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Morecambe deserved their victory tonight. Their manager brought on two subs at half-time, switched his formation, and caused us no end of problems. Mowbray again tried three at the back and once again it failed - just like every other time he's tried it.
This was like so many of last seasons games - slow build-up, passing sideways, backwards and then a long punt upfield to nobody in particular.
We started brightly but quickly ran out of steam - which is a worry in itself. We carried little or no threat going forward with the Chilean version of Brereton being replaced by the usual Bambi version who struggled to keep on his feet and continually gave the ball away.
Without Armstrong's goals I really do fear for us this season. It's certainly going to be a long hard winter watching this lot.
10 minutes ago, LDRover said:I take it you're not convinced by Pickering, Parson?
Far from convinced. From the games I've seen thus far - admittedly only pre-season and the two games this week, he looks a slightly slower version of Bell. I thought he was awful tonight and caught out of position far too often. Going forward he seems to offer very little and his crossing seems just as erratic as Bell.
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40 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:
Lancashire Senior Cup 5th Dec 1967.
Rovers 1 - Morecambe 2
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Blacklaw
Coxon, Clayton ( sub Sharples ), Coddington, Wilson
Ferguson, Rogers, Hole, Connelly
Darling, Gilliver
Scorer - Ferguson pen
Att 1,600
I’d suggest that was a worse defeat than tonight’s.
I remember that game Tyrone. At that time First and Second division clubs fielded their second string and Third and Fourth Division clubs fielded their first team. On the back of a defeat, Quigley selected the First team - partly to build up a bit of confidence - and they crashed to a defeat. Got to say that was a far superior side than the one we have at present. What would I give for that midfield - plus a proper left-back who could tackle and defend!
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8 hours ago, jim mk2 said:
Just seen this..... Memories from more than 50 years ago are fading but I remember him as a reserve to Blacklaw. I'm surprised he was our No 1 in 1966-67 which wasn't a bad season as we were near the top most of the time. I can only say our defence must have been good!
I remember standing in the shed behind the bowler's arm at East Lancs CC. One of the wags shouted as the EL wicketkeeper dived and missed a ball down the leg side: "have you been wtaching Barton?".
It was funny at the time
My memory of Barton was that even when having a good game, he was always likely to make the most horrendous and costly error. He went from an ever-present in 66-67, when we finished fourth and enjoyed a decent season, to becoming the regular back-up to Adam Blacklaw, the old Burnley favourite, the following season.
Not the tallest, to say the least, and somewhat portly in build he nonetheless carved out a career that lasted over a decade with Preston North End and ourselves but was mostly spent playing in the Central League.
Happy memories of a time when supporting Rovers seemed so much more enjoyable than today.
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11 hours ago, Waggy76 said:
Does he ever attend games ???
I don't think , I would recognise him if I saw him....
He attends every game - home and away - as one would expect him to do. Usually at Leyland for all Under-23 games.
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17 minutes ago, JHRover said:
- Rumours that no programmes are to be produced for the first time in what, a century? Only club in the Championship not bothering?
Some clubs didn't produce one last season in the Championship and I believe that there are a number not producing them this season.
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Personally, I'd rather go with Magloire or Carter in a back-four, alongside Lenihan, and forget about Ayala. Yesterday they both looked uncomfortable in Mowbray's attempts at a back five. Ever since he came Mowbray has tried the three centre-back option and can't get it to work with the players we have - or perhaps it's a case of the players not understanding what he wants. Whatever the reason, Mowbray's overcomplicated systems tend to highlight the weaknesses in a player rather than try to play to their strengths.
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On 30/07/2021 at 23:10, Herbie6590 said:
Wisdom of the crowds type thing…what do we predict for the following…?
1. Will Steve Waggott still be at Rovers on 1/7/22 ? If no, date of departure.2. Will Tony Mowbray still be manager on 1/2/22 ? If no, date of departure.
3. Rovers Player of the Season 21/22 ?
4. Where will Rovers finish the season ?
5. Who will be championship winners ?
Reply to this with your predictions & we’ll assess the consensus…👍🏻1. Will leave in the summer of 2022 if Mowbray goes
2. Yes. Will be here until his contract runs out.
3. Kaminski - he'll be the one with most to do during the season.
4. 4th from bottom would be great but I fear it will be below that unless some serious signings are made.
