I can easily see it being an extremely nervous performance and 1-1 draw.

Phew!

I'd even celebrate that the same ways as a 7-0 thumping.

We need to up our reputation in Euro competitions

Its on British Eurosport

Hmm.

I live in Norway, and get Eurosport and Eurosport 2. Does anyone know if any of these channels will show the game?

i think ferguson and pardew are well good outside bets.

ferguson is getting on abit, losing his marbles and the glazers will be demanding success this season, he may walk rather than be shown the door if he has a bad start. this could also be bad for us.

pardew even though he has turned the tide and now has most of the crowd backing after a successful season last year, small majorities are still against him and a bad start will see the boo boys out at upton park again.

Actually, the sooner RFW leaves Utd, the better.

As of yet I don't thing MH is a big enough _name_ for the Glazers yet, meaning they'd most likey go after a bigger manager-name.

I am though fuly aware that MH most likely will end ut at Old Trafford at some point

How bad are they the fact they need to be password protected?

PG-13?

NC-17?

R?

Unrated?

XXX?

English players = inflated value

Go figure

We need to start a proper search for a first team keeper, Peter Enckleman, as good as he is, does not inspire confidence when he is between the sticks!

Brown is young for a keeper and have been impressing the staff, as far as I can gather.

With a due sense of trepidation and dread...what should I call her?

I was going to make a joke, but couldn't come up with anything that wouldn't be distasteful or disrespecting, so i gave up....

My guess is that we'll se a punishment similat to tchockys guess.

Thats exactly the point. The fact that you are referring to the fans as "middle-men" outside the the "A to B" route is removing the fans.

The middle-man is B - the employers being A and end beneficiaries being C. Without B, the path from A to C is non-existent. Without B, the money remains with A and never finds its way to C.

And without A there is nothing that can go to C... This is a circle

To get the money from the employers to the clubs it passes through the fans, true. I've never negated that. They are a middleman between the emloyers and the club so to say. This is the fans contributing.

In the Sky situation Sky is the middleman between the subscribers (fans) and the clubs. The money route to the fans are the same in this case. Yet in this case it i somehow "correct" to negate the Sky middleman...

English is not my native language, but I don't believe there shold be any problems deciphering what I wrote.

No, the employer pays the fan for services rendered - the fan from there chooses to spend some of their money on following football. You can't just remove the fan from the equation - without the fan the employers money would never have been diverted in that direction. Equally, without the fans work ethic, the money would not have appeared in the first place.

If anything, the fan plays a bigger role in this than is being credited.

Why do you think I'm taking the fan out of the equation? I'm not

I'm just saying that on the moneys way to the players it passes through several middle men, the fans are one. Some people are removing other middle men, like Sky. I'm just saying that remomig sky and giving the fans credit for suppling that money is like the example I made in my previous post.

The money needs the middlemen to get from A to B.

Players - Club - Sky etc - fans - employers - customers - and so on and so on

The above is a simplification, but I hope it illustrates my point.

And for the last time

I'M NOT REMOVING THE FANS

How is it a fallacious argument? If sky wasn't selling subscriptions on the back of having football, they wouldn't be paying so much for the rights. Media companies don't pay big bucks for rights because they want to give away their money.

Saying the fans don't pay Dunn's wages is the fallacious argument. The whole "business" of football is driven by the fans. If no one were watching sky or attending the matches, he'd be lucky to get 100 a month to play a game.

And the fans wouldn't have money to pour into football if they didn't have jobs, hence the fans' employers pay Dunns (and other footballers') wages. Just now, I to one step furhter down the trail. More steps could be taken, all the way round the circle.

Not going to agree with that I'm afraid. Firstly, the fans are always key to sports and finances. Secondly, the trickle down effect from rich to poor when looking at it even on an individual sense is usually so small it isn't even worth looking at. David Dunn's contribution to the local economy (unless you are thinking of things like morale) is minimal; the contribution of the local population to David Dunn's finances is huge.

I think you've misunderstood me. I'm not playing down the fans contribution.

What I'm trying to illustrate is that Sky-money is Sky-money, not fan-money. I'm saying that arguing that the Sky money is fan money becouse sky sells to fans is a fallacious argument. Cause if you look at where the money comes from, i.e. follow the money trail, you'll end up going in a circle.

Anyways, this is way off topic

Circle? So fans get their money from David Dunn?

