he's been a Rovers that he's said anything like it.

1 minute ago, JoeH said:

Can’t see an Under 18’s keeper being ahead of the two older players with more experience. Would be a very odd decision.

I think Fisher is ahead of Hilton within the clubs opinion, but I agree with some other posters sentiments that Hilton is the better keeper of the two.

No way the lad three years younger gets game time ahead of them though.

Eastham and Fisher would playing in the first team, not U23s.

A couple of LT articles @chaddyrovers

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Fisher is 22 years old and has how many 1st games including loan spells? 6 EFL trophy games. Look at other keepers who go out on loan and play. Whether is Swansea Benda playing league 2 football, or Walton here or Sanchez at Rochdale. I would sell Fisher this summer. 

Hilton needs to be loan out and get some 1st team football? 

Eastham could be the under 23's keeper this coming season IMO

According to the Lancashire Telegraph,Eastham was told he'd feature for the first team this season and Fisher's been told he can challenge for the starting keeper spot. That leaves Hilton as the U23 keeper.

Mowbray has said goalkeeper is his top priority, but he has yet to say the he now knows his budget. There's no sense of urgency. This summer, as last, the club is content to offer a player a new contract and wait for his response.

I wouldn't rate the Pears story as serious. Gibson's on record as saying negotiating with Venkys was his worst experience. Warnock could say something similar. The reporter thought Walton was impressive. For me, the Story's really about Warnock looking for an experienced keeper. We've already got three keepers Pears' age.

4 minutes ago, tomphil said:

So if Mulgrew is on 12 grand per week here ( it's probably more ) then they can only pay 1.5pwk. The rest is allowed to be covered in a loan fee.

A) Already clubs finding loopholes

B ) How do Pompey come up with over half a million quid in one go for a 34 year old ?  And surely if that's in installments it's just like paying him directly anyway ?

Chip paper !

Pompey's owner, Michael Eisner is a billionaire.

Just now, Mike E said:

Probably more along the lines of 'You're our first choice', but we just happen to be looking at loans if we can't get him. Sensible.

Yes, I'd rather pay £1m to get the player we want than miss out, regardless who the owners are.

 

You've made your position clear. I disagree with you. Let's leave it here and see what unfolds.

Just now, Jlee1984 said:

Because sometime you have to bite the bullet to get the player you want, If we wait we stand no chance 

Project Fear rears its ugly head.

Just now, Mike E said:

To get the player, rather than risk someone else coming in with peanuts and pocket lint.

So you approve of paying money in the pockets of dodgy owners, do you? How's the conversation gone with Dillon? We like you, but we''re talking with half a dozen others, in case we don't like you as much as we thought we did. You'll have to fight for your place, is that okay?

Player will still be there after an administrator comes in.

Charlton have no owner. Unless the appeal is successful, administration Why would anyone offer Charlton anything for anyone until the ownership or administration is known?

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

haven't they been bidding for Dean Ramsdale at Bournemouth? 

Apparently had it turneddown.Don't seem tobe interested in going higher.

If Sheff Utd don't get Henderson back on loan, they'll be in for Iversen as the best of the bunch of keepers up for loaning out.

Just now, Sparks Rover said:

If he was a youth product and he wasn't.   The clause isn't there

 

King's played161 league matches for Bournemouth and has many appearances for Norway.We should have been getting money based off that, were there a clause. There's been nothing in the local press about  any payments.

3 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

Yeah, I really like Marshall too. There’s an opportunity to get him on a free. But think he might go to a PL team to be their no.2

Would be a shame.

Iversen is VERY highly rated. Rotherham want him back but just signed a bumper deal with Leicester and they can’t afford him.

We've no money for loans and couldn't afford the wages.It would be far better ,if we stopped this and said we had no money and stop embarrassing the Blackburn Rovers name.

1 hour ago, Theaxe15 said:

So you want him to sign some players then go on holiday while he should be taking pre season training? 

Yes, Johnson can take pre-season training.

Since you asked so nicely:

The activity filing for Blackburn Rovers Football and Athletic for Barclays instigating liquidation proceedings

The activity filing for VLL shortly thereafter showing an influx of £33m.

The figure for the money owed to Barclays was widely quoted at the time. Your figures now clarify why Venkys paid off only 4.1m to the bank, because that was what they thought was owed. It would appear that the accounts do not provide the full story.

overdraft: 23.1m on takeover. Reduced to 19m soon after. The promise had been to pay it all off on takeover. It remained on our books, which were then moved to India after Barclays ceased to be our bankers. I think the fact the overdraft was being rapidly run up finally pushed Barclays into taking the action that they did. We still needed cashflow, so Samba was sold whilst the new overdraft facility was set up with SBOI, still secured against the club..

Just now, tomphil said:

Vs must have SBOI in their pockets and vice versa, they clearly have a very good working relationship and line of credit.

The reason they switched was Barclays were about to take hold of the clubs affairs because of an outstanding 10 million they were demanding. 

Soon after Chris Samaba disappeared to Russia in an out of window transfer for around that amount.......

VLL had an influx of £33m to deal with the debt owed Barclays.Barclays had instigated liquidation proceedings. I've never seen a figure as low as £10m quoted. The most common figure I've seen quoted is £19m, but it was a private transaction. Venkys took us private from being a publicly quoted company. Samba did go soon after, but we still needed financing.