5. One of the three who were relegated last season.
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I thought we were awful today. The back five just didn't work with Carter and Magloire looking lost at times. Magloire seemed to be asked to step into midfield for some reason and then got caught out. The wing back system didn't work at all with both full-backs having their hands full against a lively Bolton attack.
Early days but Pickering strikes me as one who enjoys going forward but isn't so hot when it comes to defending and got a bit of a chasing at times today. Hopefully, it's just teething problems as he gets to know the players around him.
I know Travis has been ill and lost weight but he looked anything but fit and Davenport really struggled. Again, the system didn't work as we were overwhelmed and outgunned in midfield.
A week away from the start of the League season and we looked a disorganised mess for much of this game. I can't remember ever going into a new season with such a feeling of dread with regard to the outcome.
I was impressed with Bolton and former Rover Alex Baptiste seems just the sort of defender we need - experienced, calm under pressure and one who won every ball he went for. Pity our manager doesn't do proper defenders.
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17 minutes ago, arbitro said:I don't think Ayala can play in a three. Mowbray saw similar deficiencies in Ward and had to play a deeper back four to accommodate his lack of pace and turning ability as he was worried about forwards running in behind.
To be honest I would prefer to see Magloire and Carter being given opportunities this season instead of Ayala.
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13 hours ago, unsall said:Think everyone knows Venkys have been disastrous especially the early days, better now than the Anderson/Shebby days but painful to communicate and get things done. But honestly you’d think we are bottom of the div2, people have short memories re owners, apart from Jack the owners/directors have never speculated to accumulate.
The amount of times back in the 60s we have been hovering around the top of div 1 and then bang, sell, sell.Top of the league in 64 in Feb sold Fred Pic, then it was Mike England, Keith Newton and so on, so crap owners is nothing new, just that every supporter has their own views, I still get excited at the start of every season regardless of the kit late, signings late, but unfortunately most aren’t like me and a bit depressing on here with constant criticism, my motto support thick/ thin, good times and bad times.
Mate heard Duncan Mckenzie talking recently said Rovers sold him for a few quid and then we missed out of promotion by 1 goal, it’s always gone on at good old Rovers, anyway always the optimist COYB😀I watched that 64-65 team and yes it was a cracking side - one of the best I've seen at Ewood. But Pickering wanted away due to the wage situation at Ewood. Local businessmen who had limited finances were suddenly thrust into a situation were it was impossible to compete with the big city clubs in terms of wages.
The likes of Bill Bancroft and Bill Fox did a great job - often under appreciated at the time I admit - to keep us competitive on little or no money. John Williams and Tom Finn ran the club superbly on limited finances compared with other Premier League clubs.
The owners made mistakes when they first got involved with the club and whilst one could understand initial mistakes the fact that ten years later the club continues its downward spiral suggests that they still haven't a clue how to run a football club. Throwing £20 million a year at it and not coming close to getting anywhere near the play-offs, let alone promotion, is not a sign of good ownership it's a sign of complete incompetence.
After 60 years of supporting this club I feel totally despondent about the future of this club. I've renewed my season ticket more out of habit than anything else. For the first time in more years than I care to remember I will not spend money renewing my away travel season ticket - partly due to Covid and partly due to the mind-numbing football that we play.
Our squad this season is weaker than last and frankly if we finish fourth from bottom I will view that as an excellent outcome.
As many on here will tell you, I've been one that has been prepared to give the owners time to get it right but, sadly, I've come to the conclusion that they will never get it right because they just aren't interested in the club.
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6 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:
Venus is another Mowbray appointment - all roads lead back to Mowbray sadly.
At the end of the day all roads lead back to Venkys just have they have for the past decade. Every decision they have made has taken us further and further away from where we want and need to be. If the owners were unhappy with Mowbray they would get rid of him. Clearly, as he is still here they are content for him to continue.
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2 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:
What an absolute shit show.
Having to be bailed out by a non League side. We're meant to be a professional Club in the second tier of English football.
So:
Extortionate match day prices
Season ticket prices raised during a pandemic
The Brockhall fiasco
New pitch promised which never came to fruition
Edit: Young fans excluded from a Club mural
No kit to play in
The list of fiascos gets longer and longer.
Come on Venky's - sort this rabble down at Ewood out!
Please!
Why are they going to sort it out now Rev? It's been ten years and counting. The names change from time to time - Shebby, Hunt, Senior, Shaw etc/ Kean, Berg, Appleton, Coyle - but club continues it's never ending downward spiral. To change things they have to be interested and that's something they haven't shown since they bought the club.