Eventually, yes

Fans get their money from their employers which get their money from customers (like DD) who get their money from their employers that get their money from their customers (like the fans). This is the short route, but it is in teality much much longer

That's stupid logic. How do you think Sky gets the money to pay his wages? How do you think the Prem gets prize money? If there were no fans, they would have no subscription/advertising/sponsorship money to give out. It's not like Sky and the FA are charitable organizations who just give the money away...

And where do the fans get their money?

That "money trail" goes in a pretty big circle....

OK, the bigger vultures are Real, Barca, Arsenal, Mancs, Chelsea, Liverpool and Bayern.

Do those seven have the vacancies to take Juve's 15 man first team squad? No, I don't think so either.

Then there is AC's squad up for grabs- are the seven big vultures taking four super-paid super-ego'd players each? No

Outside of those seven clubs, Rovers can broadly hold their own in terms of transfer attractiveness. That's why we are linked to the AC full back (makes a change to the Neill to AC stories anyway).

Then again, I think only Juve will become victims of a mass exodus. The other teams look to, in worst case, to be relegated to Serie B, meaning 1 year out of the top flight. The clubs may simply offer their players a cash bonus to stick it out for that year.

JFH wont be joining Celtic. His agent is now going to talk to three Prem clubs.

Can't see rovers being one of those though.

I hope you are right. JFH is past it and just looking for a final payday.

Even if Jeffers fails, I wouldn't excactly call it a "bum signing" by MH.

It's a gamble, and we all know it, after all he joins on a bosman. It's not like MH broke the bank for this one....

I fear you are correct krislu

less, i think they were hoping to use the money for him to buy bellers.

Or, they now need a new sriker more than before, thus.....

bad luck for the lad . it has just said hes snapped his shin same as before

It was his right leg this time. Against Rovers he snapped his left shin.

Whats the odds of him coming back this time? Can't be good.

It's a shame really he was a good player, despite his poor stay at Liverpool. Alway sad to see such possibly career ending injuries.

Henry going on air and stating that referee should have worn a barca shirt... oh dear oh dear.

Isn't this actually a much worse statement than what our Admiral got dragged in front of a FA hearing for?

I was wondering that too.

Well actually I was wondering when they'd go on sale here in Norway, but I suppose they have to be released in the UK first.

Any release dates? Lee?

Bing: that Al Pacino speech was amazing matched with the video, summed it up to a tee. I have just downloaded it! 

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From Rovers World?

Any other way of getting it?

For you non-norwegian speaking people:

Thinks Berg is on par with Hiddink

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HITTING IT OFF: Australian Ahmad Elrich thinks Henning Berg will be managing/coaching a big european club in a few years time - rating him at the same level as Guus Hiddink.

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MERITED: Guus Hiddink have enjoyed sucsess at both club level and international level.

Atricle:

- Henning's got balls, says Fulham loanee Elrich.

Henning Bergs enormous will to win has made him one of the Tippeligas best managers/coaches in record time. He lead FC Lyn  to a strong third  place  in his debut season as a Tippeliga coach, and his goal this season is to go all the way.

There is reason to take this seriously - Berg is a man who usually reaches his goals.

Lyns loanee-hero from the 2-1-victory over city rivals Vålerenga, Ahmad Elrich, thinks the Lyn coach is just getting startet with what looks to be a major carrier as a coach.

- Henning has a great future. He has the potential to be a fantastic manager. "I think it is just a matter of a few yeas until he is coaching a major big european club." says Elrich to Dagbladet.no.

Elrich is an Australian international, thus having trained under one of the worlds most respected coaches, Guus Hiddink. Elich thinks the merited dutchman ha noting on Berg.

- I've been coached by a number of talented coaches, like Hiddink. And Henning is ut there with him. Henning knows what he is talking about and is a fantasitc motivator. He gets the best out of every player, and makes it a joy to attend training sessions, is the verdict form Elrich.

The praise doesn't stop there though:

- Just look at what he has done with Lyn. The team crawling with young players, and he is not afraid to utilise them. Henning's got balls, says Elrich.

Confronted with the praise form Elrich, Berg similes dismissivly:

- It's flattering to hear, of course, is all he'll say on the matter.

Phew,

A good shout, but if MH leaves this summer (which i doubt he will) I think it's too soon to bring in Berg. He needs to show a bit more to prove he's ready for a PL managerial post.