As for the today the main plus for me was being able to go to a football game with friends and enjoy a social occasion. As for the game I thought Barnes and Carter looked good at the back, whilst Butterworth and McBride showed promise up front. The predictable was Johnson and Vale coming off injured.
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2 hours ago, JHRover said:
Preston have just announced that a negative lateral flow test will be required.
I've heard that a negative lateral flow test is required for Fylde on Saturday.
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7 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:Of course there is otherwise what the point in a season getting another 25 million pounds in debt if we aren't going to promotion?
After ten years of their ownership we are now more of a League One set-up than Premier League. One might have thought that at some point during the last decade they might have asked themselves why the club has never been near the top six let alone challenging for promotion. One would have thought they might have asked themselves 'what is it that we are getting wrong and how can we change things for the better.' Sadly, we don't seem to have reached that stage and next season will be more of the same and although I've renewed my season ticket, I'll take fourth from bottom now as a result!
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Clicked the link but its just the old site that comes up.
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17 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:
Don't understand your post Parson, are you claiming the flak he is getting is unjustified, therefore he is doing a good job shielding the owners from it?
Edit: Even if that's not exactly what you meant, get in a really good manager and a half decent CEO and we'll do a lot better than with Mowbray and Waggott irrespective of the owners.
I thought you would also be pragmatic enough to realise that whilst we are losing the thick end of £20m p.a. having owners who are seemingly wealthy enough to cover it without batting an eyelid does have its advantages albeit we are where we are due to their poor decision making in the past.
We are where we are and can't change what has happened in the past, that doesn't mean we have to be happy with it though and we can only try and influence things going forward.
My point Rev, is that they are still making the same mistakes as they did ten years ago. They may well stump up another £20m p.a. for the next ten years and we will be no nearer the Premier League than we are today. They've been changing managers and CEO's for a decade and we are still light years away from where the club was when they bought it.
Yes we need change at every level but that isn't going to happen until those at the top - in India - start to get their decision making right and from what I can see there is no sign of that happening.
PS - Hope you and the family are keeping well during these difficult times.
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58 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:
Not too dissimilar a situation to last season. A proper CEO would keep fans engaged. Last season it looked probable we weren't going to be able to attend and the Club needed a membership scheme at a nominal fee with some sort of gift, benefit or reward attached to keep people engaged signed up and on board. We could always have upgraded the membership to a ticket had the time arose. Instead we inexplicably waited until it looked like we DEFINITELY wouldn't be able to attend and then put prices up by up to 25% thereby reducing the season ticket base from just short of 10 k to a paltry 2.5k.
This season it looks likely we will be let back in and it looks unlikely the demand for ST'S will massively out strip supply even at a quarter capacity. No harm whatsoever in putting them on sale on a first come first served basis. If the Government do a bottle job yet again and things go tits up on the relaxation of restrictions front it shouldn't be too onerous a task to decide what concessions people who have already bought season tickets should have.
Waggott seriously worries me. If you wanted to plant a mole in the Club to deliberately get every decision wrong, run the Club completely into the ground and ultimately take it into administration you couldn't be doing a better job.
Which is why the problem remains with the people who appointed Waggott in the first place and who are happy for him and Mowbray etc to continue in position. No wonder the owners are happy to keep them in position to attract all the flak and take it off them. If the owners didn't like the job he was doing they could remove him - in the same way they've done with other administrators they've employed. Clearly they must be happy with the way things are going or they would act.
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33 minutes ago, 47er said:
Douglas,Clayton,Newton,Pickering and England---that was a superb achievement.
Agree. You can't compare the present crop with these players. I'm just glad I was able to see all of them performing for Rovers.
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52 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:
Wake up Gav, why do you think we we training on an already knackered pitch in the middle of winter in atrocious conditions?
Of course Mowbray was instrumental in it just as much as the other two.
They tried (and failed) to pull off the same sort of scam at Coventry as well. You can't pin that on Venky's.
I'm sorry Rev but I simply don't believe that the owners were not involved in the attempt to sell the training ground. It couldn't be sold without their approval or knowledge. It's fantasy to believe otherwise imo.
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1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:Good grief, we are where we are at this point in our history because we've had a terrible manager who can't hack it in the Championship for the last three years!
The local media have become a major part of the problem. Mowbray could come out and say the earth was flat and instead of challenging it and saying it was rubbish that comment would probably get spun something like "The intuitive Rovers boss has taken a bold and alternative view on the shape of the world in order to try and get an edge on his rivals."
To be honest Rev we are this point in our history because our owners can't hack how to run a football club. They have been here ten years and still haven't a clue how football works or how a football club is run.
If the manager remains it's because the owners are happy with him to remain. When they are not they will appoint another who will operate within the boundaries that they set.
Since relegation from the Premier League we have had a variety of managers and none have been able to get us anywhere near the play-offs - something that Don Mackay was able to do on next to no budget whilst Bob Saxton had us at the top end with no money. The common dominator with regard to ten years of failure remains the owners.
Sadly, Blackburn Rovers are just another example of how football has evolved over the past twenty years or so. So many clubs are now just one part of a portfolio of billionaires who operate on a global stage. The football that I first grew in love with sixty years ago has gone forever at the professional level. I suspect Accrington Stanley is the closest I can get to it in this area.
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I must admit that my decision, like many of my generation I suspect, will be based on how safe I feel with regard to Covid-19 and what arrangements are in place with regard to what happens if grounds are closed again. There are so many unknowns with regard to next season with regard to social distancing, lateral flow tests, etc. that I would need far more clarity before making a decision. I certainly don't see my away travel season ticket being something that is going to be renewed as I don't believe away fans will be allowed in grounds during the first half of next season.
The past twelve months away from football has totally changed my attitude to the game in so many ways. From going to two or three live games every week to none was a shock to the system. However, you realise that it's the social side that you miss and not always the 90 minutes of dross that is put in front of you.
Over the sixty years I've followed Rovers, the manager, players or staff has never come into my thinking with regard to renewing a season ticket. Rovers has been my club, the club that generations of my family have supported that my friends all support. Turning away from it would have been unthinkable to me - now not so much.
When I look at what is happening in India at the moment, what has happened throughout the world during the past twelve months, you realise that football really isn't that important in the scheme of things. It's why I can no longer get really worked up about the shortcomings of the manager. Yes he's reached the end of the line but then I think Venky's must surely have more important things to address with their wealth in India rather than worrying about where we finish in the Championship.
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2 hours ago, Stuart said:
Is this going to be discussed on two threads then?
Nothing in that story makes sense.
Coventry have just confirmed on their website that they have been placed under a transfer embargo. It appears that Coventry took up the Government's offer of file company accounts late during the pandemic. However, as the EFL rules don't permit it they have been placed under a transfer embargo. Another example of the EFL not being fit for purpose.
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Must admit that I enjoyed that game. Two sides playing some decent stuff. Norwich have a touch of quality about them that the majority at this level lack and no surprise that they will return to the top flight at the first time of asking.
I thought we played some decent stuff and defensively we looked better with the two centre-backs and Evans in front of them forming a good defensive platform. Kaminski also looked the part when called upon.
Rothwell was the driving force in midfield but we lack that spark in and around the final third.
Taking the match on its own it was an enjoyable affair but in the context of the season it shows just how much work there is to do before we can be challenging the likes of Norwich week in and week out.
So many big decisions need to be made - starting with the owners with regard to the manager and then with regard to the major rebuilding required to replace loan players and those out of contract and departing. Sadly, I don't think we'll get any positive decisions from the owners anytime soon - and that, at the end of the day, is the major problem the club faces - the lack of decision making on the part of the owners. I fully expect us to drift into the summer before any real decisions are taken.
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12 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:
Who knows these days. If it's just essential staff what do you need so many stewards for? No fans. And why are Dalglish and Ferguson for example attending games in director boxes if it's just essential staff?
Get the fans forum to ask Waggott the question?
Club directors are allowed to attend and they are both directors of some description.
v Morecambe (h) 10/08/21
in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
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I suppose you weren't at all bothered when we beat Spurs and won this Cup under Souness. Last night wasn't the most embarrassing defeat that I've seen in this competition - that would still be getting thrashed at Ewood by Ken Furphy's Workington. Nonetheless, if we can't beat Morecambe at this stage and the awful performances of so called key players like Brereton and Pickering etc. causes me huge concern. The fact our manager was completely out thought by a guy who has only been in charge of Morecambe for a matter of weeks is another concern.
At the end of the day any club should be looking to make progress in cup competitions if only from a financial point of view. To be just 'concentrating on the League' in the second week of August is so dispiriting. Where is the ambition? Where is the dare to dream attitude? Sadly, a decade of Venky's tenure seems to have destroyed all of that and now it's all about survival - not just as a Championship club but as an actual football club.